Do you think there will ever be another war in Europe?

Jedan01 · 11-20-2009, 05:38 PM

With the current trend in Europe, I suspect that most of the continent will be a part of the EU and NATO by 2020, sans Russia and maybe a couple of other Eastern European nations. The Balkans have been relatively stable for 10 years and really can't break up any further.

The only wars I could realistically foresee is a resurgence of the conflict in Moldova, because that hasn't really been resolved, and perhaps conflict in the heavily-Albanian regions of Macedonia. Other than that, I can't think of anything, unless Russia decides to go apesh!t on the rest of Europe one day

thepointman · 11-20-2009, 05:44 PM

Depends, with the current brain drain in the US fleeing to Canada/Europe leaving Republicans/Christian Fundamentalists to strengthen in the US it is possible that in 50 years down the road you might see the US get another despotic theocrat like Bush trying to attack Europe for resources (in the name of Jesus) and because they "hate" our freedoms (by then the US will look downright Orwellian where any dissent is unpatriotic and liberal -- oh, liberal will be redefined as being a bad word instead of a neutral political term). So yeah, Europe will have to fight back.

stateless · 11-20-2009, 05:49 PM

'ever' is a long, long time. So yes.

Jedan01 · 11-20-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

Depends, with the current brain drain in the US fleeing to Canada/Europe leaving Republicans/Christian Fundamentalists to strengthen in the US it is possible that in 50 years down the road you might see the US get another despotic theocrat like Bush trying to attack Europe for resources (in the name of Jesus) and because they "hate" our freedoms (by then the US will look downright Orwellian where any dissent is unpatriotic and liberal -- oh, liberal will be redefined as being a bad word instead of a neutral political term). So yeah, Europe will have to fight back.

Wow, you have no grasp of politics, history, or military strategy

Spend less time on conspiracy sites. I'm not Republican or right-wing Christian, and I'm not going fcking anywhere

Beatitude · 11-20-2009, 05:54 PM

WWI + WW2 basically culture-shocked the entire continent into hyper-passiveness, though Balkans remains somewhat like the old Europe. Conventional warfare is an extinct animal for nuclear nations. The only wars that go on anymore are between nations that don't have nukes, or between a nation with nukes and a nation without them.

bookishowl · 11-20-2009, 07:30 PM

i can see a war break out when the UK tries to leave the EU. serious.

neonhypoxia · 11-20-2009, 07:44 PM

I could see another Balkans war or one between Greece and Turkey. Not sure how likely that is, but could definetly still happen. We'll just have to wait and see.

Grinners · 11-20-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatitude

WWI + WW2 basically culture-shocked the entire continent into hyper-passiveness, though Balkans remains somewhat like the old Europe. Conventional warfare is an extinct animal for nuclear nations. The only wars that go on anymore are between nations that don't have nukes, or between a nation with nukes and a nation without them.

Interesting points.

Will.i_am · 11-20-2009, 08:04 PM

There's no way the Balkans are done fighting each other.

As for large scale war breaking out in Europe, I really don't know. I tend to believe that, if a war were to break out, people won't fire off their nukes right away. There wouldn't be an ICBM fired until a side was backed into a corner because of the threat of reciprocation.

I don't a Western European country is ever going to go to war with another West European country but is a NATO vs Asia war impossible? I'd say not and I'd also say that it would be a conventional war until one side realized it couldn't win and said side would either surrender or go MAD.

Beatitude · 11-20-2009, 08:07 PM

We haven't had WW3 so I guess it's all just theory, but I have a hard time wrapping my brain around the idea of two nuclear nations just waging a conventional war with each other. They probably wouldn't flip out and turn the other nation into a wasteland, but I have little doubt they wouldn't drop a few of them just to force a resolution.

VTheKing · 11-20-2009, 08:08 PM

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There's no way the Balkans are done fighting each other.

True that. It's really one of those places that could use less religion (notroll). It's barely been a decade since the Kosovo War, too.

Balkans can't break up further? Well, there's still Kosovo where people are not sure whether if it is actually separate from Serbia or not. Serbia itself can break up even further (north); Bosnia and Herzegovina might not work out in the long haul. They always find ways to divide themselves...

AbuMaryam · 11-20-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VTheKing

True that. It's really one of those places that could use less religion (notroll). It's barely been a decade since the Kosovo War, too.

Balkans can't break up further? Well, there's still Kosovo where people are not sure whether if it is actually separate from Serbia or not. Serbia itself can break up even further (north); Bosnia and Herzegovina might not work out in the long haul. They always find ways to divide themselves...

They lived in a relative peaceful environment before the 90s the Catholic Croats, Protestant serb and Bosnian Muslim pop used to live side by side without any hatred between them...but all hell broke lose in the 90s when politics got in the way of trying to force an identity on the Bosnia who wanted to be identified as Bosnia muslims instead of going to the serb/croat category. I don't think both sides wanted the war to happen but it wasn't in the common peoples hands to decide, I'm reading a book about how they lived in the late 80's to early 90s once I get deeper in that I might have a better response. Just wanted to state that it wasn't always like it has become recently

Dragger · 11-20-2009, 09:54 PM

And yet some believe in complete worldwide unity under some NWO.

Yeah, ok.

Jedan01 · 11-21-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VTheKing

True that. It's really one of those places that could use less religion (notroll). It's barely been a decade since the Kosovo War, too.

Balkans can't break up further? Well, there's still Kosovo where people are not sure whether if it is actually separate from Serbia or not. Serbia itself can break up even further (north); Bosnia and Herzegovina might not work out in the long haul. They always find ways to divide themselves...

You don't know what you're talking about. Vojvodina (the "north" part of Serbia that you speak of) has zero interest in separating from the rest of the country.

There will not be another war over Kosovo because it's basically a NATO protectorate. Also, Albania, Croatia, and Slovenia are all part of the EU now. It is only a matter of time before Bosnia, Macedonia, and Serbia are also accepted. Therefore, they're not going to fight each other when they're part of the same alliance, even if there are long standing hatreds between the countries.

Penile_Dementia · 11-22-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stateless

'ever' is a long, long time. So yes.

Thith.

Large_Emu · 11-22-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

Depends, with the current brain drain in the US fleeing to Canada/Europe leaving Republicans/Christian Fundamentalists to strengthen in the US it is possible that in 50 years down the road you might see the US get another despotic theocrat like Bush trying to attack Europe for resources (in the name of Jesus) and because they "hate" our freedoms (by then the US will look downright Orwellian where any dissent is unpatriotic and liberal -- oh, liberal will be redefined as being a bad word instead of a neutral political term). So yeah, Europe will have to fight back.

America woud never attack europe because

1) USA depends on Europe for allot of help in wars such as the one in Iraq
2) Most countries in europe are technologically advanced with good strong armies, France has about 400,000 troops on its own.

LordDarwin · 11-22-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Large_Emu

America woud never attack europe because

1) USA depends on Europe for allot of help in wars such as the one in Iraq
2) Most countries in europe are technologically advanced with good strong armies, France has about 400,000 troops on its own.

And the fact that Europe's white and predominantly Christian.

Rambo26 · 11-22-2009, 07:17 AM

No Europe is not like Iraq pointman

Free (or generally free) countries do not attack eachother, so in the short-medium term a war will not happen, but in the long run anything can happen!

KLMARB · 11-23-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

Depends, with the current brain drain in the US fleeing to Canada/Europe leaving Republicans/Christian Fundamentalists to strengthen in the US it is possible that in 50 years down the road you might see the US get another despotic theocrat like Bush trying to attack Europe for resources (in the name of Jesus) and because they "hate" our freedoms (by then the US will look downright Orwellian where any dissent is unpatriotic and liberal -- oh, liberal will be redefined as being a bad word instead of a neutral political term). So yeah, Europe will have to fight back.

The term "despotic theocrat" is much more applicable to Obama than to Bush. Bush never attempted to don the religious mantle of setting the subjective morality for America, but Obama clearly has....complete with demonization of all those who oppose him...

VTheKing · 11-23-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedan01

You don't know what you're talking about. Vojvodina (the "north" part of Serbia that you speak of) has zero interest in separating from the rest of the country.

There will not be another war over Kosovo because it's basically a NATO protectorate. Also, Albania, Croatia, and Slovenia are all part of the EU now. It is only a matter of time before Bosnia, Macedonia, and Serbia are also accepted. Therefore, they're not going to fight each other when they're part of the same alliance, even if there are long standing hatreds between the countries.

Maybe not "separate", but given the varied ethnic make up of the region it might as well become one more point of instability in the region. Who knows.

I agree that with EU membership imminent, the odds of war will drop dramatically. But what if in the long haul the European Union ends up collapsing? It's not like it is a monolithic institution.

WinterFresh · 11-23-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Large_Emu

America woud never attack europe because

1) USA depends on Europe for allot of help in wars such as the one in Iraq
2) Most countries in europe are technologically advanced with good strong armies, France has about 400,000 troops on its own.

Those 2 points mean nothing. Sorry. Especially 1.