The Ultimate Training Thread (cont. disc from AST thread)

[Beast]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Big Cat


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Originally posted by liftbig
hmmm, I eat every 2-3 hours, good food, high protein, meat ect.. I also work 40hrs a week and if i try and train balls to the wall for 2 hours every night at 7pm, i just seem to get in a overtrained state.
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BWAHAHAHAHA. No wonder. Why don't you start with the basics. For the last 5 years its been a generally accepted fact that you should train no more than 45-50 minutes per session, because then cortisol rises and GH drops. You are deliberately putting yourself in harms way. That's one of the primary keys to ICE.


quote: Originally posted by liftbig
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Now what are you trying to tell me i dont eat enough? Or maybe i dont eat the right foods? No, i'll tell you whats wrong, its the body can only handle so much stress at one time, lifting puts a ton of stress on your mind and body, so dont give me some stupid azz remark of not eating enough, its bull and i dont think you know sh!t. I would go toe to toe with you on training and nutrition any day.
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Oh by all means please do. Anyone that trains for 2 hours on end doesn't know jack to begin with and I'd love to whipe that smugness off of you in under 2 seconds.

Here's one to start on : Why on earth do you believe you have to train two hours per session ?


quote: Originally posted by liftbig
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High volume works for a short period of time, unless: A) one is on roids, b) he or she can sit and relax all day long with no stress whats so ever, or c) he or she is like Arnold and can handle beyond human stress.
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Arnold was a pussy that relied on his roids, have you seen his recent pictures at st.Barth ? My God. You probably even look better than that. These are not pre-requisites for high volume training. You just don't have the balls to complete 20 sets in 50 minutes. THAT, my friend is the prerequisite for high volume training with success ...


quote: Originally posted by liftbig
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Dr. Frederick C. Hatfield wrote a bodybuilding book, in the book he even says to be careful of overtraining, no surpris he lifts and he is a Dr, so i think its safe to say he knows his sh!t,

Uhm, I'm a doctor. I received my doctorate in molecular biology just a few months ago. i'm currently working on adding a masters in physical therapy to that. If Dr. Hatfield presents any evidence, I will gladly refute it for you ...

[b]but really who needs a book or anything eles to tell them that they can overtrain if their not careful. Maybe you should read the book, or maybe you should put your words into practice and lift. Do you even workout?
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5 days a week, 50 minutes, 12-20 sets per workout. High protein, low GI carb, high calorie diet. 221 lbs with 8% (used to be 225 at 4% when I still competed). And I'm under a hell of a lot more stress each day than you, partially from pussies that don't know jack about science like yourself that think they can take a pop at me...



quote: Originally posted by liftbig
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Really because i'm sure if you did you would know overtraining is real, very real.
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Yeah, keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it puts you to sleep at night. I on the other hand don't sleep unless I know I did everything I can to grow.

Yeah, Derek, bring on that thread about training. This piss-ant made me anxious to demonstrate my skill...

There has been some good discussion. We can continue that here.

[ShaneG85]

I think that comment about Arnold was stupid. If Arnold never existed, that person who was answering those questions would still be looking for a hobby. No offense, but Arnold relied on roids??? Lol, i cant believe some of these people. Arnold only took small amounts of roids in the later years of his career. He trained high volume throughout his career.

As for him making fun of the way Arnold looks now. Why the hell do you care??!! The man has spend many years dedicating his life and revolving it around how he looks and now he is spending the rest of it to enjoy himself. Some people need to stop dissing on people and take the anger out of the weights. If you make fun of someone for how they look you need to seriously rethink your life.

(I am not trying to start and argument here, i am just trying to say not to defame people for no apparent reason. Judging someone for how they look outside of a sport or activity that requires it is pointless. Different training styles work for different people. The last time i checked, Arnold was bigger than Mentzer.)

Shane

[Mark21087]

Originally posted by ShaneG85
I Arnold only took small amounts of roids in the later years of his career. He trained high volume throughout his career.
Shane

How do you know he only took a small amount? Is there any proof of this?

[ShaneG85]

Originally posted by Mark21087
How do you know he only took a small amount? Is there any proof of this?

It would be impossible to get proof. Do you actually think Arnold relied on roids like the guy said? Arnold only took roids in the later stages of his career. Nothing even close to what the guys use today. Dianabol was even a big thing back then.

[Mark21087]

Originally posted by ShaneG85
It would be impossible to get proof. Do you actually think Arnold relied on roids like the guy said? Arnold only took roids in the later stages of his career. Nothing even close to what the guys use today. Dianabol was even a big thing back then.

They had the mentality that "more was better". That is why they trained for hours each day 6-7 times a week. What makes you think they didn't use that same mentality when it came to steroids?