can someone provide me with an outline or cliffs of this workout program? (reps)
or link me to the posts that give an outline?
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Thread: Growth Stimulus Training (GST)
05-10-2010, 06:11 AM #1441
05-10-2010, 06:40 AM #1442
You can read through the first two pages of this thread, which has an outline that is becoming a bit outdated due to the evolution of the program. Although some things have changed, the first two pages will give you 'cliffs' that you're looking for.
If you want to get the most out of the program and know everything about it, invest the $30.00 and get in on the eBook with the free program design bonus that is going on right now. You can get the book at www.2020-wellness.com.
I offer both worlds because I want people on the program, but I know now everyone is going to be willing to invest into it. The program is excellent, as you can see by what participants have to say about it throughout the thread. Whichever option you choose(eBook or cliffs), I thank you for using GST.
Also, any questions you have, just ask in here or PM me.Have a coaching, training, nutrition question? PM me!
05-10-2010, 06:41 AM #1443
05-10-2010, 08:55 AM #1444
Ryan I have question on an article from your website "Eating like a bird, Training like an animal"
First off, I am in way trying to disrespect you, I am just trying to understand you're philosophy on it, because it somewhat goes against what I have come to know.
Why does eating too little hurt your progress in the gym? My client’s maintenance level with activity factored in was 1400 calories per day. In one day, her body burns 1400 calories in order to keep her alive, well, and able to perform her daily activities. In order for her to gain weight, she needed to eat above 1400 calories per day. In order for her to maintain weight, she needed to eat 1400 calories per day. In order for her to lose weight, she needed to eat under 1400 calories per day. I told her that she should be setting her calories around 1200 and we would adjust accordingly based on her body’s response. Her body responded well and she dropped in weight, was happy with where she was headed, and everything seemed fine. Unfortunately, a couple of months later we ran into trouble.
She had stalled her metabolism out and was actually gaining fat! I knew that the first place to look was her diet and that she probably changed her habits. Her workouts were consistent and were based on the same concepts that had provided her with strong results since the beginning of our training relationship, so this wasn’t the problem area. Upon request, she listed out her daily food intake for me and sure enough, she was back to eating less than 1000 calories per day! She had it so ingrained in her mind from the past that eating less would get her farther, that she abandoned our plan and dropped an additional 300 calories from her daily intake on her own! When your total calorie intake is 1200, and you drop 300 calories, that’s 25% of your daily calorie intake! That is a significant percentage and is much too large of a drop to be made suddenly. She had made a classic mistake and was eating like a bird while she was working out like an animal!
The numbers don’t lie! Her maintenance calories were 1400, her intake was 900, she was digging herself deeper and deeper into a hole of undereating. This was causing her body to slow down its metabolism and hang onto fat to accommodate her new calorie intake. The body stores fat, as it is the most useful energy source in a time of bodily stress. She told me that she was only eating because “she knew she should be, not because she was hungry.” She was basically never hungry! This was a red flag for me that her body had come to a halt. She said she could “miss meals for half of a day and not feel hungry.” When you’re running in a fat burning mode, you should be feeling hungry every 2-4 hours, definitely not every 8-12 hours.
I want to understand this more, because this is something I am trying to do for myself. Workout (maybe with GST), and continuously lose Body Fat.
05-10-2010, 09:04 AM #1445
Hey 2020 sorry I feel like I betrayed you a bit haha.
I know I said I would be following your program but I found a different style of training that I enjoy very much and since my only goal right now is strength I figured I shouldn't put it off. I prefer less structure more intuition, less thought more feel, less reps more weight and more sets.
I'll most likely still be buying your book soon because it is a stellar program and I might find it suits my needs farther down the road. I'm sure there are plenty of good tidbits I can find throughout to apply to my current training anyway.
ThanksPlanted like a tree beside the river of truth.
05-10-2010, 09:39 AM #1446
05-10-2010, 09:43 AM #1447
In all honesty, if you're doing a pure strength program you should be tracking weights and percentages even more! When you say you are going by feel with less structure, that doesn't sound too advantageous. The best pure strength training programs out there all have PLENTY of structure and planning behind them.
I'll look forward to your eBook purchase and will put together a solid program for you for future use if you get your purchase in within the bonus offer time frame.
Good luck with your goals,
RyanHave a coaching, training, nutrition question? PM me!
05-10-2010, 09:51 AM #1448
is there any other ways that you can put your workouts in order: Ex. if i dont want to do the squat/pull/lift/press rotation what other ways can i put them in order?
05-10-2010, 09:57 AM #1449
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05-10-2010, 10:02 AM #1450
If you had 3 days of rest between them, you could have the squat and pulls back to back. This would help avoid any muscle overlap, but I still recommend the upper lower upper lower type of planning.Have a coaching, training, nutrition question? PM me!
05-10-2010, 10:08 AM #1451
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Hey Ryan btw, my hammies are still sore as hell from my lift day on Saturday. Those reverse lunges followed by RDL's and Good mornings were killer. I look like I'm sneaking up on everyone today I'm walking so gingerly haha. Great stuff.Online Training Services available. PM me for details.
05-10-2010, 10:10 AM #1452
May 10 press
May 12 Squat
May 14 Pull
May 16 Lift
May 18 Press
May 20 (Test day) and i'll squat after i do the test
does that look alright?
05-10-2010, 10:10 AM #1453
What do you think about subbing in squats on the Smith machine for my 4th Micro? I usually do them on the free rack. There is honestly no one in my gym that I slightly trust for a spot so Smith's on my heaviest squat day makes sense I think.
Also do you have a rec as to when do certain rep schemes for the supp lifts? I know you say in the book that you should go for the high set/low reps when you feel the best. But I am wondering if you recommend for example doing the low set/high reps in the last micro because the core lifts are heavy, low rep sets then. Not sure if that makes sense.
Thanks - BRUTAL leg day today. Looking forward to doing the math and seeing where my 1RM is now.
05-10-2010, 10:20 AM #1454
05-10-2010, 10:26 AM #1455
As far as supp schemes go, the book says to do the top amount of sets if you're feeling strong and the low amount of sets if you're feeling weak that day. So if you're on a 3-4 sets of 8-10 reps day, you'd do 4 sets or 3 sets depending on your instincts. You do not switch the entire shceme though!
Since you're hitting the core lift first, the supp scheme doesn't affect it. Stick to the rotation and let the supps fall where they may.
Not a bad post for using a phone keyboard if I do say so myselfHave a coaching, training, nutrition question? PM me!
05-10-2010, 10:35 AM #1456
05-10-2010, 10:45 AM #1457
The eBook outlines guidelines for supplement work and when to increase as well.Have a coaching, training, nutrition question? PM me!
05-10-2010, 10:47 AM #1458
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The thing I loved about the floor press was the way it nailed my anterior delts. In other routines I had I did a lot of close grip benching so I've felt it that type of work in the triceps before and this seemed to hit that plus a really concentrated working of the delts."Adversity is the state in which man mostly easily becomes acquainted with himself."
Coach John Wooden
05-10-2010, 11:40 AM #1459
Well I'm definitely keeping track of weights lifted in my log and at the end of 3 months of doing this, if I'm not happy with my progress, I will definitely go to one of the more tried and true programs. I'll be looking back through to see if I can find any trends that either benefitted me or did the opposite and I'll adjust accordingly. But so far (it's been a month and a week) I'm loving it and the progress I'm getting. My bench has gone from an estimated 250 to a tested 285, squat and deadlift are going up steadily as well. I much prefer training things multiple times a week to just once and I feel more motivated this way as well. I've always found sticking to a program to be dull and unenlightening, if you know what I mean.
Anyways, how long is this bonus offer gonna last? I have to wait for my next paycheck before I can make the purchase...
Last edited by Blizzard589; 05-10-2010 at 11:42 AM.Planted like a tree beside the river of truth.
05-10-2010, 11:58 AM #1460
alright i'm serious this is my last question...lol what would be the best way to warmup for this program?
05-10-2010, 12:53 PM #1461
05-10-2010, 01:08 PM #1462
Cardio/abs + Complexes
Super Set Abs
Flat bench leg trucks 2x50
Flat bench leg raises 2x20
35 minutes of HIIT cardio at 1 minute intervals
Side bends with cable resistance (90lb)
Push ups with feet elevated 4x10
Standing overhead press 10x 8x 8x 6x
10 minute stretching
Very intense HIIT cardio session. Did 35 minutes with 1 minute high intensity then a couple minute moderate jog intervals on treadmill. Not sure how many I ended up doing, but i was pretty pumped afterwords. Avg. heart rate for the entire session was 175 so i guess it shows i was hollin' ass. The first 3 sets of complexes afterward felt pretty good, but the final set really exhausted me especially the shoulder presses. My shoulder strength is really pissing me off, im hoping with the new program Ryan laid out for me I can make some significant strength gains.
05-10-2010, 02:04 PM #1463
05-10-2010, 02:05 PM #1464
05-10-2010, 02:08 PM #1465
You want to let your body know kind of weight you're planning on lifting, but not fatigue it in doing so. I'll typically stay in the 1-6 rep range for warm ups.
warming up to 225lbs might look like this for most people:
45 by 10, just feeling the exercise here, hence the reason for the higher than 6 rep range.
95 by 6
135 by 4
185 by 2
210 by 1
255 by whatever you're planning on lifting.
These numbers aren't set in stone, but that should point you in the right direction.Have a coaching, training, nutrition question? PM me!
05-10-2010, 02:09 PM #1466
05-10-2010, 02:21 PM #1467
Can you tell me if I got this one right?
Did my Micro 4 Squat Day today. After warming up I got 7 reps for my AMRAP, which I did as my first set. So... 7 x 0.0333333 = .233 + 1 = 1.233 x 265 = 325 rounded off.
Now on my last Squat Day - Micro 3 - I did 4reps twice and then an AMRAP of 9 at 225pds. Obviously I did that opposite of how the book lays it out but what it is. So if I do the math here = 9 x 0.0333333 = .299 + 1 = 1.299 x 225 = 295.
The average of those two is 325 + 295 /2 = 310. That seem right to you?
05-10-2010, 02:52 PM #1468
Hey Ive got a question for the creator of this program, I like it alot, I really do. At the moment Ive got a lower/upper split and hit the same body parts once every 4 or 5 days, however, it is hard to maintain the intensity required for big gains within a time frame when a variety of different exercises are needed per workout. This workout allows you to really pummel the specific muscle group to get good growth without fatiguing the synergist muscle groups you will use in the other workouts. Which means the same intensity can be used in every workout? And I can see that you will certainly look massive after each workout.
However, perfecting a schedule is very difficult. And the main concern I have with this one is that even with a huge amount of intensity I have never found waiting a whole week, or 8/9 days in this case to exercise the same muscle group again to be enough for maximum growth.
So I dont know whether to change my workout.
05-10-2010, 02:56 PM #1469
05-10-2010, 04:16 PM #1470
1 Rep Maxes
225 Start GST
250 End of 1st Macro
262 End of 2nd Macro
270 End of 3rd Macro
Everything is progressing like that except my incline bench. I am one of those guys that doesnt know how to bench, but I am learning and there is progress but not like the other cores. At 47 years old I love the rest days. I also get fired up the evening of the rest day cuz I know I get to get under the iron again in the morning. It is working for me.
When I got my program down on paper I thought it would be too easy and I would need more. I was wrong. This GST thing is perfect for me. It built my confidence to get under loads that used to scare the **** out of me. Im in it for as long as I can see, its flexible enough to never get bored with it.
Give it a try for 3 cycles, what have you got too lose? 3 months aint nothin. You can give back the strength you gained if you are unsatisfied.
Here is my journal link http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post488449201
if you want to check it out. Search for "GST" in the journal threads, theres plenty of evidence there for you to check out.
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