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Be On The Lookout!
OBFBodybuilding.Com IS OFFICIALLY UP AND RUNNING!
ALSO...
EDIT: The next contest will be announced in a FEW DAYS!
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08-08-2007, 09:51 PM
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#692
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Doing Work Son!
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Had some morning cardio, later, lifted same circuit as before. However, only one set. Pushed for 40 reps, had a rough time hitting it.
Going to mess around a bit with protein/carbs and see if I can get some cuts or something. Try to get some photos this Sunday if weather permitting.
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08-09-2007, 09:30 PM
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That's okay ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProWrestleFan
Sad update??? Hopefully not...
As of right now, duw to lack of funds, the winner will be recieving a certificate but not the trophy at this time. The trophy WILL COME within a month or two but it wont be right off the bat... The certificate will though.
Reason for this is due to me deploying in a month and I have a ton of crap I need to buy right now. And obviously since there is no income from the OBF, the bank is at $0...
Priorities I guess. But dont think I did, or will, forget. The winner WILL recieve a trophy. Just not right away.
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That's okay. I already made myself a trophy.
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08-09-2007, 09:38 PM
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That's okay. I already made myself a trophy.
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lol..awesome!! reps on recharge man!
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08-09-2007, 09:48 PM
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#695
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Quote:
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That's okay. I already made myself a trophy.
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LMAO!!! Nice Anti-Bonk!!!!
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08-10-2007, 03:46 PM
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Just a little time left. This has been a great experience. When I talk to people about working out, all I can talk about is this contest. I know we have all worked hard and everyone should be very proud of where they are. I hope this contest doesn't end everyones training but more like the first step in you physical fitness. Keep pushing and keep reaching for your goals.
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08-10-2007, 05:52 PM
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Doing Work Son!
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Taking time off from weights until this is over. Just some diet and cardio til the end. Will take some photos this Sunday weather permitting. Then some more on Thursday. See how it comes out.
It has been great! Looking forward to the next contest announcement from the OBF.
Keep plugging transformers, one week left. Lets go out sharp!
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08-11-2007, 08:35 AM
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#698
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Three D :)
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Tomorrow is Sunday and I will do my pictures and will post it here. Thanks you kept my motivation to the competition..... I hope I will meet you in some thread again.
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08-11-2007, 11:12 AM
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#699
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The contest is almost done! The prizes are sitting in my house ready to be shipped out!
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08-11-2007, 12:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProWrestleFan
The contest is almost done! The prizes are sitting in my house ready to be shipped out!
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Don't you dare open them!!
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08-11-2007, 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gfriedel
Don't you dare open them!! 
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Winner- WTF? I won but my tubs were only half full?
ProWrestleFan- Must have been customs...
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08-11-2007, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapper564
Winner- WTF? I won but my tubs were only half full?
ProWrestleFan- Must have been customs...
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WTF?? What you typed up there makes no sense??
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08-12-2007, 12:49 PM
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Three D :)
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Hi all, so today is SUNDAY here the 12th of August.
I did my pictures today morning.......because tomorrow I will be pretty bussy - and will have no time to make it.
How I said - after the competition I got rid of all suplements almost and I started to eat about 200g of carbs a day. But my metabolism was pretty slow. So I gained a lot of weight. Mainly in underskin water, but also in fats. I dont know what had happened, but my estrogene levels increased....
These days my weight is under controll again and started to go down. But in fact I think I am in the same shape almost I was on start.... well I am stil learning. For the next time - I have to drop all supplements slowly, eat clean and my diet have to be not so strict.....
You kept me on my track untill my competition in June. Thanks. I have a new goal and new way - and now it is really big!
PS> newspapers are bought yesterday 11th August....
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08-12-2007, 02:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gfriedel
Don't you dare open them!! 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapper564
Winner- WTF? I won but my tubs were only half full?
ProWrestleFan- Must have been customs...
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Originally Posted by gfriedel
WTF?? What you typed up there makes no sense?? 
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How about like this
The winner(who ever wins) says tp PWF----- WTF? I won but my tubs were only half full?
ProWrestleFan says to the winner -----------------Must have been customs...honest
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08-12-2007, 03:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapper564
How about like this
The winner(who ever wins) says tp PWF----- WTF? I won but my tubs were only half full?
ProWrestleFan says to the winner -----------------Must have been customs...honest
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But in reality it was me using the stuff! I get it, lol. Dont know why George didn't.
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08-12-2007, 04:30 PM
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Quote:
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But in reality it was me using the stuff! I get it, lol. Dont know why George didn't.
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I think its because he is from NJ..
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08-12-2007, 05:20 PM
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Doing Work Son!
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OBF Final Pics and Stats
Hey everyone. I need to post my final pics now. I start a class this week and will not have time to get out and get some photos. So, I went out and had the wife shoot a few at Garden of the Gods.
Finishing Statistics are as follows:
Weight: 211lbs
Bodyfat: 7.5%
Chest: 48
Arms: 16.75
Hips: 41
Waist: 34.5
Thighs: 25
Calves: 16.5
Forearms: 12.5
Neck: 17
Photos:
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...CN4039_2-1.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...5-16_015_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...17-7_006_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSCN4044_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSCN4043_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSCN4039_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSCN4025_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSCN4034_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSCN4038_2.jpg
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...t=DSCN4062.jpg
OBF/Gfriedel - How ever this thing pans out; I want to let you know I appreciate everything this competition has provided me. New body, invigorated zest for healthy living, as well as new short and long term life goals. The idea and intent behind Online Bodybuilding and different types of competitions like this transformation contest is wonderful. In all, I have had a wonderful time and am very pleased with my results. All of which I would not have pushed for with out this opportunity.
All contestants - Thank you for being here online and all the encouragement.
Sapper - Thanks for your support as well. I look forward to cheering you on when you get your shot.
To all - If you are ever in Colorado Springs, look me up.
I will keep checking in this week and posting. As well as seeing everyone's great final pictures. Again, thanks so much everyone - This has been a wonderful experience!
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08-12-2007, 06:20 PM
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Quote:
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I think its because he is from NJ.. 
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STFU
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08-12-2007, 07:18 PM
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Wow man awesome pics, Great conditioning!
And very thick solid Back!
You look awesome man, I can tell you have put alot of harwork in and out of the gym!
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08-12-2007, 08:23 PM
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Did not get to post much this week due to the busy-ness of life. I did get some good workouts in. Mostly high reps / low to medium weights for a change-up. Also did some mountain biking today. I leave tomorrow morning for vacation down to Florida and will be getting back Thursday night. So I will probably have to wait til Friday morning to post pics. I took some back-up pics earlier just in case.
Hope everyone who hasn't posted yet has a good final week. Bronwyn- your pics still look great no matter what, and Baggy- hmmmm, what can I say??? I think my thoughts would best be expressed in the words of Wayne and Garth...
"We're Not Worthy ! ! ! We're Not Worthy ! ! !"
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08-12-2007, 09:16 PM
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Baggy B.... YOU MADE A HUGE TRANSFORMATION! Good luck, I can't wait to see the rest of the final shots!
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08-12-2007, 11:33 PM
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Three D :)
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Baggy - what to say more, than congrats - you did a great change and looks super!
anti-bonk - thanks.
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08-12-2007, 11:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronwyn
Hi all, so today is SUNDAY here the 12th of August.
I did my pictures today morning.......because tomorrow I will be pretty bussy - and will have no time to make it.
How I said - after the competition I got rid of all suplements almost and I started to eat about 200g of carbs a day. But my metabolism was pretty slow. So I gained a lot of weight. Mainly in underskin water, but also in fats. I dont know what had happened, but my estrogene levels increased....
These days my weight is under controll again and started to go down. But in fact I think I am in the same shape almost I was on start.... well I am stil learning. For the next time - I have to drop all supplements slowly, eat clean and my diet have to be not so strict.....
You kept me on my track untill my competition in June. Thanks. I have a new goal and new way - and now it is really big!
PS> newspapers are bought yesterday 11th August....
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Great Job by both of you!!!! It shows that you really worked hard & made outstanding progress!!!
I can't wait to see everyone else's pictures!!
Good Luck to everyone!!!
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08-13-2007, 12:51 PM
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Pictures / Transformation
hey guys, the transformations look amazing!!! Great Job!!!
For me to announce the truth, I have fallen off of the band wagon. Not with my diet but with making sure I do my cardio etc...I will still post my final pictures, but with working so much and trying to finish school, and take care of the family, my results won't be wait I was going for...so for now...I have really enjoyed this contest, it is was amazing to be able to be apart of it; I would like to do another one in the near future...Good Luck to everyone!!!
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08-13-2007, 08:39 PM
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good pics man. I'll post mine tommorrow if i get up early and buy a dagum newspaper lol wat if i jus get a peice of paper that says this is such and such date lol
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08-15-2007, 07:57 AM
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2 Days and all final photos MUST be in... Midnight on the 17th is the cutoff.
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08-15-2007, 02:37 PM
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Well here are mine
I didn't get where i wanted but i did managae to add more definition to my back. After those two bodybuilding comps my weight did shoot back up from 153 to 162 but in the pics im at 156. But the whole experience was worth my time. I will compete in another probably in the spring.
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08-16-2007, 11:55 AM
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Okay, to clear come possible confusion, the rules stated to have your final pics ready by August 17..... So.....
At MIDNIGHT (CENTRAL TIME) on August 17, 2007 the contest is OFFICIALL OVER and will be judged with resulted released IN A NEW THREAD titled 'OBF Summer Classic Champion'....
AS OF RIGHT NOW ONLY
Bronwyn
BaggyB
IronMikeX
HAVE POSTED THEIR FINAL SHOTS! By midnight tomorrow you need to have in your photos. Anything past midnight WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED! I don't want to sound mean or strict but in order to run a credible organization I have to stick by original rules set in place by myself.
GOOD LUCK!
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08-16-2007, 12:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProWrestleFan
Okay, to clear come possible confusion, the rules stated to have your final pics ready by August 17..... So.....
At MIDNIGHT (CENTRAL TIME) on August 17, 2007 the contest is OFFICIALL OVER and will be judged with resulted released IN A NEW THREAD titled 'OBF Summer Classic Champion'....
AS OF RIGHT NOW ONLY
Bronwyn
BaggyB
IronMikeX
HAVE POSTED THEIR FINAL SHOTS! By midnight tomorrow you need to have in your photos. Anything past midnight WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED! I don't want to sound mean or strict but in order to run a credible organization I have to stick by original rules set in place by myself.
GOOD LUCK!
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^^^^^^^What PWF said!!!
We are waiting for the final pics from:
Tgibby8
Muscle Girl 22
Anti-Bonk
Bren2142
Get those pics in!!!!
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08-16-2007, 10:01 PM
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I know, I know. I will have mine tomorrow. Everyone has done a great job. Thanks again for the contest.
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