on a winny only cycle....

deono · 02-09-2003, 11:51 AM

this would be my first cycle, and i know its light, but thats all im lookin for. ive done my research but ive still got a couple questions just to make sure. if i was to do a 6 week cycle of oral winny at 50mg/ed, would i need any other drugs on hand? im pretty sure im not needing to take clomid towards the end of this, but i just need some reassurement. thanks

mflair2000 · 02-09-2003, 12:30 PM

bump.

although i am planning a real bread & butter cycle in the future..

in the present i am in a situation (work..etc) where i cant blow up 25-30lbs....so i am also interested in to hear some advice/opinions on this.

RetiredMod · 02-09-2003, 12:34 PM

That cycle seems pointless bro, save up and at least pickup some test. Test should really be in every cycle. I think you will be dissappointed with a winny only cycle, especially since it will only last 6 weeks (not that I am recommending running winny longer).

mflair2000 · 02-09-2003, 12:45 PM

might as well stick to prohormones/1-test then(?) if it's a waste..and do a first cycle properly .alright..thanks

if you add the test..what could one expect to gain..if diet and training is in check from a test/winny cycle...compared to a test/deca/winny cycle?

Source11 · 02-09-2003, 12:45 PM

McBain McBain McBain......I would love to disagree with you

But I am agreeing with you 100%. There are some sample cutting cycle in the Sample Cycle Forum that are really nice, you should check them out and see if you like any of them

RetiredMod · 02-09-2003, 01:30 PM

lol Source11

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Originally posted by mflair2000
might as well stick to prohormones/1-test then(?) if it's a waste..and do a first cycle properly .alright..thanks

if you add the test..what could one expect to gain..if diet and training is in check from a test/winny cycle...compared to a test/deca/winny cycle?

Well it's impossible to put numbers on your expected gains, but if you threw deca in there, the gains would probably be significantly better. Although if you are prepping for a contest I'd leave the deca out. I mean it depends on the goals of the cycle. I'd recommend just staying away from PH's and saving up for a couple months and doing it right. JMO tho

deono · 02-09-2003, 02:15 PM

ive read many other peoples experiences with just 50mg/ed for 6 weeks on other boards, and most were very successful with their goals. im looking merely to help keep the muscle on while i diet down. im 6'3, 225-230 right now, and hoping to drop alot of Bodyfat while keeping and gaining some lean muscle if possible. thanks for the responses by the way

BSMNT732 · 02-09-2003, 02:49 PM

Drugs dont blow you up, its how you approach it with training and diet. You can cut on any drug, you can gain mass with any drug. If you ran a cutting cycle with test prop and winny you would harden up and gain a few pounds, while preventing muscle loss.

mflair2000 · 02-10-2003, 09:37 PM

i've read everyone's opinions against orals only cycle...and how it's a waste of time etc.

so if the vets had a choice between...winny (oral) or transdermal 1-test (prohormone/prosteriod)...which one would you chose? why?

pounder · 02-10-2003, 09:56 PM

I would stay away from PHs personally, so a choice between those two would be a no-brainer for me.

I know people that have gotten gyno from PHs, but I don't know a single person that feels like they got good gains. Just anecdotal, but that's been my experience. It could be that most people using PHs don't really research them since they're so easy to get and that they just screw it all up, but I wouldn't risk it.

EAE · 02-10-2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by pounder
I would stay away from PHs personally, so a choice between those two would be a no-brainer for me.

I know people that have gotten gyno from PHs, but I don't know a single person that feels like they got good gains. Just anecdotal, but that's been my experience. It could be that most people using PHs don't really research them since they're so easy to get and that they just screw it all up, but I wouldn't risk it.

The guy is talking about 1-test, which doesn't aromatize, so no risk of gyno. It's also a steroid, just that it's legal and for that reason, I would pick 1-test over winny. Both might be mild, but at least 1-test is legal. Plus, it's not liver toxic.

RetiredMod · 02-10-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by EAE
The guy is talking about 1-test, which doesn't aromatize, so no risk of gyno. It's also a steroid, just that it's legal and for that reason, I would pick 1-test over winny. Both might be mild, but at least 1-test is legal. Plus, it's not liver toxic.

I dunno, I think results would be a LOT better than 1-test, as 1-test has been compared to a weaker version of primo. Winny by itself doesn't seem to make sense IMO but lots of bros love it. The liver toxicity isn't that bad on winny anyways, especially if you don't go above 50mg ED, and don't run it for more than 6 weeks. Personally I'd be more worried about the negative impact on lipid profile from the winny than anything else. I mean liver is very rescilliant and if you dont drink (or take any other drugs that are hard on the liver i.e. acetominophen) and take your liver protectants you should be fine.