Why to NOT take M-T Anator p70, Cell Mass, and Nitro-Tech

[eryanb]

Well these products will be effective and have science behind them, so if you have money to waste go for it.

However, they are easy to make yourself! Furthermore, for example as I will show below with my Anator p70 formulation, your home-made formulation can be 2X better quality and 1/10 the price!

My home made Anator p70: (I just got my high grade hydrolyzed whey isolate today and my waxy maize to come shipped ground from the U.S. this week). So the results of my home made Anator p70 will be visible in a few months by progress pics.

So the recipe: 40-60g of High grade whey protein hydrosylate (or do a 50:50 mix with hydrosylate and isolate), 40-60g of high glycemic index carbohydrate (e.g. gatorade, pure dextrose or maltodextrin, or the best?waxy maize), 6 capsules Leukic (and/or take a branched chain amino acid powder or a butt load of BCAA pills). Phenylalanine 1-2 grams, 5 grams creatine MONOHYDRATE.

The major advantages: (1) YOU CONTROL THE QUALITY. By the way. The reason they combine, leucine, phenylalanine, hydrosylate, and high glycemic index carbs is this specific combo has been shown by blood tests of fasting athletes to spike insulin levels by 100% greater compared to other combos. Insulin is required to transport amino acids into recovering muscle cells. Also keep in mind since insulin is a hormone, 100% increase means exponentially more than 100% increase in effect. This in summary means a substantially greater flux of amino acids into your recovering muscle cells post workout. That post-workout window when you can become catabolic or anabolic just as easily depending on your nutrition and availability of that nutrition is critical. Considering also that hydrolyzed isolate has been shown to bypass the stomach and go directly to the small intestine (80% of it actually), this means you are getting those amino acids with that insulin spike.

(A) Its quite funny the hype by M-T. They spray dry some maltodextrin, just a cheap source of carbs, throw in some hydrosylate of whey protein and call it ?ANA-DRIVE?. Actually waxy maize is a much better source of high glycemic index carbs. Furthermore they refuse to list how much of the protein in anator p70 is actually hydrolyzed di-, tri-peptides and other short oligomers. It could be 10% or less and the rest slow digesting concentrate. You can order your own 100% high grade hydrosylate. Just google true protein (as one word). Now YOU control the protein quality. Furthermore they hydrolyze a concentrate not and isolate. High grade hydrolyzed isolate is only 11.39/lb ordered online. This is cheaper than many whey isolates. I talked to a reliable guy on body space who said Anator p70 didn't work. So I suspect you have actually very low hydrolyzed fractions in there. Which is why they conveniently don't specify how much is there exactly....Just like companies that sell "proprietary" blends of isolate and concentrate. What is so proprietary is that it is like 90% cheap concentrate.

(B) Their ?Phenylgene? is just four different sources of phenylalanine. So do they know which source has the best pharmacology or not?!! Why not just use the one that works. I?m sure a good dose of just pure L-phenylalanine which you can buy yourself in bulk will be more than enough.

(C) The exact same reasoning goes for their ?Leucigene? and ?GENEtor.? Why through all those ethyl ester derivatives in there? My guess is it makes their product look more fancy.

In summary. You will notice I like M-T product, I take quite a few of them. But keep in mind that M-T is the king of hype, like that certain razor company with commercials of fighter Jets that always has some new vibrating model. So just try to be educated about what it is you are actually buying and why.

The bottom line. To buy all the ingredients I list in bulk will take an initial investment greater than an $80 bottle of Anator p70. However instead of a 1-month supply you will have a 3-month supply for the same price. Furthermore your mix will be far better quality.

[rvngu]

huh i notice that nobody replied to this despite all the views. isn`t phenylalanine kind of bad for neurones (like aspartame). and i also love the flyer for anator with gustavo showing his biceps with a blonde hanging on to him. ``if you want to attract the attention of hot ladies, you need bug guns like gustavo``. lol

[sugicalmike]

Originally Posted by eryanb

Well these products will be effective and have science behind them, so if you have money to waste go for it.

However, they are easy to make yourself! Furthermore, for example as I will show below with my Anator p70 formulation, your home-made formulation can be 2X better quality and 1/10 the price!

My home made Anator p70: (I just got my high grade hydrolyzed whey isolate today and my waxy maize to come shipped ground from the U.S. this week). So the results of my home made Anator p70 will be visible in a few months by progress pics.

So the recipe: 40-60g of High grade whey protein hydrosylate (or do a 50:50 mix with hydrosylate and isolate), 40-60g of high glycemic index carbohydrate (e.g. gatorade, pure dextrose or maltodextrin, or the best?waxy maize), 6 capsules Leukic (and/or take a branched chain amino acid powder or a butt load of BCAA pills). Phenylalanine 1-2 grams, 5 grams creatine MONOHYDRATE.

The major advantages: (1) YOU CONTROL THE QUALITY. By the way. The reason they combine, leucine, phenylalanine, hydrosylate, and high glycemic index carbs is this specific combo has been shown by blood tests of fasting athletes to spike insulin levels by 100% greater compared to other combos. Insulin is required to transport amino acids into recovering muscle cells. Also keep in mind since insulin is a hormone, 100% increase means exponentially more than 100% increase in effect. This in summary means a substantially greater flux of amino acids into your recovering muscle cells post workout. That post-workout window when you can become catabolic or anabolic just as easily depending on your nutrition and availability of that nutrition is critical. Considering also that hydrolyzed isolate has been shown to bypass the stomach and go directly to the small intestine (80% of it actually), this means you are getting those amino acids with that insulin spike.

(A) Its quite funny the hype by M-T. They spray dry some maltodextrin, just a cheap source of carbs, throw in some hydrosylate of whey protein and call it ?ANA-DRIVE?. Actually waxy maize is a much better source of high glycemic index carbs. Furthermore they refuse to list how much of the protein in anator p70 is actually hydrolyzed di-, tri-peptides and other short oligomers. It could be 10% or less and the rest slow digesting concentrate. You can order your own 100% high grade hydrosylate. Just google true protein (as one word). Now YOU control the protein quality. Furthermore they hydrolyze a concentrate not and isolate. High grade hydrolyzed isolate is only 11.39/lb ordered online. This is cheaper than many whey isolates. I talked to a reliable guy on body space who said Anator p70 didn't work. So I suspect you have actually very low hydrolyzed fractions in there. Which is why they conveniently don't specify how much is there exactly....Just like companies that sell "proprietary" blends of isolate and concentrate. What is so proprietary is that it is like 90% cheap concentrate.

(B) Their ?Phenylgene? is just four different sources of phenylalanine. So do they know which source has the best pharmacology or not?!! Why not just use the one that works. I?m sure a good dose of just pure L-phenylalanine which you can buy yourself in bulk will be more than enough.

(C) The exact same reasoning goes for their ?Leucigene? and ?GENEtor.? Why through all those ethyl ester derivatives in there? My guess is it makes their product look more fancy.

In summary. You will notice I like M-T product, I take quite a few of them. But keep in mind that M-T is the king of hype, like that certain razor company with commercials of fighter Jets that always has some new vibrating model. So just try to be educated about what it is you are actually buying and why.

The bottom line. To buy all the ingredients I list in bulk will take an initial investment greater than an $80 bottle of Anator p70. However instead of a 1-month supply you will have a 3-month supply for the same price. Furthermore your mix will be far better quality.

Hmmmm, very interesting. I don't buy muscle-tech products on general principle alone, but I may give this lil creation a shot. Good lookin' out man, hope everything works out good for you.

[captain_swole]

Originally Posted by eryanb

(Anator Recipe)

Thanks a lot man, Anator is a great idea in terms of ingredients, but I don't want to trust my results to Muscletech's proprietary blends. Taking some time to get things individually will save you $ and most likely give you better results. My view on proprietary blends: if the blends were in favor of the consumer, then the companies would give the amounts of each individual ingredient.

[eryanb]

Originally Posted by rvngu

huh i notice that nobody replied to this despite all the views. isn`t phenylalanine kind of bad for neurones (like aspartame). and i also love the flyer for anator with gustavo showing his biceps with a blonde hanging on to him. ``if you want to attract the attention of hot ladies, you need bug guns like gustavo``. lol

Your confused. Phenylalanine is only bad for neurons for those who have a genetic disease known as phenylketonuria, which incidentally is a very rare disease.

Also the thread for dissing M-T hype is here: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4739553

[micdaddy]

Originally Posted by eryanb

Well these products will be effective and have science behind them, so if you have money to waste go for it.

However, they are easy to make yourself! Furthermore, for example as I will show below with my Anator p70 formulation, your home-made formulation can be 2X better quality and 1/10 the price!

My home made Anator p70: (I just got my high grade hydrolyzed whey isolate today and my waxy maize to come shipped ground from the U.S. this week). So the results of my home made Anator p70 will be visible in a few months by progress pics.

So the recipe: 40-60g of High grade whey protein hydrosylate (or do a 50:50 mix with hydrosylate and isolate), 40-60g of high glycemic index carbohydrate (e.g. gatorade, pure dextrose or maltodextrin, or the best?waxy maize), 6 capsules Leukic (and/or take a branched chain amino acid powder or a butt load of BCAA pills). Phenylalanine 1-2 grams, 5 grams creatine MONOHYDRATE.

The major advantages: (1) YOU CONTROL THE QUALITY. By the way. The reason they combine, leucine, phenylalanine, hydrosylate, and high glycemic index carbs is this specific combo has been shown by blood tests of fasting athletes to spike insulin levels by 100% greater compared to other combos. Insulin is required to transport amino acids into recovering muscle cells. Also keep in mind since insulin is a hormone, 100% increase means exponentially more than 100% increase in effect. This in summary means a substantially greater flux of amino acids into your recovering muscle cells post workout. That post-workout window when you can become catabolic or anabolic just as easily depending on your nutrition and availability of that nutrition is critical. Considering also that hydrolyzed isolate has been shown to bypass the stomach and go directly to the small intestine (80% of it actually), this means you are getting those amino acids with that insulin spike.

(A) Its quite funny the hype by M-T. They spray dry some maltodextrin, just a cheap source of carbs, throw in some hydrosylate of whey protein and call it ?ANA-DRIVE?. Actually waxy maize is a much better source of high glycemic index carbs. Furthermore they refuse to list how much of the protein in anator p70 is actually hydrolyzed di-, tri-peptides and other short oligomers. It could be 10% or less and the rest slow digesting concentrate. You can order your own 100% high grade hydrosylate. Just google true protein (as one word). Now YOU control the protein quality. Furthermore they hydrolyze a concentrate not and isolate. High grade hydrolyzed isolate is only 11.39/lb ordered online. This is cheaper than many whey isolates. I talked to a reliable guy on body space who said Anator p70 didn't work. So I suspect you have actually very low hydrolyzed fractions in there. Which is why they conveniently don't specify how much is there exactly....Just like companies that sell "proprietary" blends of isolate and concentrate. What is so proprietary is that it is like 90% cheap concentrate.

(B) Their ?Phenylgene? is just four different sources of phenylalanine. So do they know which source has the best pharmacology or not?!! Why not just use the one that works. I?m sure a good dose of just pure L-phenylalanine which you can buy yourself in bulk will be more than enough.

(C) The exact same reasoning goes for their ?Leucigene? and ?GENEtor.? Why through all those ethyl ester derivatives in there? My guess is it makes their product look more fancy.

In summary. You will notice I like M-T product, I take quite a few of them. But keep in mind that M-T is the king of hype, like that certain razor company with commercials of fighter Jets that always has some new vibrating model. So just try to be educated about what it is you are actually buying and why.

The bottom line. To buy all the ingredients I list in bulk will take an initial investment greater than an $80 bottle of Anator p70. However instead of a 1-month supply you will have a 3-month supply for the same price. Furthermore your mix will be far better quality.

Great post, thx!

[overcome430]

wow good write up. i just finished a bottle of anator that my friend gave to me because he didnt like the taste and had a good feed back from it. after about a week of using this and keeping a pretty hard diet i have to admitt that my body looked and felt harder than ever. from there i decided to get another bottle but after seeing the price of 80 bucks for 16 days worth of protein and createin i became a little hesitant. i think im going to try this way of yours and hope for the same results. thanks again for the write up

[DJMctits]

Great recipe OP, I have all the ingredients except Phenylalanine, whats the specific benefit to this amino acid?

[eryanb]

Originally Posted by DJMctits

Great recipe OP, I have all the ingredients except Phenylalanine, whats the specific benefit to this amino acid?

Clinical studies with a number of healthy adult males screened a number of amino acids individually but every time with the same high glycemic index carb. They found that with phenylalanine the insulin spike was 200% larger. This was not found with any of the other amino acids.

M-T used these studies to formulate their anator. The phenylalanine I found in bulk was a D/L mix which I don't recommend for this purpose. However, I was able to find a great deal on bottles of 50 X 500mg tabs on ebay.

[DJMctits]

Originally Posted by eryanb

Clinical studies with a number of healthy adult males screened a number of amino acids individually but every time with the same high glycemic index carb. They found that with phenylalanine the insulin spike was 200% larger. This was not found with any of the other amino acids.

M-T used these studies to formulate their anator. The phenylalanine I found in bulk was a D/L mix which I don't recommend for this purpose. However, I was able to find a great deal on bottles of 50 X 500mg tabs on ebay.

cool thanks, reps on recharge

is Now L-Phenylalanine (Free-Form) good for this purpose?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/phen.html

[eryanb]

Originally Posted by DJMctits

cool thanks, reps on recharge

is Now L-Phenylalanine (Free-Form) good for this purpose?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/phen.html

Ya. Good price too. I'd go with that.

[DJMctits]

^^^ Cool thanks again

[vazquez]

thank you, thats awesome, how is the taste of your homebrew compared to anator?

[eryanb]

Originally Posted by vazquez

thank you, thats awesome, how is the taste of your homebrew compared to anator?

That depends on what type of hydrolysate you use and what your carb source is. Most hydrolysates are very bitter. I doubt Anator has much hydrolysate in it since this is an expensive ingredient. You can buy a hydrolysate that has been cleaved to 80% dipeptides (PeptoPro) so even the proline peptides are cleaved (responsible for the bitterness) but this brand is almost $50/lb. For $9/lb you can buy regular hydrolyzed whey isolate and it is bitter but bearable.

If you used dextrose as your sweetener it will override the bitterness.

[Dwizzo]

What about cell-mass? How do you make homemade cell-mass? I don't think you can find bulk CEE-Malate anywhere can you?

[eryanb]

Originally Posted by Dwizzo

What about cell-mass? How do you make homemade cell-mass? I don't think you can find bulk CEE-Malate anywhere can you?

Go to the True Protein . com website and you will see all the ingredients are available in bulk....except L-phenylalanine. They sell only a D/L mix which I wouldn't recommend for this purpose.

[Dwizzo]

Originally Posted by eryanb

Go to the True Protein . com website and you will see all the ingredients are available in bulk....except L-phenylalanine. They sell only a D/L mix which I wouldn't recommend for this purpose.

The only creatine I see there is mono...

[eryanb]

Originally Posted by Dwizzo

The only creatine I see there is mono...

Look more closely. They have CEE, creatine gluconate, and dicreatine malate

[momotl]

Thanks...I love these threads!!!

I have taken Muscle tech Nitro Tech Hardcore and it has worked really well for me compare to using ON Whey. My muscle has gone bigger and harder and stronger using it for 1.5months. The only reason I bought it was being it was on sale at GNC. But I cannot afford dishing out the regular price at $69 cdn per tub. So your alternative is something to look into!!!

[DJMctits]

bump for good thread