weak bouncer

midian · 01-29-2003, 01:14 PM

allright i when to this concert and on of the bouncers look like a little stick that my sister could punch true the stage (if i had a sister

) i know they got some punches and grips mastered, but what the hell are they gonna do when a huge guy is giving them some crap ?? i thought i could take him on, i don't think i was mistaking neither, he was real small and real real real thin, i think they should get rid of that guy, there is no way i would listen to that guy

Anxed · 01-29-2003, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by midian
allright i when to this concert and on of the bouncers look like a little stick that my sister could punch true the stage (if i had a sister ) i know they got some punches and grips mastered, but what the hell are they gonna do when a huge guy is giving them some crap ?? i thought i could take him on, i don't think i was mistaking neither, he was real small and real real real thin, i think they should get rid of that guy, there is no way i would listen to that guy

there is probably a good reason that he is there.. ive known a few bouncers on the short and wirey side that could clean the floor with anyone they had to...

**Roxie** · 01-29-2003, 01:18 PM

looks aren't everything. Just because you are big and muscular doesn't necessarily mean you know how to fight or controll someone. There are alot of people out there that are small, but know where to punch to put a person down.

midian · 01-29-2003, 01:19 PM

suppose bob sapp walks in there i don't think that guy would wanna get in to trouble with that guy, i know they trained to defensif sports and stuff but he was small and weak as hell, lower arms were way bigger then his upper arms

Anxed · 01-29-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by midian
suppose bob sapp walks in there i don't think that guy would wanna get in to trouble with that guy, i know they trained to defensif sports and stuff but he was small and weak as hell, lower arms were way bigger then his upper arms

dude, Ive got a friend that is 5'3" and about a buck 50 soaking wet.. ive seen him take down guys that are twice his size... he's a 3rd or 4th degree TKD guy...

dont underestimate someone based on size... the smaller ones are the ones you should watch out for...

Jcfreak_02 · 01-29-2003, 01:21 PM

So if Bruce Lee was a bouncer would you fear him? Beware of the small and wirey. PLus the bony people have those protruding bones to poke you with.

01-29-2003, 01:23 PM

I know a lot of bouncers, and I've actually worked with them on weekends over the summer. Big or small, most of them could mess you up pretty good.

A buddy of mine is like 5'6", about 190lbs., he will wreck you if you start **** at the club.

Anxed · 01-29-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Jcfreak_02
So if Bruce Lee was a bouncer would you fear him? Beware of the small and wirey. PLus the bony people have those protruding bones to poke you with.

omg, I used to spar with this dude that was wirey... he was well versed in TKD, Aikido, and did enough Thai boxing to be all calloused up on his shins and forearms... I got to where I couldnt punch the fuker cause he'd block with those shins or forearms... damn that fukkin hurts...

midian · 01-29-2003, 01:39 PM

you all seem to be missing the point of being a bouncer, their job is to PREVENT fight rather then being able to mess you up, it's all in the head a bouncer sound look real intimidating so he would have lesser change of getting in trouble, they already wear those tight t-shirts and have like this intimidating hair cutt, being strong aint just your mass but also alot in your head

goblin6 · 01-29-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by midian
you all seem to be missing the point of being a bouncer, their job is to PREVENT fight rather then being able to mess you up, it's all in the head a bouncer sound look real intimidating so he would have lesser change of getting in trouble, they already wear those tight t-shirts and have like this intimidating hair cutt, being strong aint just your mass but also alot in your head

Actually I have been a bouncer and run security at a couple of clubs in the Bay Area. I would rather have a skinny guy who had a presence and knew what he was doing rather than a guy who looks intimidating and has no clue. It is all about attitude and if you are confident your chances of having problems are real slight. It has been my experience that large guys get more grief due to beer muscles and such. Just remember he has help comning, fast. You said you did not think you would listen to him, you would if you wanted to stay. There is one rule of all bouncers, give one of us crap or trouble and the rest of us are gonna destroy you......

with a smile on our face.

**Roxie** · 01-29-2003, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by goblin6
Actually I have been a bouncer and run security at a couple of clubs in the Bay Area. I would rather have a skinny guy who had a presence and knew what he was doing rather than a guy who looks intimidating and has no clue. It is all about attitude and if you are confident your chances of having problems are real slight. It has been my experience that large guys get more grief due to beer muscles and such. Just remember he has help comning, fast. You said you did not think you would listen to him, you would if you wanted to stay. There is one rule of all bouncers, give one of us crap or trouble and the rest of us are gonna destroy you......

with a smile on our face.

What clubs in the Bay Area?

2Skinny · 01-29-2003, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Roxie
looks aren't everything. Just because you are big and muscular doesn't necessarily mean you know how to fight or controll someone. There are alot of people out there that are small, but know where to punch to put a person down.

Im sure we all remember the Tito Ortez (Sp?) Shamrock ordeal. Tito isnt that big.

midian · 01-29-2003, 02:07 PM

i ment i wouldn't listen to him outside the music hall

how old do you need to be to become a bouncer i'm pretty interested in that, the local bouncers here look pretty muscled they get free memberships to the gym 5 time pass or something, the biggest guy can lift people holding one shoulder using one hand, i think the judo coach wouldn't get any crap from no bouncer at all he's HUGE !!!! and i think he's a top 10 judoka of this country try pinning him to the floor, if seen this guy taking on 4-5 people in practice

then the guy who jean claud van damme fought against in the quest comes from brussels and he gave a kickbox practice here, that guy is waaaaaaaaay strong he punched a punching bag, the guy who had to hold it flew away, that + he's a black belt kick box and taikwando would you honeslty be able to pin those kinda people ?

chris008 · 01-29-2003, 02:37 PM

Anxed.....I'm not saying your friend isn't strong and skilled but its been proven in MMA that TKD is a joke.

Anxed · 01-29-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by chris008
Anxed.....I'm not saying your friend isn't strong and skilled but its been proven in MMA that TKD is a joke.

oh, Im sure it is... but I have actually seen him in action... he is not JUST a TKD guy.. thats just what he happens to teach...

joe78 · 01-29-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Roxie
What clubs in the Bay Area?

Bump, I'm in the Bay Area, which clubs do you run security for?

goblin6 · 01-29-2003, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Roxie
What clubs in the Bay Area?

I ran security for the Trocadero before it closed and became the Glass Kat, wroked at Slims and done some stuff at the Warfield and City Nights and the Sound Factory. I don't amymore with all the bull**** that goes on now I had to get a real job?

*sigh* days of whomping people and getting paid for it are over.

TomGS · 01-29-2003, 04:32 PM

Bouncing is all about cleaning out troublemakers WITHOUT doing them significant harm. That could be very difficult to accomplish if you are small and weak. You can't bust out martial arts, poke eyes out, kick people in the nuts, punch people in the face, or anything of the sort. If you do, you are likely to get sued\fired within your first week. With that being said, in most cases you must be fairly large and strong to be an effective bouncer.

jay81 · 01-29-2003, 04:39 PM

Like people have told you, most bouncers are there for a very good reason.

However I know what you mean, being a crowd controller myself I can tell you there are most certainly a few guys like you describe who really aren't fit for the job. Pretty average looking with * some * ma training frequently ... but heck ... most of the big guys here with no ma training would wipe the floor with them.

That said - don't let looks decieve you. About the deadliest guy I ever met was an old Irish crowd control instructor I did a course under, he's 68 years old ... 5'7'' 165lbs ... quite fit and some large tattooed forearms ... a bit intimidating I would say ... he just has that '' presence '' ... but overall nothing special. Don't let the appearance fool you though. He could f*cking kill you with his bare hands as easily as he could look at you. Used to be in the British SAS and was involved in operations in the 60s that never even officially happened. He once took a Korean Tae Kwon Do champion to school who was playing up in his bar ... totally made the guy his bitch like he was nothing.

Bouncers are not people you want to mess with ... especially the smaller ones who you don't think much of because they're usually the most dangerous. This is just another good reason to avoid fighting all together - you never know who you're messing with. You might be able to tell your '' opponent's '' size and other glaring physical attributes ... but that's about it ... you won't find out what their speed and power and technique is like until it's too late if it's superior to yours.

jay81 · 01-29-2003, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by chris008
Anxed.....I'm not saying your friend isn't strong and skilled but its been proven in MMA that TKD is a joke.

TKD isn't a joke ... it's a fundamentally sound and effective pillar of the martial arts. It's about the best base you can get if you're looking to get your feet wet and start off or just some self defence. The UFC and other similar mma events are not street fights ... the rules greatly limit strikers. Things are somewhat different in a true fight.

bigliftsCNU · 01-29-2003, 07:06 PM

i know what you mean... i went to a dancing club( non country) one time last winter, and right off the bat, as i got in the door, i was offered a job as a bouncer. i was 268 then. and they were like, what is your fighting background?.. and i was like.. " kickyourass country style.".... i told em, that i didnt take karate or anything, but i can take a lickin.............. as soon as i told them that... they said they werent intrested anymore........... oh well.

goblin6 · 01-29-2003, 07:19 PM

you did not want to be working there from the sounds of it. Your first question is if they hav ehad any experiience, not "what is your fighting style of background" some of my best guys did not take any martial arts they could just handle themsleves which is all you really need, its worked for me, know your strengths and limitaions and you cna handle things. That and not be afraid to get your ass whoooped every once ina while.(it does happen)

bigliftsCNU · 01-29-2003, 07:26 PM

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you did not want to be working there from the sounds of it. Your first question is if they hav ehad any experiience, not "what is your fighting style of background" some of my best guys did not take any martial arts they could just handle themsleves which is all you really need, its worked for me, know your strengths and limitaions and you cna handle things. That and not be afraid to get your ass whoooped every once ina while.(it does happen)

oh yes.. i know.. i have given many a good beatings in my day and i have taken a few too. your right.. i didnt want to work there anyways...... couldnt stand listening to rap everynight

THE LOCUST · 01-29-2003, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by midian
allright i when to this concert and on of the bouncers look like a little stick that my sister could punch true the stage (if i had a sister ) i know they got some punches and grips mastered, but what the hell are they gonna do when a huge guy is giving them some crap ?? i thought i could take him on, i don't think i was mistaking neither, he was real small and real real real thin, i think they should get rid of that guy, there is no way i would listen to that guy

As a former "eviction technician" myself, I can tell ya now that "small skinny" guy on the door is there for a reason. Anybody with half an ounce of sense would think "well he is'nt big, so he must be ****in' hard".Being big and muscular don't mean ****. We had one such "huge & jacked" steroid monster on our team. Once it kicked off really bad & he ran off!!! Leaving us a man down.........the ****house. And as Goblin6 quite rightly said, touch one of the team & its open season. Just my £0.02.

**BPP** · 01-29-2003, 11:55 PM

i always thought bein a bouncer would be fun

i may giveita try
i think ugotta be 21 alot of times though ive heard
round here at least

MartialArtist · 01-30-2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by chris008
Anxed.....I'm not saying your friend isn't strong and skilled but its been proven in MMA that TKD is a joke.

OMG! MMA! That must be fighting!

You really got to learn a lot more things. It's not the style that's important. I beat lots of MMA guys in friendly bouts, does that make MMA garbage? Not at all.

MartialArtist · 01-30-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by jay81
TKD isn't a joke ... it's a fundamentally sound and effective pillar of the martial arts. It's about the best base you can get if you're looking to get your feet wet and start off or just some self defence. The UFC and other similar mma events are not street fights ... the rules greatly limit strikers. Things are somewhat different in a true fight.

Wise words

MartialArtist · 01-30-2003, 12:26 AM

I have friends who work in security, as in bodyguarding. Bodyguarding is like bouncing, but much more demanding. Their most important asset wasn't their fighting skills or their physical attributes like speed. It was their brain.

Bouncing has a lot more brainwork than you think. A smart bouncer is who you have to be wary of.

jay81 · 01-30-2003, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by MartialArtist
I have friends who work in security, as in bodyguarding. Bodyguarding is like bouncing, but much more demanding. Their most important asset wasn't their fighting skills or their physical attributes like speed. It was their brain.

Bouncing has a lot more brainwork than you think. A smart bouncer is who you have to be wary of.

Yeah that's true. In many cases a lot of potentially nasty situations can be much better defused verbally rather than physically. Like '' verbal judo '' if you've ever heard of this approach, it's a tactic often taught to police officers as well. You have to be very diplomatic but sharp and know how to use your words to their best effect. A lot of people can be persuaded to co-operate with you and get along with everyone peacefully. You tend to be able to read people after a while too, just by watching their eyes and how they carry themselves and interact with those around them even if it's not in a very negative way ... once you're used to it you can quite often anticipate troublemakers with just a glance at them.

midian · 01-30-2003, 08:31 AM

i just learned something from my friend today who did judo for a long time, they get some training from an military martial artist and well they learn how to get out of grips that cops or other security personal use( most of the time it starts really painfull, like dislocating one of your joints

) but with all do respect for every bouncer there will always be someone stronger then you out their you all sound really confident but if you see the bouncer in "sportpaleis antwerp" vs bouncer "ancienne belgique" you would know my point the antwerp bouncer was freaking huge, he looked confident and intimidating, then believe it or not but my mother knew the head bodyguard of alice cooper, and well you wouldn't pick on that guy neither just by his looks, if you see the guy from AB, half the people there were bigger, he might be competent and that kind of stuff but thought he looked like a wuss and i mean a wuss, i'm serious he was smaller and thinner then me, and i'm not that big or tall,

if you see the stage personal at festivals like "graspop or rock werchter" you won't see a any small guy in the whole bunch