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SergeFanNYC · 08-08-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SergeFanNYC

Serge,

I only have about 1 hour 45 minutes / maybe 2 hours to train a day. So what I have been doing is this:

50 minutes chest (10 minutes rest, allowing blood to stay there)
50 minutes legs (10 minutes rest, allowing blood to stay there)

And then I do the same for each of the other days

50 minutes back / 10 minutes rest
50 minutes hams / 10 minutes rest

50 minutes delts / 10 minutes rest
30 minutes arms / 10 minutes rest

repeat

Of course, only between 30 - 45 second rest, and my reps sometimes go to 10 reps but that is the lowest.

So Serge, with Calves included, do you think this is good because of my limited schedule?

jonny62 · 08-08-2007, 03:15 AM

do what u can do cos u cant do much more.

hope that made a shread of sence.

musclePavel · 08-08-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pro Serge Nubret

Every time a muscle will be affect by the workout of the other one, so you think that you should not train at all because of that?...

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hahaha, why train when you can get fat and ungly?

musclePavel · 08-08-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jonny62

do what u can do cos u cant do much more.

hope that made a shread of sence.

whatever you think you can do or not do , your right

jonny62 · 08-08-2007, 07:07 AM

JSF1991 · 08-08-2007, 01:41 PM

Hello Serge,

I first saw pictures of you in Arnold's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding. I think you had one of the best chests in bodybuilding history. I have been trying to improve my own chest and I looked at your workout programs and some of your training advice. I may include some of your advice in my own workouts. I currently follow Arnold's routine and have found that training each muscle 2 times per week with high volume works best just as you say.

alex////doom · 08-08-2007, 02:24 PM

Hey everyone i was wondering if you guys would be interested in seeing my arm workout on a video and posting it here

conan25 · 08-08-2007, 02:41 PM

Started it a month ago and I'm still sore.

musclePavel · 08-08-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by alex////doom

Hey everyone i was wondering if you guys would be interested in seeing my arm workout on a video and posting it here

sure man, that would be pretty cool

chris2489 · 08-08-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro Serge Nubret

Every time a muscle will be affect by the workout of the other one, so you think that you should not train at all because of that?...

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Yes, I know that, it's called indirect effect. But doing triceps then chest will affect the recovery time for the triceps. No, I don't think you shouldn't train that would be dumb. I would just think to seperate the triceps with chest to give them more recovery time. personally I do full body HIT workouts so everything done in one day then i rest recover then repeat. I was just curious on how you are pressing with sore triceps?

SergeFanNYC · 08-09-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chris2489

Yes, I know that, it's called indirect effect. But doing triceps then chest will affect the recovery time for the triceps. No, I don't think you shouldn't train that would be dumb. I would just think to seperate the triceps with chest to give them more recovery time. personally I do full body HIT workouts so everything done in one day then i rest recover then repeat. I was just curious on how you are pressing with sore triceps?

HIT requires a day of recovery between routines because you're lifting more weight and stressing your ligaments and tendons much more than this routine. The point of HIT is to build strength. The point of Serge's routine is to only build muscle while not putting on unnecessary bulk.

HIT will definitely increase your weight much faster than Serge's, but only because you're burning many LESS calories and resting more often. If you train only every other day then you are already training less than Serge's routine.

My triceps were not overly sore where I couldn't train them, but yes they were sore. After the 3rd week, no more soreness. Just continous progression in either reps, less rest time, or more weight.

But then the same person who was curious about HIT may ask, "How can you build muscle by training with only 1 or 2 sets?"

HIT is good for its goals of strength and mass at any cost. Serge's routine is good for muscle and fat loss - two completely different goals, two completely different styles.

Druluv75 · 08-09-2007, 09:52 AM

Serge, I was wondering if you can go over your diet a little bit, How many carbs, protein, and fat were you taking when you were at your best. What supplements did you use during that time.

jonny62 · 08-09-2007, 09:59 AM

He has said before that he doesnt cound calories per say but recomends u take in about 600g's of protein daily.

as for suplaments - none.

repitout! · 08-09-2007, 01:08 PM

OMG Serge Nubret what a legend!!

hands down man u had the best midsection that has ever been on that Olympia stage!

i was wondering if u kept them visible during the off season?

regards jay!

musclePavel · 08-09-2007, 01:08 PM

serge, who is the guy next to you? he has a pretty big chest as well... but perhaps a little disproportionet to his body..

jonny62 · 08-09-2007, 01:10 PM

bertil fox

musclePavel · 08-09-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jonny62

bertil fox

oh shi,t is that big fox=) didnt recognize him

musclePavel · 08-09-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by repitout!

OMG Serge Nubret what a legend!!

hands down man u had the best midsection that has ever been on that Olympia stage!

i was wondering if u kept them visible during the off season?

regards jay!

the thing is that Serge never had an "off season" he was lean and cut year around.. as he puts it, he is a bodybuilder 365 days a year not only 2-3 days...

How many pullups are you guys doing? Today i did 12 reps for 2 sets, 2 set with 10 and one with 5 reps.with about 1 minute in between... perhaps 1minute 30 sec

repitout! · 08-09-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by musclePavel

the thing is that Serge never had an "off season" he was lean and cut year around.. as he puts it, he is a bodybuilder 365 days a year not only 2-3 days...

How many pullups are you guys doing? Today i did 12 reps for 2 sets, 2 set with 10 and one with 5 reps.with about 1 minute in between... perhaps 1minute 30 sec

i guess thats a good way of looking at it, like lee haney said "if u can't flex, don't carry it!

for pullups the most i have ever done is 41, although i did not go all the way down and fully stretch my arms, i did them quick, fairly short but not too short, constantly keeping tension on my lats i feel them much better this way.

chris2489 · 08-09-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SergeFanNYC

HIT requires a day of recovery between routines because you're lifting more weight and stressing your ligaments and tendons much more than this routine. The point of HIT is to build strength. The point of Serge's routine is to only build muscle while not putting on unnecessary bulk.

HIT will definitely increase your weight much faster than Serge's, but only because you're burning many LESS calories and resting more often. If you train only every other day then you are already training less than Serge's routine.

My triceps were not overly sore where I couldn't train them, but yes they were sore. After the 3rd week, no more soreness. Just continous progression in either reps, less rest time, or more weight.

But then the same person who was curious about HIT may ask, "How can you build muscle by training with only 1 or 2 sets?"

HIT is good for its goals of strength and mass at any cost. Serge's routine is good for muscle and fat loss - two completely different goals, two completely different styles.

Just so you know I'm not comparing HIT with Serge's routine. I was just saying what I do. Since he asked why train if your afraid to overlap muscles?

I agree that there different styles but your comparison isn't accurate. Serge's routine builds muscle. HIT builds muscle. Fat loss is about diet. The point of HIT is to build MUSCLE by Progressing in strength. You won't put on "unnecessary bulk" if you adjust your calories. Also for a natural who does HIT you need more than a day between to recover 100%.

Anyway you answered my question on how you do triceps then chest, you adapt over time.

trem0lo · 08-09-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chris2489

Serge's routine builds muscle. HIT builds muscle. Fat loss is about diet.

Ahhh that's where you're mistaken. Serge's routine builds muscle AND cuts fat at the same time. That's why it's better. Try it for a month and you'll see why

chris2489 · 08-09-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by trem0lo

Ahhh that's where you're mistaken. Serge's routine builds muscle AND cuts fat at the same time. That's why it's better. Try it for a month and you'll see why

I am going to try it for a while. However, whether I'm doing HIT or not I can lose weight and build muscle, it's not that hard if you know what your doing. I figure I would try serges routine since I'm looking to lose weight and training this way i will be able lose weight without doing cardio,where as if I was doing HIT I would have to do cardio.

trem0lo · 08-09-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chris2489

I am going to try it for a while. However, whether I'm doing HIT or not I can lose weight and build muscle, it's not that hard if you know what your doing. I figure I would try serges routine since I'm looking to lose weight and training this way i will be able lose weight without doing cardio,where as if I was doing HIT I would have to do cardio.

Yea man cardio is the main reason I started this routine. I was sick of running intervals on the treadmill 3-4 times per week to lose weight, plus it was hell on my leg training. Turns out I dropped a pant size 2-3 weeks after I started Serge's training and gained a ton of muscle. Keep us updated on how you're doing.

chris2489 · 08-09-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by trem0lo

Yea man cardio is the main reason I started this routine. I was sick of running intervals on the treadmill 3-4 times per week to lose weight, plus it was hell on my leg training. Turns out I dropped a pant size 2-3 weeks after I started Serge's training and gained a ton of muscle. Keep us updated on how you're doing.

I will keep you guys updated. My goal is to get to a real lean 175lbs. How much weight did you have to drop from your exercises from your previous training?

trem0lo · 08-09-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chris2489

I will keep you guys updated. My goal is to get to a real lean 175lbs. How much weight did you have to drop from your exercises from your previous training?

I posted some info about this a few pages back, listing specific weights and such... but in short, a lot! For the first few workouts you'll be sore and feel pretty weak benching comparatively minuscule amounts of weight. You progress quickly though, I promise! I'm still adding 5 pounds to my flat bench every 4 chest workouts.

SergeFanNYC · 08-10-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chris2489

I will keep you guys updated. My goal is to get to a real lean 175lbs. How much weight did you have to drop from your exercises from your previous training?

About 1/2. What are your stats now? Forgive me if you posted them already.

SergeFanNYC · 08-10-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chris2489

Just so you know I'm not comparing HIT with Serge's routine. I was just saying what I do. Since he asked why train if your afraid to overlap muscles?

I agree that there different styles but your comparison isn't accurate. Serge's routine builds muscle. HIT builds muscle. Fat loss is about diet. The point of HIT is to build MUSCLE by Progressing in strength. You won't put on "unnecessary bulk" if you adjust your calories. Also for a natural who does HIT you need more than a day between to recover 100%.

Anyway you answered my question on how you do triceps then chest, you adapt over time.

No offense, but if you're really just 18, I don't think you've had enough experience with HIT to see what it does to you. I did it for 2 years straight and yes I bulked up and got some strength, but I was not ripped, could not get ripped, and when I dieted down I couldn't lift the weights intensely enough that I did when I was eating normally or MORE than usual.

When you move to a more modified version of HIT called MHIT (look it up) then you can start building strength / muscle again on a lower calorie diet.

Yes, of course fat loss is a function of diet. I don't see where I stated that it wasn't. What I did state was that HIT will put on mass which includes not just muscle but bulk from water, muscle waste products, muscle itself, and fat, probably in that order. HIT will also first strengthen tendons and ligaments before it gets to muscle.

The muscle gain from HIT is a side effect of your strength, not the other way around, which is what Serge is trying to teach us - if you have a big muscle, you are strong. So why not take a safer route to get the big muscle - which will make you strong - rather than trying to make your muscle big with very heavy weights which will hurt you down the road?

Kiwi_ · 08-10-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pro Serge Nubret

I don't know about every body else, but about me I was always carefull about what I was doing, I mean concerning my training, and what I was eating or taking.

Taking?

Serge_My_Hero · 08-10-2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pro Serge Nubret

Some time just tack a week off can be good too, but let you body talk to you. but if you tacke one week off just be carefull of what you are eating.

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Today will be my first day back working out after taking 5 days off in a row. I listened to my body and took a break after going for 13 weeks without missing a workout. Now I'm ready for phase two of Serge's program! Phase one was the beginning, getting my body accustomed to the training and workouts. Now is the time for really connecting my mind, body, and spirit as one with the training!

Glad to see Serge is back from vacation!

musclePavel · 08-10-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Serge_My_Hero

Today will be my first day back working out after taking 5 days off in a row. I listened to my body and took a break after going for 13 weeks without missing a workout. Now I'm ready for phase two of Serge's program! Phase one was the beginning, getting my body accustomed to the training and workouts. Now is the time for really connecting my mind, body, and spirit as one with the training!

Glad to see Serge is back from vacation!

keep up the good work!