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    Originally Posted by Insight View Post
    here's the link: http://www.weightrainer.net/potential.html

    there's a calculator onsite as well, search for it. the basic idea is he did a careful analysis of the world's top natural pros and their weight, height, ankle size, BF%, and wrist size. he then found a formula that could predict weight from those variables that turned out to be extremely accurate. so then he made a plot of all of the world's top natty pros and used the formula to "fill in the gaps", generating a curve.

    i'm not explaining the mathematics well since it's 3 AM here, but it's on good footing. but the basic idea is, you put in your height, wrist, and ankle size, and it'll tell you what the top natural pros with the same measurements weigh at a certain BF%. So it's not really a "maximum muscular potential" calculator - it just means that for you to exceed the calculator value without drugs you'd need better training, genetics, or supplements than the world's top natural pros do. and when you factor in that a lot of "natural" pros are also really on drugs, that makes it even harder to do (although always theoretically possible).

    so it's pissed a lot of the t-muscle people off, since that crowd usually falls for the "anaconda put 10 lbs of muscle on in a week" bullsh*t. it sparked like a 75 page debate. casey butt has said that if any natural bodybuilder has surpassed the measurements he'd add them to the data set (and thus alter the curve and the formula). so far no one has stepped forward.
    The real ingenious thing was that he found out that it seems to depend on wrist and ankle size. Most people think they can easily exceed the formula because they grossly underestimate their bodyfat. IMO, the values are even on the very high end side for the reason Insight mentioned.
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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    The real ingenious thing was that he found out that it seems to depend on wrist and ankle size. Most people think they can easily exceed the formula because they grossly underestimate their bodyfat. IMO, the values are even on the very high end side for the reason Insight mentioned.
    i found some more casey butt stuff on another site i frequent, MAB:

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    he seems to really know his ****
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    Im cutting at 2000 calories per day atm, 1 hour powerwalk every day and ive stopped now for 2 weeks at 187 I just cant seem to loose more weight, anyone got any tips on what do do? Cut down the calories even more perhaps?
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    Originally Posted by Paper-warrior View Post
    Im cutting at 2000 calories per day atm, 1 hour powerwalk every day and ive stopped now for 2 weeks at 187 I just cant seem to loose more weight, anyone got any tips on what do do? Cut down the calories even more perhaps?
    refeed at maintenance for a few days to a week to give yourself a break, then go down to 1800 cals.
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    Coming along nicely! Will take some progress pictures in a week

    This is easier than I thought it would be.
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    Originally Posted by Paper-warrior View Post
    Im cutting at 2000 calories per day atm, 1 hour powerwalk every day and ive stopped now for 2 weeks at 187 I just cant seem to loose more weight, anyone got any tips on what do do? Cut down the calories even more perhaps?
    the ****...1 hour powerwalk? dude just go jogging for 30-45 mins

    if your not losing any weights then up the cardio or lower calorie intake simple as that
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    Originally Posted by JAC4146 View Post
    the ****...1 hour powerwalk? dude just go jogging for 30-45 mins

    if your not losing any weights then up the cardio or lower calorie intake simple as that
    Well I used powerwalks last time i did a cut and i lost over 50 pounds, but i will try other forms of cardio aswell.
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    Only lost a 1/2 a pound this week, I wasn't watching my water intake like I should, otherwise, everything is going well.
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    Originally Posted by JAC4146 View Post
    the ****...1 hour powerwalk? dude just go jogging for 30-45 mins

    if your not losing any weights then up the cardio or lower calorie intake simple as that
    Jogging for 45 minutes? lol wut, brb sending my body into a catabolic tailspin and turning my body into a cross country look-alike piece of scrawn.
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    Week 2# Cutting

    Down 2lb first week. Just weighed myself. Down 3lb second week! Strength hasen't been affected. Gonna bump up the cals to strict 2250 again for the following week. I was sloppy this second week and left it less most days.

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    Only lost a 1/2 a pound this week, I wasn't watching my water intake like I should, otherwise, everything is going well.
    What does water intake have todo with anything?

    if you drink more water one week and less water another it will effect your weight on the scale?
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    guys i need to get 3 cardio seassions of hiit a week burnings 350 calories , since im doing it outside im not really sure how about id go to get around 350 calories burnt in one seassion any one got any hiit program or likewise???
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    Originally Posted by I Tough I View Post
    What does water intake have todo with anything?

    if you drink more water one week and less water another it will effect your weight on the scale?
    not sure if srs...
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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    The real ingenious thing was that he found out that it seems to depend on wrist and ankle size. Most people think they can easily exceed the formula because they grossly underestimate their bodyfat. IMO, the values are even on the very high end side for the reason Insight mentioned.
    Even so though it's still inspiring because the values are pretty decent. At 5'10" and with a wrist size of 7 and an ankle size of 8.5 you can be 195 lbs at 10% BF. Even if I could only get to 185 @ 10% bf, that's still pretty huge.

    Originally Posted by StevenNevets View Post
    Coming along nicely! Will take some progress pictures in a week

    This is easier than I thought it would be.
    Good work man, what are you doing? How many cals and how many lbs are you losing per week?

    Originally Posted by jlsnyderTypeR View Post
    Just wanted to give a big shout out/thanks to Insight for starting this thread, it has really helped me get back to basics and focus on my goals.

    Here a progress pic I took at work on Friday, I think I'm almost there!

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    Damn, great work man. Which diet did you follow? Just a linear caloric deficit? Or keto or some similar carb cycling thing

    Originally Posted by i_will View Post
    Only lost a 1/2 a pound this week, I wasn't watching my water intake like I should, otherwise, everything is going well.
    what do you mean watching your water intake? Are you not drinking water or something?

    Originally Posted by belmont316 View Post
    Jogging for 45 minutes? lol wut, brb sending my body into a catabolic tailspin and turning my body into a cross country look-alike piece of scrawn.
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    Originally Posted by IronLyfe View Post
    IN.

    I never though i'd be posting here but im having to cut, abs are gone and face is bloated fuuuu. Gonna cut for a month or two and then gonna lean bulk back up. Im at 170 at the mo but gonna cut to 160lbs and then lean bulk back up.
    good to have you aboard!

    Originally Posted by Nightwolfer View Post
    guys i need to get 3 cardio seassions of hiit a week burnings 350 calories , since im doing it outside im not really sure how about id go to get around 350 calories burnt in one seassion any one got any hiit program or likewise???
    You don't have to do HIIT if you don't want to, you could do some LISS or moderate intensity instead. I was doing HIIT at one point and found myself burnt out for actual lifting. Moderate intensity was key for me.

    Higher intensity stuff is better for generating aerobic adaptations and such, so if that's your goal do that. If your goal with cardio is just to generate a caloric expenditure then it doesn't have to be HIIT all the time.

    As for how to burn 350 cals I usually just go to the elliptical or treadmill or some such thing, put in my weight, and use that as an estimate. 30 minutes of moderate intensity stuff on the elliptical is about 300-350 cals at my weight. It's probably a decent estimate although it might not be 100% accurate.
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    Stalled at 1800, moved back up to 2,000 -2,100 cals with low intensity cardio everyday (hiking, inclince walking at brisk pace on treadmill) for about 30-45 mins except for leg day and the day after, am now down 2 lbs which puts me at 158 lbs. Lifts still good in the gym, no strength loss but haven't gained any strength really.
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    Originally Posted by IronLyfe View Post

    I never though i'd be posting here but im having to cut, abs are gone and face is bloated fuuuu. Gonna cut for a month or two and then gonna lean bulk back up. Im at 170 at the mo but gonna cut to 160lbs and then lean bulk back up.
    Lean/Clean bulk doesn't necassarily mean you won't put on fat.
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    Yeah lol, everyone cutting seems to be thinking that lean bulking is some sort of magic formula that will make you swole without gaining fat in no time.
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    Originally Posted by Drake7 View Post
    Yeah lol, everyone cutting seems to be thinking that lean bulking is some sort of magic formula that will make you swole without gaining fat in no time.
    The reason I got so high in BF to begin with was "lean bulking." I started at 175 and didn't watch my caloric intake and just tried to eat every 2-3 hours of only clean foods. I was meticulous with it. Ended up at like 24% bf or so.
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    What are good tips for maintaining low body fat? I'm going trying to cut to 170 then maintain around there. It seems even when eating maintanance I gain weight
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    Originally Posted by laxster View Post
    It seems even when eating maintanance I gain weight
    Then that isn't your maintenance.
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    Originally Posted by laxster View Post
    What are good tips for maintaining low body fat? I'm going trying to cut to 170 then maintain around there. It seems even when eating maintanance I gain weight
    then you're either not eating maintenance or you're just gaining water. every time i move to maintenance i gain a little bit of water
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    haven't posted in here in a long time...started 218 and in 60 days have lost 20lbs almost into single digit body fat...another 2/3 weeks before memorial day and ill be looking good i hope..you guys will be proud of side by side progress pics when the time is right.
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