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Originally Posted by Flex500
and what about passing 3 poly tests with flying colors?
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There are ways to fool a polygraph test, I've heard alot of stories about soldiers being trained to fool a poly test in case they are ever captured. Also, you can use the old tack in the shoe trick to fool the test as well. Not saying thats what ML did, I'm just saying that there are ways around a poly test.
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07-10-2007, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by oggie
There are ways to fool a polygraph test, I've heard alot of stories about soldiers being trained to fool a poly test in case they are ever captured. Also, you can use the old tack in the shoe trick to fool the test as well. Not saying thats what ML did, I'm just saying that there are ways around a poly test.
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that's a pretty far stretch to me from some young dude passing multiple p*ss tests and three poly tests.
Mind you his tests were not inconclusive. He passed. In those tests they ask not only if you are currently but have taken banned substances in the past.
I'm not saying he is natural as of junior nationals as there is no testing. But the best your average could can usually do is make the test come out "Inconclusive". It would be extremely tough for someone to pass 3 tests about current or past use without extensive training (and even then doubtful).
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07-10-2007, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flex500
It would be extremely tough for someone to pass 3 tests about current or past use without extensive training (and even then doubtful).
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I dunno. I've watched it happen.
Not as hard as you might think.
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07-11-2007, 04:22 PM
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As to whether or not Lockett's size can be attained naturally, I do not know. However, I do not think he achieved that size and level of development without the use of AAS or some other banned substance.
Although it isn't unheard of to gain that many lbs of muscle in a year naturally, it is unbelievable that someone at an elite level of training (as he was) could elicit that sort of growth in a one year span. What does he attribute the enormous increase in size to? Why was he so much smaller just one year ago? Certainly, he was training and eating hard before then.
If he achieved that development over ten years I would find it much easier to believe. He certainly has superior/elite genetics, however, this would have been evident a year ago, he wouldn't have just blown up all of a sudden. I call BS
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07-11-2007, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghetto Boy
if he passed both poly and urine he is natural
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they dont test for everything especially if they are using a designer steroid.
UMMMMMMM BALCO. all those guys passed tests. also what is their ration of T to E for passing in bbing?
they can easily take something under the tongue to spike the E levels to even the ratio out every easily.
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07-11-2007, 05:21 PM
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He looks good, not "phenomenal". He is not very large. His muscles are full but they don't seem to pop off him like slabs of beef. He doesn't have the insane muscle density that it showcased by the guys who are on drugs.
Could he be natural? Most definitely.
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07-11-2007, 05:56 PM
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slin as well
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07-11-2007, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DJINN
Just curious here.....what does his race have to do with anything??????????
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Different races have different characteristics. American negroes tend to be stronger and more muscular than American caucasians, on average, due to natural selection.
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07-11-2007, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fleshka
they dont test for everything especially if they are using a designer steroid.
UMMMMMMM BALCO. all those guys passed tests. also what is their ration of T to E for passing in bbing?
they can easily take something under the tongue to spike the E levels to even the ratio out every easily.
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07-12-2007, 09:42 AM
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maybe I'm niave but I buy Lacour and Willet being natural cause let's face it they have every advantage there is, they wor,k for AST, both have guys doing thier diet and trianing that have PHD's etc.
Locket kinda seems like he's not even trying if you believe some of the stuff that's put out there, he eats twizzlers, doesn't diet and all that jazz.....maybe he is natty, I'd like to believe it but this is one of the only guys where my spidey sense tells me there's more going on here than meets the eye.
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07-12-2007, 10:12 AM
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I've seen homeless black guys that i bet could outmax me while on heroin. It's strange, you think its like "you put in this much protein and get this." but some of these guys take in low cal and it just adds. my friend did golden gloves boxing and this one guy would walk in smelling like weed and eating mcdonalds and then get in and be totally ripped and kick everyones ass, not even getting tired. wtf indeed.
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10-08-2007, 11:38 PM
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he may be; I do not believe that he is "off the shelf" diuretic free...
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10-08-2007, 11:54 PM
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Jealously is indeed a nastry trait to have.
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I have to agree. I mean he never failed a test and passed with flying colors. Also he's not very thick but impressive none the less. Great genes.
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10-09-2007, 12:19 AM
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speechless the guy is incredible...
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10-09-2007, 12:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jocktheglide
speechless the guy is incredible...
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i agree.
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10-09-2007, 12:51 AM
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If he's natural - Wow I'm impressed
If he's juicing - Wow I'm still impressed. Roids alone won't make you look like that.
Genetic freak & Hard worker, nothing else to it.
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10-09-2007, 01:59 AM
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So, nothing ever came up about this guy bein 'un-natural'?
I hope he IS natural, that just show the types of genetics that are possible..
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10-09-2007, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Natural_O
He's 5'8" and 244 pounds. He was about 220 for last year's Team Universe so he added 25 pounds of muscle (he was hard as a rock on Saturday for the Jr. Nationals with shredded glutes) in less than a year. If he's natural, he must be from another planet or he has genetics that have never been seen before.
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lol I think I trust this guys credentials on the subject 
And Aren't things like GH untestable?
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10-09-2007, 02:58 AM
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I think He was laughing every time Dave said he' s natural cause he can't help it ahhahaah
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10-09-2007, 03:30 AM
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I think the definition of NATURAL in dictionary should change 
by the way recent pic of Arnie
Tho all haters who were posting his ps pictures showing him not in too good shape.
It should shut their mouth!
Arnie The King!
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10-09-2007, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by wala
So, nothing ever came up about this guy bein 'un-natural'?
I hope he IS natural, that just show the types of genetics that are possible..
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imagine if he did/will do gear imagine the possibilitys if he is natural now at 244lbs gear can put up to 100lbs on someone in like 5 years he is still young he can Mr. o for sure has dexters astethics and has the porportion and can gain the size of ronnie coleman.
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10-09-2007, 03:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lukx
by the way recent pic of Arnie
Tho all haters who were posting his ps pictures showing him not in too good shape.
It should shut their mouth!
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Wow! I hope he is preparing for a new movie 
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10-09-2007, 03:46 AM
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Regarding diet. Some say the need for huge amounts of protein is a myth....
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10-09-2007, 03:54 AM
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if he is natural, which i dont know no one here can really tell for sure atm, but wouldnt he be mr natural olympia for sure? i mean he has to be the absolute biggest natural in the world no? can someone prove me wrong? and if he isnt the biggest in the world, then why is there an argument?
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Regarding diet. Some say the need for huge amounts of protein is a myth....
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good contribution
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10-09-2007, 03:57 AM
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Regarding diet. Some say the need for huge amounts of protein is a myth....
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in his case its a myth, but in your case hiding behind the internet its needed, oh so badly.
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10-09-2007, 04:01 AM
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in his case its a myth, but in your case hiding behind the internet its needed, oh so badly.
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Ha ha charming. Yes I'm a skinny 6foot2 at 200 pounds. No moster like you. But I'm not hiding.
So what's your problem? Bad hair day?
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10-09-2007, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by iDarren
Ha ha charming. Yes I'm a skinny 6foot2 at 200 pounds. No moster like you. But I'm not hiding.
So what's your problem? Bad hair day?
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LOL....sure let me change my stats really quick buddy lets make me 7ft 400lbs of raw muscle...so your point is? your still hiding...yes come on..come out the hole..you can do it...keep coming dont worry no one here is going to hurt you....
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Lowerthefever, "All pro BBers are natural except Jay Cutler"
DiamondDelts, "Well you can please some of the people some of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time. Give a short, joking answer like dex and people will say you are unprofessional/ghetto. Give long, deep, analytical answers like kai and people say you are irritating/beating around the bush. You just can't win either way."
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10-09-2007, 05:43 AM
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He MIGHT be natural but he shoots himself in the foot when he says crap like he only eats 2 meals a day. Absolute bull****!
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I'm tempted to jump on the "he's not natural!!!" bandwagon, but I went to highschool with 2 guys (both black) who, for whatever reason, were just f*cking ripped out of their minds naturally. These guys both did track I think and one was our star running back who later went on to play college ball. Never heard about him after that. I mean, they weren't just low bf, they had huge massive muscle mass and they probably ate whatever they wanted to and certainly didn't train very hard.
Our weightlifting coach was going crazy trying to recruit them for the weightlifting team but they didn't want to do it. I honestly believe some people can be gifted like that.
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