Heyzeus 909 (Mountain Man) - Where did he go?

[4estGimp]

Originally Posted by visualenkryption

Does anyone else find it a little odd that this topic is on the front page of bodybuilding.com given the circumstances?

Yes

Maybe they are just showing that they have nothing to hide? Who knows.

[jetmek]

I think Mountain Man is the real deal, and from talking to him (emailing), he is an intense person and just wants to cut the crap. Like he said in his myspace blog, if you have been around a long time you have seen supplements come and go you know what he is against. Prohormones, ephedra-free thermos, myostatin blockers, effervescent creatine, "juiced" protein powders, the list goes on and on and they are ALL described by the supp co's as the holy grail of fitness. I have tried almost all of them and guess what? THEY DON'T WORK!!!

He was not interested in being one of those guys pushing stuff like that for money. For that I totally give him props. He is one of the most real guys anywhere. Mountain Man DOES use SOME supplements, protein powder, multivitamin, aminos, stuff that will help to AUGMENT his diet and training which is what is paramount. But he does not hold them up in as high regard as eating clean, and training hard. That is what gets the job done. No magic bullets, everyone should KNOW that.

As for what was said between him, and the bb.com folks, I'm not gonna even begin to get involved in that argument. It's all he said/she said crap. I believe that if bb.com continues to offer services like BodySpace, the articles page, and the spotlight on people who have transformed their bodies, the supplement sales will come in droves. I will support them because they are supporting me. They offer me much more value than any other supp-selling website. And value doesn't always mean money either.

I hope that he and bb.com can patch things up and get back to promoting this site and BodySpace, which is helping a bunch of folks ...including me!

[rogan181]

why does everyone say he has fame adn call him a "celbrity" ive never heard of him excpet he was on BB.com's main page, thats not exactly famous

[ninjabill]

Ok like Ron white would say! I have the right to remain silent but I just dont have the ability! Unless MM is in my home gym stacking weights for me, I guess I wont be seeing or hearing from him anytime soon. If he comes back great and if he dont there are still weights to be lifted. I disagree with JETMEK when he said supplements dont work. I dont think they all work but I have had sucess with others. I still agree with 4estgimp on the fact that I feel MM was feeling he was owed more than what he was getting. He was getting in shape making friends and looking good (what more could you want from a free site?) and as for BB.com wanting him to endorse supplements, who really knows? or really cares? If they would ask me to endorse and I would recieve 5 free supplements per month,I would be on it like a priest on a choir boy (thats funny I dont care who you are!) My bottom line is with or without MM I'm going to work hard to make the best me possible and I hope to make some friends as I go that have the same goal in mind. With MM gone I'm not real concerned ( I can stop shaving and feel like he is with me) but if Chicken Tuna comes up missing I cant think of a quick fix for that one!

[sword_]

Interesting how this turned out. I don't think he felt like he was entitled to a little more, he just get tired of some of the crap in the supplement section and didn't want to sell out. I can kinda understand what he means and I'm a supplement rep.

[hypo_glycemic]

I spoke with him the other day about his personal challenge he set up for May! What he said in a post is - that he''s going to start dieting.. and like he said..start to cut. How he is going to get a little more shredded.."I dont know"! I like his quote though. Eating clean food and training hard! Thats where its at! I like that approach.

[bmt424]

Originally Posted by jetmek

I think Mountain Man is the real deal, and from talking to him (emailing), he is an intense person and just wants to cut the crap. Like he said in his myspace blog, if you have been around a long time you have seen supplements come and go you know what he is against. Prohormones, ephedra-free thermos, myostatin blockers, effervescent creatine, "juiced" protein powders, the list goes on and on and they are ALL described by the supp co's as the holy grail of fitness. I have tried almost all of them and guess what? THEY DON'T WORK!!!

He was not interested in being one of those guys pushing stuff like that for money. For that I totally give him props. He is one of the most real guys anywhere. Mountain Man DOES use SOME supplements, protein powder, multivitamin, aminos, stuff that will help to AUGMENT his diet and training which is what is paramount. But he does not hold them up in as high regard as eating clean, and training hard. That is what gets the job done. No magic bullets, everyone should KNOW that.

As for what was said between him, and the bb.com folks, I'm not gonna even begin to get involved in that argument. It's all he said/she said crap. I believe that if bb.com continues to offer services like BodySpace, the articles page, and the spotlight on people who have transformed their bodies, the supplement sales will come in droves. I will support them because they are supporting me. They offer me much more value than any other supp-selling website. And value doesn't always mean money either.

I hope that he and bb.com can patch things up and get back to promoting this site and BodySpace, which is helping a bunch of folks ...including me!

Well said my friend...I couldn't agree more!
Bill

[ChaseQ]

Its truly a sad day...because MM is gone? PLEASE! This is a good example of what happens when you live in a cabin in the middle of nowhere, isolated from reality, then thrown into the real world!

Paranoid delusions with a touch of conspiracy theory! Hidden agendas? Hey people, if BB.com didn't sell supps then you wouldn't have this website, to agree with some quack-job! Did BB.com make you buy anything? Did you have to pay to start your body space page? So what crappy? supps did they make you buy while they held a gun to your head?

This is the how the world works and BB.com has provided an amazing resource for knowledge and information. Oh ya, also a great selection of supplements!

Maybe MM could supplement some reality into his life!

[heyzeus909]

The OP of this thread just made me aware of its existence.

Let me clear something up here:

Originally Posted by heyzeus909

I think I've gone about as far as I'm going to with this. I just fade out into nonexistence from here, man. BodySpace is about a million members shy of where it needs to be before anyone pays attention to the top memebers on this site.

As it is now, the best anyone can get is 5 free supplements a month and the title of "Rep" from a supplement company. That's not really my thing, I don't think. I'm still holding out for the omega-3 egg contract.

The first paragraph in that quote is in response to someone's question about where I see going with this bodyspace "fame". My answer was meant to reflect that being one of the top known members of bodyspace was great, but in terms of being able to "go somewhere...", bodyspace isn't the vehicle that many people seem to think it is. My answer was meant to sound like a response to the question,"What's it like to be famous...", when, as someone else in this thread already stated, I wasn't famous.


If anyone wants to go through the history of my posts, you'll see that I spent most of my time in the nutrition section. Let me make this very clear, especially to you, boyscouT: People that have some sort of a hidden agenda here aren't going to spend 90 percent of their time in the Nutrition section. They'll go where you spend most of your time: The supplement section. That's where the fame and glory games are being played.


As for the 2nd paragraph in that quote...if you read my myspace blog (link on my profile page), you'll see that I'm not really that interested in getting 5 supplements, even if they're free. Believe me, I'd much rather get a contract for something that works: Whole eggs.

5 free junk supplements isn't going to do a damn thing for me (or for you).

Originally Posted by JesusReaga

Hey, MM *did* have an agenda - he said as much in his interview, thus I don't see how the agenda could be described as "hidden".

Exactly.


In the interview, I let it be known to all that my goal was to work together with a supplement company to possibly develop some supplements that I actually could recommend to people with a clear conscience (instead of the crap I was being offered to rep). I don't think that wanting to promote something that's not crap is asking for too much. So yeah, that's my "hidden" agenda (that I talked about in the interview).

I'll admit that when things were first starting to take off, I was thinking "cash in". It wasn't until after the interview came out and I started to get hundreds of comments and messages from people letting me know that they looked up to me, and believed in me, that I changed my mind. There's no way I could do a disservice to those very people by recommending **** that doesn't work, or even worse, is dangerous. You can't put a price on being able to sleep at night.


I feel like on one hand that just by being here, I'm supporting something that I don't believe in (a website that directly profits on the selling of junk supplements). On the other hand, I feel like I should be here and spread the word about the power of eatin' clean and liftin' hard.

I'll admit that I'm surprised that bb.com would link this thread on the main page when they know that my supplement bashing is going to come up. Although, at the same time, it's one of the smarter things I've seen them do too.


Now, if you don't mind, I have an "I gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days" story to go bash.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post46910071

[4estGimp]

Well said MM. I am one of the critics of the first quote you gave. Perhaps I misunderstood or jumped the gun. I don't know what the dealings were between you and bb.com behind the scenes. I still have an opinion of "who knows". However, I do appreciate your hard work and ability to communicate.

[chrisbute]

Originally Posted by heyzeus909

I feel like on one hand that just by being here, I'm supporting something that I don't believe in (a website that directly profits on the selling of junk supplements). On the other hand, I feel like I should be here and spread the word about the power of eatin' clean and liftin' hard.

Heyzeus - I feel the vast majority would agree with me on this - We think you should be here and spread the word about eating clean and liftin' hard. You are a huge asset and your opinions are valued. Your integrity can't be questioned and you would bring a refreshing perspective to this site.

[kazman32]

Originally Posted by heyzeus909

The OP of this thread just made me aware of its existence.

Let me clear something up here:




The first paragraph in that quote is in response to someone's question about where I see going with this bodyspace "fame". My answer was meant to reflect that being one of the top known members of bodyspace was great, but in terms of being able to "go somewhere...", bodyspace isn't the vehicle that many people seem to think it is. My answer was meant to sound like a response to the question,"What's it like to be famous...", when, as someone else in this thread already stated, I wasn't famous.


If anyone wants to go through the history of my posts, you'll see that I spent most of my time in the nutrition section. Let me make this very clear, especially to you, boyscouT: People that have some sort of a hidden agenda here aren't going to spend 90 percent of their time in the Nutrition section. They'll go where you spend most of your time: The supplement section. That's where the fame and glory games are being played.


As for the 2nd paragraph in that quote...if you read my myspace blog (link on my profile page), you'll see that I'm not really that interested in getting 5 supplements, even if they're free. Believe me, I'd much rather get a contract for something that works: Whole eggs.

5 free junk supplements isn't going to do a damn thing for me (or for you).




Exactly.


In the interview, I let it be known to all that my goal was to work together with a supplement company to possibly develop some supplements that I actually could recommend to people with a clear conscience (instead of the crap I was being offered to rep). I don't think that wanting to promote something that's not crap is asking for too much. So yeah, that's my "hidden" agenda (that I talked about in the interview).

I'll admit that when things were first starting to take off, I was thinking "cash in". It wasn't until after the interview came out and I started to get hundreds of comments and messages from people letting me know that they looked up to me, and believed in me, that I changed my mind. There's no way I could do a disservice to those very people by recommending **** that doesn't work, or even worse, is dangerous. You can't put a price on being able to sleep at night.


I feel like on one hand that just by being here, I'm supporting something that I don't believe in (a website that directly profits on the selling of junk supplements). On the other hand, I feel like I should be here and spread the word about the power of eatin' clean and liftin' hard.

I'll admit that I'm surprised that bb.com would link this thread on the main page when they know that my supplement bashing is going to come up. Although, at the same time, it's one of the smarter things I've seen them do too.


Now, if you don't mind, I have an "I gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days" story to go bash.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post46910071

All so true, the supplement companies get filthy rich scamming people, I feel bad for the kids especially, I know what it's like to be a skinny kid and want to desperatly get big! All this leuckik gackik, crap, I saw a tub of some kind of supplement at the drug store for 89.99??? wtf...and the sad thing is kids will buy this junk thinking it will get them big faster. I'm working with this kid for his first show, he was taking all that garbage, leucik,gackic, whatever, I had him drop all that b.s get on a clean strict diet, get more efa's(essential fatty acids) he now is only using vitamins, fish oil and protien powder. he has made amazing gains! His exact words were the supplement companies blinded me, I though they would help me get bigger etc....he feels like a fool wasting hundreds of dollars a month on garbage.

[Lowdown5]

Thanks for posting your side Heyzeus!!

[Belloc]

Originally Posted by heyzeus909

I'll admit that when things were first starting to take off, I was thinking "cash in". It wasn't until after the interview came out and I started to get hundreds of comments and messages from people letting me know that they looked up to me, and believed in me, that I changed my mind. There's no way I could do a disservice to those very people by recommending **** that doesn't work, or even worse, is dangerous. You can't put a price on being able to sleep at night.

I guess that makes you a better person than me ... and 99,9% of the people out there.

[xswerve]

Originally Posted by kgru

I think you misread what he wanted. The Omega-3 Egg contract seems like a joke about how he would love to represent a company he considers "legit". No one disputes the benefits of omega-3 fatty acids or what have you, but Mountain Man seems to think a lot of other products are BS. I somewhat agree with him, I think he goes a little extreme on this, but I'm pretty sure that is what his point was.

Not a sense of entitlement; he just did not care to get 5 free supplements a month from a company whose products he feels don't do a damn thing for ya.

I agree with you, some products are legit, but a vast majority are bull*&%$!. The protein powders, creatine, etc are legit for the most part. But if "6-OXO" really increases your testosterone, then eating raw cockroaches decreases estrogen levels and I see this bull crap product being pushed all over the site. Yeah like the pros really take "6-OXO" to get big for a contest! LOL

[xswerve]

Heyzeus99, I totally agree with you on the raw eggs thing. I eat 3 "organic" eggs every morning, 5 cans of sardines and 1/4 jar "raw organic" peanut butter a day. Bam, there is my protein for the day.

I also agree with you on "eatin clean". Most people eat way too much sugar. Some experts believe that most diseases stem from overconsumption of sugar and too much insulin response.

"Fat does not make you fat, sugar makes you fat"


http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/13/eggs.htm

[knightowl]

Originally Posted by heyzeus909

Now, if you don't mind, I have an "I gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days" story to go bash.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post46910071

I saw that before your reference and I was like what kind of garbage does bb.com host these days ...

[GROWLER]

This is the first I ever heard of this apparant iconic Guru. I love his zest and passion. He is 90% accurate on the suppliment baloney. Just the mention of his name has brought in dozens of younger bodybuilders into the plus 35 section. Amazing. He is, however, out to lunch on the raw eggs vs. cooked (heated). Here he loses some credibility.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716

[bhaputi]

Originally Posted by GROWLER

This is the first I ever heard of this apparant iconic Guru. I love his zest and passion. He is 90% accurate on the suppliment baloney. Just the mention of his name has brought in dozens of younger bodybuilders into the plus 35 section. Amazing. He is, however, out to lunch on the raw eggs vs. cooked (heated). Here he loses some credibility.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716

Actually, if I understand correctly, he advocates eating whole eggs, not raw. I think the raw thing came from his video, which was used as a kind of exaggeration of his belief in eating the whole egg, not discarding the yolk like many do.

[GROWLER]

Exaggeration? Isn't that exactly what he hates about the suppliment industry? Am I missing something or on to something?

[goddessamazon]

Originally Posted by heyzeus909

If anyone wants to go through the history of my posts, you'll see that I spent most of my time in the nutrition section. Let me make this very clear, especially to you, boyscouT: People that have some sort of a hidden agenda here aren't going to spend 90 percent of their time in the Nutrition section. They'll go where you spend most of your time: The supplement section. That's where the fame and glory games are being played.

Now, if you don't mind, I have an "I gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days" story to go bash.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post46910071

Since boyscouT didn't answer my question about the hidden agenda thing I figure he is a "hater" so I left it alone. I've said it once and I'll say it many times again. When you attract people who love you......it's only natural to attract people who will hate you. It's just the balance of things.


Next week when my schedule is back to normal I think I'll visit the nutritional section of this forum too. I never thought to go in there.

[\S/]

Originally Posted by goddessamazon

So you thought he had a hidden agenda? How did you come up with this theory? I'm not trying to pick a fight I just wanted to know what proof you had for saying this.

I read his posts, the article, his reaction, & bb.com's reactions.

My opinion still stands today. (everyone's entitled to that, right?)

PS: I guess I am now a hater with a hidden agenda..... since I spend a lot of time in the supplement forum.

[goddessamazon]

Originally Posted by boyscouT

I read his posts, the article, his reaction, & bb.com's reactions.

My opinion still stands today. (everyone's entitled to that, right?)

PS: I guess I am now a hater with a hidden agenda..... since I spend a lot of time in the supplement forum.

No! Let me tell you who you are! You are a coward because you didn't have the BALLS to answer my questions when I asked you.

Sheesh! How long ago was that? A week or maybe two weeks ago? Anywho, it doesn't matter when I asked you to justify yourself. The fact is that you didn't do it until now. You know why you decided to answer now? Because your b*tch card was pulled that why! You got called out on your assumption of heyzeus having a hidden agenda and now you want to respond to save face.

Oh and just for the record..........yes, you are a hater but now you can add coward to that list.

[bhaputi]

Originally Posted by GROWLER

Exaggeration? Isn't that exactly what he hates about the suppliment industry? Am I missing something or on to something?

I do not believe so. What I stated was my own assumption, which may not be valid - maybe he really does always eat the eggs raw, but I thought I had read somewhere that he said he usually does not, and simply did that to stress a point.

[chrisbute]

Originally Posted by GROWLER

Exaggeration? Isn't that exactly what he hates about the suppliment industry? Am I missing something or on to something?

He was simply calling our attention to the fact that people often claim they eat eggs, when in fact they discard the most nutritious part of the egg. A prior poster used the word "exaggeration" to define the video. The video is a simple metaphor. The video would have lost it's "edge" if he did this with a hardboiled egg, don't ya think?

No - I'm sure he doesn't eat raw eggs (shell and all) as part of his daily routine. We all know that is an unsafe thing to do. Why not WATCH the video and then form your opinion? I'm sure the metaphor will be apparent to you.

[PeteB]

Originally Posted by chrisbute

No - I'm sure he doesn't eat raw eggs (shell and all) as part of his daily routine...

In his interview, he wrote he prefers eggs easy over.

[runnermama]

Ok, I really wanted to refrain from commenting on this subject anymore because it has become apparent to me, you either agree or disagree on HeyZeus909's stance on the issue. And yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I just wanted to throw out a few points.

To quote goddessamazon : "When you attract people who love you......it's only natural to attract people who will hate you. It's just the balance of things" I agree with this.

However, in this situation, I have to wonder whether those who are still against his stance are so because of all the people that support him, and trust me, there IS an entire army and it is not just contrived out of the Misc. section, lol. For those who are still sulking and standing behind their original beliefs even after the air was cleared, it might as well be a lost cause. Congratulations, you win the most obstinate award. And while you are picking your brains and still can't figure out why he was so popular regardless of his integrity, his drive, his intellect, his ability to motivate, or his unconventional appearance and approach, maybe you should have dropped him a note sometime. It would all have become painfully clear.

[muscleman420]

can't blame him. He has higher aspirations than 5 free supps per month. he oughtta get into competing though he could easily go far in natural competition.

honestly though i think the whole thing is a hoax made by a secret division of bodybuilding.com, their lair is deep underground and they are plotting the apocolypse.

you got a better explanation?

[\S/]

Originally Posted by goddessamazon

No! Let me tell you who you are! You are a coward because you didn't have the BALLS to answer my questions when I asked you.

Sheesh! How long ago was that? A week or maybe two weeks ago? Anywho, it doesn't matter when I asked you to justify yourself. The fact is that you didn't do it until now. You know why you decided to answer now? Because your b*tch card was pulled that why! You got called out on your assumption of heyzeus having a hidden agenda and now you want to respond to save face.

Oh and just for the record..........yes, you are a hater but now you can add coward to that list.

I do not check the Over Age 35 section daily...... the last time I came here was when I made my first post in this thread..... the next time I came here (today), I responded to your question.

If you want to continue this in a mature fashion, feel free to PM me.

[GROWLER]

Where is MMs video to watch? Who said shells?? Who said no yolks?? I refer to the scientific fact that heated eggs are 50% more digestable into the human bloodstream than raw. Again...raw does not mean with shell and sans yolk. HEAT YOUR FREAKIN EGGS.

This is why my peeps call me GRRRRRRowler.