Presidential Poll - (This one's not anonymous)

[Birdy69]

That and age. When you get older and have children you will see how the government programs help you and do a lot of research that you don't have to. Yes right now you have the time and drive to learn about everything but throw in a family and 1-2 jobs and you will look for the government deductions and programs to help. Young white men vote for Ron Paul. Because they are able to do everything themselves right now.

I supported him 4 years ago.

Ron Paul isn't for eliminating any social programs.

He just wants the states to handle some and he isn't going to eliminate federal medicare, welfare, or social security.

[Ashton117]

That and age. When you get older and have children you will see how the government programs help you and do a lot of research that you don't have to. Yes right now you have the time and drive to learn about everything but throw in a family and 1-2 jobs and you will look for the government deductions and programs to help. Young white men vote for Ron Paul. Because they are able to do everything themselves right now.

I supported him 4 years ago.

Government programs create huge inefficiency. It costs more to educate a student in a public school than a top academic private school

[Birdy69]

Government programs create huge inefficiency. It costs more to educate a student in a public school than a top academic private school

You can't bash public schools.

If not for public schools, I would never have graduated.

Believe it or not, **** happens. My dad got cancer and my mom left while I was in middle school. Fuk if we could afford private school.

[Freek314]

That and age. When you get older and have children you will see how the government programs help you and do a lot of research that you don't have to. Yes right now you have the time and drive to learn about everything but throw in a family and 1-2 jobs and you will look for the government deductions and programs to help. Young white men vote for Ron Paul. Because they are able to do everything themselves right now.

I supported him 4 years ago.

Please elaborate on why you think the research would not be done in a free market. Also, please tell us about the deductions and programs you draw help from.

[Freek314]

You can't bash public schools.

If not for public schools, I would never have graduated.

Believe it or not, **** happens. My dad got cancer and my mom left while I was in middle school. Fuk if we could afford private school.

He's saying that voucher programs actually cost less than the state running the school, while at the same time being more effective.

[Birdy69]

He's saying that voucher programs actually cost less than the state running the school, while at the same time being more effective.

Private schools more effective? My public school **** on private schools.

The private school kids that transferred to my school were... weird. Please please do not make us send our kids to those monstrosities in Texas. FFS, there probably isn't a private school within 50 miles that isn't freaky Christian fundamentalist.

Private schools here seriously brainwash kids.

[ONtop888]

Voted before I was logged in, but you can bet your sweet ass it was for Ron Paul and not Obama OP.

[ONtop888]

Private schools more effective? My public school **** on private schools.

The private school kids that transferred to my school were... weird. Please please do not make us send our kids to those monstrosities in Texas. FFS, there probably isn't a private school within 50 miles that isn't freaky Christian fundamentalist.

Private schools here seriously brainwash kids.

Voucher programs don't force you to go to private schools, they just give the ability to go to a private school in case you were stuck in a ghetto/redneck district in which all the public schools blow.

[Freek314]

Private schools more effective? My public school **** on private schools.

The private school kids that transferred to my school were... weird. Please please do not make us send our kids to those monstrosities in Texas. FFS, there probably isn't a private school within 50 miles that isn't freaky Christian fundamentalist.

Private schools here seriously brainwash kids.

Then the vouchers would go to the public schools until an enterprising educator started a less religious private school. Private schools who do not accept teachers' unions time and time again perform miles above public schools subject to bureaucratic forms of job security in favor of under-performing teachers.

[Keenl3ody]

Voucher programs don't force you to go to private schools, they just give the ability to go to a private school in case you were stuck in a ghetto/redneck district in which all the public schools blow.

this. I went to a private school? it costs 10k a kid each year to go through school in the current system, that's more expensive then my private school was. then again I went to a private middle and public high

[Keenl3ody]

That and age. When you get older and have children you will see how the government programs help you and do a lot of research that you don't have to. Yes right now you have the time and drive to learn about everything but throw in a family and 1-2 jobs and you will look for the government deductions and programs to help. Young white men vote for Ron Paul. Because they are able to do everything themselves right now.

I supported him 4 years ago.

ah but see I'm smarter then that. I'm not gonna have any kids (on purpose) when I need assistance. of course I believe some people honestly need help and I don't accept help because I can live without it. I just don't like how inneficient it is. I grew up around people who abused that system to get high

my "plan" is to get out of college with a good job and THEN have kids working 40 hours a week. and what's all the time have to do with it? I've pretty much been there with shortness of time. I've worked 2 full time and one part time job. I've had one week paychecks with 90 hours. and currently I'm working 45+ hours and going to school 15 hours, pretty busy in my eyes

[feedmelies]

Representin'.

[Ashton117]

Private schools more effective? My public school **** on private schools.

The private school kids that transferred to my school were... weird. Please please do not make us send our kids to those monstrosities in Texas. FFS, there probably isn't a private school within 50 miles that isn't freaky Christian fundamentalist.

Private schools here seriously brainwash kids.

strong xenophobia
guarantee whatever public school you went to doesn't outshine the school I attended

[metroins]

He's saying that voucher programs actually cost less than the state running the school, while at the same time being more effective.

To answer your other questions, well actually I won't because that has nothing to do with what we are discussing. I'm not going to flip from why I believe RP has such a huge support base online from (my belief, young white men) to doing research on private vs. government funding. There is no correlation, the thread is about presidential candidates.

ah but see I'm smarter then that. I'm not gonna have any kids (on purpose) when I need assistance. of course I believe some people honestly need help and I don't accept help because I can live without it. I just don't like how inneficient it is. I grew up around people who abused that system to get high

my "plan" is to get out of college with a good job and THEN have kids working 40 hours a week. and what's all the time have to do with it? I've pretty much been there with shortness of time. I've worked 2 full time and one part time job. I've had one week paychecks with 90 hours. and currently I'm working 45+ hours and going to school 15 hours, pretty busy in my eyes

I got you, I'm on the same page. I haven't had children yet, we are waiting until we are 29-30. I'm just stating we have a different view then Senior citizens, baby boomers and other older or different races. Senior citizens don't care about dismantling the government, baby boomers are just trying to reach retirement and people our age with disadvantages are worried about how to even live a mediocre life. Everybody has their priorities which the majority of Americans are not in line with Ron Pauls.

The only front runners that can possibly touch Obama in a debate are Gingrich or Paul. Romney does well in debates because he knows how to close his mouth; Obama is a master debater (He's ****ing good), whoever the GOP puts against him will need to be prepared. Cain/Perry/Bachman have diarrhea from the mouth, there's no point, they will look foolish. Paul I can't support due to the extremes which I think some are good but just not the right time and some are off into outer-space;Gingrich I don't know enough of his policies other than he was the former Speaker, I imagine he is the GOP's nominee unless they go with Romney (I doubt it but I like Romney more than Gingrich because of his Health Care and Obamacare is one of my strongest issues).

I predict Gingrich vs. Obama; however, I was wrong in 2008 because I said there was no way we would elect a black guy. I've been wrong in almost every election, I liked Paul or Romney in 2008 and I liked Nader before them.

[Birdy69]

strong xenophobia
guarantee whatever public school you went to doesn't outshine the school I attended

No, there were tons of normal Christians at my school. These other kids sometimes came from the private school and had weird-ass morals and didn't know how to socially interact.

Some were ok, but they were usually the ones that were very very social outside of school too.

[Freek314]

To answer your other questions, well actually I won't because that has nothing to do with what we are discussing. I'm not going to flip from why I believe RP has such a huge support base online from (my belief, young white men) to doing research on private vs. government funding. There is no correlation, the thread is about presidential candidates.

So you refuse to justify your beliefs in a clear and concise manner, instead opting to simply say that people need to depend on their government for their needs?

The thread may be about presidential candidates, but neither your initial post nor my questions had to do with that topic. They concerned the debatable role of and need for government programs in the context of living standards of American citizens.

[f355f1]

What are the deadlines for the primaries? i.e. when do guys that know they aren't winning start dropping off?

What dates should I be paying attention to? etc.

[Freek314]

What are the deadlines for the primaries? i.e. when do guys that know they aren't winning start dropping off?

What dates should I be paying attention to? etc.

First primaries are Jan 3. Breitbart is supposed to release some controversial information 30 days beforehand, as well.

[f355f1]

First primaries are Jan 3. Breitbart is supposed to release some controversial information 30 days beforehand, as well.

Controversial info in regards to who? That's less then 2 weeks from now

[metroins]

So you refuse to justify your beliefs in a clear and concise manner, instead opting to simply say that people need to depend on their government for their needs?

The thread may be about presidential candidates, but neither your initial post nor my questions had to do with that topic. They concerned the debatable role of and need for government programs in the context of living standards of American citizens.

I made 4 posts with over 10 paragraphs and you hone in on one sentence about research which has nothing to do with the other 1,000 words or the theme of the thread/post. If you want to spout off 40 pages of research/quotes on government vs. private research feel free, I am talking about the GOP presidential candidates. If you want to follow with the theme of my posts/thread, I'll be gladly to engage you.

[Freek314]

I made 4 posts with over 10 paragraphs and you hone in on one sentence about research which has nothing to do with the other 1,000 words or the theme of the thread/post. If you want to spout off 40 pages of research/quotes on government vs. private research feel free, I am talking about the GOP presidential candidates. If you want to follow with the theme of my posts/thread, I'll be gladly to engage you.

Answer the questions, then?

[nutsy54]

What are the deadlines for the primaries? i.e. when do guys that know they aren't winning start dropping off?

What dates should I be paying attention to? etc.

"Super Tuesday" is March 6, when the first large group of primaries occurs...

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/events.phtml?s=c

[f355f1]

"Super Tuesday" is March 6, when the first large group of primaries occurs...

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/events.phtml?s=c

Thanks

[nutsy54]

Hmmm... 47 voters listed for Ron Paul, but somehow he has 70 votes

Looks like they still haven't fixed the bug in bb.com polls - vote from a browser with cookies disabled, and you can keep adding "votes" endlessly.

[Judgment]

Hmmm... 47 voters listed for Ron Paul, but somehow he has 70 votes

Looks like they still haven't fixed the bug in bb.com polls - vote from a browser with cookies disabled, and you can keep adding "votes" endlessly.

Either way he's still in the lead.

[Ashton117]

[nutsy54]

Either way he's still in the lead.

Which really makes the fraudin' useless, huh?

[Freek314]

Which really makes the fraudin' useless, huh?

Sometimes I honestly believe that people who vehemently oppose Paul flood polls in his favor to make it seem skewed due to his "fanatic supporters"...

[BEATINGU]

Which really makes the fraudin' useless, huh?

Who are you leaning towards Nutsy?

[nutsy54]

Who are you leaning towards Nutsy?

Whoever is not Obama...

Except Ron Paul lost my support four years ago, with his extremely naive foreign policy beliefs and pandering to the Alex Jones crowd. And lately, it seems like every other sentence needs to contain the phrase "End the Fed", as if that is the cause of every problem we face.

No strong opinion either way on the rest - and too early at this stage to really care.