Question about Testosterone and HGH

Ironman2005 · 11-01-2007, 12:03 AM

So for the 1st time ever in my life I had blood work done to check my test and HGH levels. I'm getting a lil' older and things are starting to slow down a tad. Well, I got my test results back and I'm 50% lover then the norm ! My question is this. Is it right or wrong to get my levels back to normal - by having my Dr. give me the proper meds ? Is this an ethical situation ? I'm a drug user or enhancement user ?

Who here has low levels of test/ HGH ?

psykonxtdoor · 11-01-2007, 12:24 AM

I'm only 21 so I can't tell you anything about low testosterone but I actually did have lower GH when I was younger. I was placed on it for about a year (not positive how long actually) during high school and I grew a few inches. I was pretty short back then and now I'm at least up to 5'7"

I think it's completely ethical. It's something your body should be producing anyway. If you can get HRT then I say go for it.

Ironman2005 · 11-01-2007, 12:30 AM

[QUOTE=psykonxtdoor;92135373]I'm only 21 so I can't tell you anything about low testosterone but I actually did have lower GH when I was younger. I was placed on it for about a year (not positive how long actually) and I grew a few inches.

I was sitting there in the Dr's office thinking the same thing. I was like whooa i'm about to take test/ and HGH. The Dr. looks at me and says " you need it - you're 50% lower then normal - do you want to just keep getting weaker "

Why I really started questioning what I was doing was when I started to think ( what is the difference between me and pro athletes like Bonds or any other pro who could also have low levels ).

Wow - wonder how long I have been this low.

psykonxtdoor · 11-01-2007, 12:42 AM

The difference between you and Bonds is that he used it to increase his performance in a sport. You'd be using it to better your quality of life.

bbuilder87 · 11-01-2007, 12:43 AM

Wow. The media and politicians have brainwashed you like everyone else. I'm not trying to flame you. Its just that your post shows how people have been influenced that "hormones are bad". You have low testosterone levels, you should be able to get them back up to normal level. The normal cut off level is quite low anyway so your test levels are probably in the doghouse. There are side effects attributed to low test levels and as you get older they will only get worse - low libido, muscle loss, tiredness, loss of strength. Only you know your motivations to go on TRT, but if you are eligible, have any side effects of low test, doc is willing to prescribe then there is little to think about here.

EDIT: This topic gets me worked up because my dad is eligible for HRT (and has all the sides of low test) but has the same mindset. He is so brainwashed on the subject it drives me mad. Thing that makes me mad is that our GP is willing to prescribe him as well.

Ironman2005 · 11-01-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bbuilder87

Wow. The media and politicians have brainwashed you like everyone else. I'm not trying to flame you. Its just that your post shows how people have been influenced that "hormones are bad". You have low testosterone levels, you should be able to get them back up to normal level. The normal cut off level is quite low anyway so your test levels are probably in the doghouse. There are side effects attributed to low test levels and as you get older they will only get worse - low libido, muscle loss, tiredness, loss of strength. Only you know your motivations to go on TRT, but if you are eligible, have any side effects of low test, doc is willing to prescribe then there is little to think about here.

EDIT: This topic gets me worked up because my dad is eligible for HRT (and has all the sides of low test) but has the same mindset. He is so brainwashed on the subject it drives me mad. Thing that makes me mad is that our GP is willing to prescribe him as well.

BB - you have me all wrong. What I'm meaning to say is Bonds and crew are 35 + yrs old. How do we know their test/ hgh wasn't low like me ( a freaking 34 yrar old ). If my levels are 50% low - who is to say athetes were/ are/ not ?

I wasn't talking down.

I just want to feel normal.

bbuilder87 · 11-01-2007, 02:51 AM

Unless Bonds came forward and discussed it openly we wouldn't have any idea. I get what you mean now though. What was bond taking and wouldn it relieve low test symptoms or increase them? You bring up a good topic though. If athletes have low hormone levels should they be allowed to bring them up to normal range. If you were hypogonadal it would make it harder to recover from training and compete with everyone else.

TheDeepBlue · 11-01-2007, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bbuilder87

Unless Bonds came forward and discussed it openly we wouldn't have any idea. I get what you mean now though. What was bond taking and wouldn it relieve low test symptoms or increase them? You bring up a good topic though. If athletes have low hormone levels should they be allowed to bring them up to normal range. If you were hypogonadal it would make it harder to recover from training and compete with everyone else.

I think most athletes who get in the **** for steroid use are quite well and above normal hormonal ranges

bbuilder87 · 11-01-2007, 03:23 AM

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I think most athletes who get in the **** for steroid use are quite well and above normal hormonal ranges

Yeah, agreed.

dugnom · 11-02-2007, 08:11 PM

This is a funny thread, cause those pro athletes are in hot water for illegal substance. I don't think your doctor will prescribe an illegal substance.

Vadim Beliaev · 11-02-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironman2005

So for the 1st time ever in my life I had blood work done to check my test and HGH levels. I'm getting a lil' older and things are starting to slow down a tad. Well, I got my test results back and I'm 50% lover then the norm ! My question is this. Is it right or wrong to get my levels back to normal - by having my Dr. give me the proper meds ? Is this an ethical situation ? I'm a drug user or enhancement user ?

Who here has low levels of test/ HGH ?

So its okay for a woman to take contraceptive pills (which - god forbid!- are steroids) to better her quality of life , but you feel guilty to have prescribed testosterone which you require to function properly as a man? Please wake up.

bubba289 · 11-02-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dugnom

This is a funny thread, cause those pro athletes are in hot water for illegal substance. I don't think your doctor will prescribe an illegal substance.

its not illegal when its prescribed smart guy

_Bladen_ · 11-02-2007, 08:47 PM

Thats like asking if its right or wrong to get a tumor removed, your doing it for your health.

jude-o · 11-02-2007, 08:59 PM

Something can only be unethical if it harms an innocent person. I fail to see how hormone replacement therapy hurts anybody.

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I'm a drug user or enhancement user ?

Both. If you've got a problem with that, stop using all medications and stop doing anything that enhances your life.

KB4343 · 11-02-2007, 09:58 PM

There is nothing wrong with getting your virility back. Obtaining these drugs from your doctor is not illegal. Women go on hormone therapy all the time so why should you feel like you're doing something wrong? I'd say go for it because you've got nothing to lose. You'll feel better mentally and physically.

dugnom · 11-03-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba289

its not illegal when its prescribed smart guy

That was the point I was making

bubba289 · 11-03-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dugnom

That was the point I was making

my bad. i misunderstood.

DFW Guy · 11-03-2007, 02:08 PM

male HRT will be mainstream in five years. do it.

Ironman2005 · 11-03-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dugnom

This is a funny thread, cause those pro athletes are in hot water for illegal substance. I don't think your doctor will prescribe an illegal substance.

Who is to say many athletes are not in the same situation as me at 32 years old. Who is to say they are not taking them because their levels are low as well.

I'm an athlete, I'm low - I want my health back.

I'm sure there are many others.

Bonds is 40+ i'm sure his levels many/ could/ have/ been low - ?

hammergunz · 11-04-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironman2005

So for the 1st time ever in my life I had blood work done to check my test and HGH levels. I'm getting a lil' older and things are starting to slow down a tad. Well, I got my test results back and I'm 50% lover then the norm ! My question is this. Is it right or wrong to get my levels back to normal - by having my Dr. give me the proper meds ? Is this an ethical situation ? I'm a drug user or enhancement user ?

Who here has low levels of test/ HGH ?

Women take hormones when they get older and no one seems to give it a second thought. There are anti-aging clinics all over the country that specialize in this for a reason.

Low by what standards? Different doctors have different opinions of what low is.........

kingpete · 11-04-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironman2005

Who is to say many athletes are not in the same situation as me at 32 years old. Who is to say they are not taking them because their levels are low as well.

I'm an athlete, I'm low - I want my health back.

I'm sure there are many others.

Bonds is 40+ i'm sure his levels many/ could/ have/ been low - ?

Athletes don't get into trouble for taking steroids with out a description, They get busted for taking excesively high amounts to increase athletic performance beyoung the norm.
When HRT is described your test/est levels will be bought back to the normal range and no one will know the difference. You definitely won't turn into the hulk and start running sub 10 100's.
Don't want to be offensive, but you seem pretty ignorant on the topic, perhaps you should go and ask your doc a few more questions about how it all works.

bubba289 · 11-04-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kingpete

Athletes don't get into trouble for taking steroids with out a description, When HRT is described your test/est levels will be bought back to the normal range and no one will know the difference.

just so ya know the word is actually "prescribed" or "prescription"

TheJuicedchase · 11-04-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironman2005

Who is to say many athletes are not in the same situation as me at 32 years old. Who is to say they are not taking them because their levels are low as well.

I'm an athlete, I'm low - I want my health back.

I'm sure there are many others.

Bonds is 40+ i'm sure his levels many/ could/ have/ been low - ?

If bonds levels were low he would have done HRT and had normal levels which wouldn't have flagged a drug test.

If he had low levels of testosterone he wouldn't have used one of the most suppressive steroids ever created (not to mention undetectable) to fix the problem.

I don't see any reason why an older athlete couldn't practice HRT.

bbuilder87 · 11-04-2007, 11:52 AM

http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/d...iontue2007.pdf

Page 27. TRT is permitted under the Theraputic Use Excemption if the sportsman can prove they are hypogonadal.

jude-o · 11-04-2007, 02:50 PM

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If bonds levels were low he would have done HRT and had normal levels which wouldn't have flagged a drug test.

Interestingly, the testosterone 'juicing' test works by comparing the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone (an apparently inert metabolite from the testosterone production pathway.) If you take synthetic testosterone, the test level rises without a corresponding increase in epitestosterone, throwing off the ratio. So, it's theoretically possible to 'test positive' without actually having abnormally high testosterone levels. (And yes, all that you would likely need to beat the test is to inject enough epitestosterone with your testosterone.)

I believe all major sports leagues allow testosterone replacement therapy if you can prove you really have low natural testosterone levels so it still shouldn't matter if you 'test hot'...I just like wandering off on tangents. :-)

TheJuicedchase · 11-04-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jude-o

Interestingly, the testosterone 'juicing' test works by comparing the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone (an apparently inert metabolite from the testosterone production pathway.) If you take synthetic testosterone, the test level rises without a corresponding increase in epitestosterone, throwing off the ratio. So, it's theoretically possible to 'test positive' without actually having abnormally high testosterone levels. (And yes, all that you would likely need to beat the test is to inject enough epitestosterone with your testosterone.)

But if you injected the proper amount of testosterone (60-90mg/wk range) I don't think there would be excess not converted by the enzyme to throw the ratio off.

I think they have a test for epitestosterone doping too now.

bbuilder87 · 11-04-2007, 08:15 PM

Read an article in a bodybuilding mag about a study on test supplementation. Its at my gfs house. If i find the article will post it but you can take a decent amount of test before you fail the test:epitest ratio.

They have a test for epitest doping and using a gas chromatography test they can find if you have been supplementing with synthetic testosterone. There is a bit about it at the bottom of this site.

http://www.sitnews.us/MacDougall/090506_macdougall.html

Was all i could find on it.

crazyAC · 11-05-2007, 07:05 AM

HRT wouldnt make that much of a difference for a professional athlete anyways. The doc will test you to see where your levels are at and prescribe only enough androgel to get you back to normal (filling the gap pretty much). This amount would be to just get your body back to normal health not achieve greatness. My 2 pennies.