Superdrol Cycle and PCT

fnx14 · 02-24-2010, 11:28 AM

I've been looking into doing a cycle of Superdrol and I know this has been covered a bunch before. I have poured through many threads regarding this product and the recommended PCT but it seems like everything recommended are difficult to get these days. With that in mind I have some questions about alternatives that are available.

I am going to start the cycle at 3 weeks and may bump to 4 weeks depending on how I react to it and sides I experience. I have a buddy who did several cycles of Superdrol without using a SERM. Due to this and the relative difficulty of getting a hold of Nolva or Clomid I would like to try and get by without a SERM. I have read the Superdrol for dummies thread and have some questions about PCTs. I realize that when this was written stuff like Rebound XT, 6-OXO, Nolva and Clomid were much easier to get ahold of. Since it's 2010 now and not 2005 I'm wondering if what I have picked out would be the best combination's to use with Superdrol and if its an adequate PCT.

-Instead of using Rebound XT I'm wondering if the suicide inhibitor/AI in Formadrol V2 is comparable in performance. I have tried looking up comparisons between the two but haven’t found anything useful in picking one over the other. I’ve also read that Novedex XT by Gaspari is similar to Rebound XT but that it isn’t as good. Which would you recommend?

-Additionally I would like to take 6-OXO as an AI but seeing that it’s pretty expensive these days I am wondering if Reversitol is a good substitute. I see that Reversitol is supposed to also be a test booster, is it good enough at boosting test or should I get another test booster like **** restore or Anabolic Xtreme Advanced PCT.

While on cycle I'm going to take Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovation, DHEA, Tribulus Terrestris, as well as CoQ10 and the multivitamin Orange Triad. Being that Superdrol has been off the market and very difficult to get for quite a few years it has been hard to educate myself on what would be good to take for the cycle nowadays. Also being that Superdrol is c-17alpha alkylated and harder on the liver, would the cycle support be good enough for my liver or should I add in something like Liv52?

Also I’ve seen that the makers of Superdrol, Anabolic Xtreme, offers a product Advanced PCT. Also what about the product Testosterone Recovery Stack offered by Primordial Performance. Are either of these an adequate PCT for use with Superdrol and if so how would it fit in with any other products you would recommend?
Any thoughts and concerns are welcome and much appreciated.

Zach

bclark22 · 02-24-2010, 11:32 AM

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how old are you? you can gain naturally I'm sure still, and have you ran anything else

fnx14 · 02-24-2010, 11:43 AM

Oh yeah forgot!!! Im 24 at 6' and 175 lbs. I eat around 3500 - 4000 calories a day most of which are protein and complex carbs. I have stalled at this weight for the past two years, anywhere between 170 to 180. I was a runner when I was younger and have stalled on my size and strength gains.

onemorep · 02-24-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fnx14

Oh yeah forgot!!! Im 24 at 6' and 175 lbs. I eat around 3500 - 4000 calories a day most of which are protein and complex carbs. I have stalled at this weight for the past two years, anywhere between 170 to 180. I was a runner when I was younger and have stalled on my size and strength gains.

have you tried changing up your work out routines/days? have you tried any other supplements?

mark118 · 02-24-2010, 11:51 AM

this forum is very SERM orientated. there are many other forums where people run ATD, and even reversitol, with other test boosters for 'mild' SD cycles.

IrishCannon · 02-24-2010, 11:55 AM

If you don't run a SERM, I strongly recommend you support LH release with Formadrol Extreme, which our 7,8-benz derivative has proven in literature to do. I'm sure you could get by without a SERM at lower doses, but I would never advise it at higher doses.

Here's a thread proving the efficacy of Formadrol on Testosterone levels and lowering estradiol. The test was NOT conducted during a PCT, but it still has strong merit in your cicumstance.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post454509161

fnx14 · 02-24-2010, 11:55 AM

Yeah I have changed up my routine and supps. I used to do Starting Strength and the standard bodybuilding routines and saw no size gains and plateaued pretty quickly. In August I switched to Crossfit and busted my plateaus and consistently gained strength like crazy until December. Ive taken whey, Animal M-stak, Mass FX and Hyperdrol, NO Xplode, creatine. All of these helped me get from a weight of 145 when I graduated HS 6.5 years ago to 175 and helped me gain a whole lot of strength but I feel that my strength gains are now limited by my size.

fnx14 · 02-24-2010, 11:57 AM

I was going to run 10mg, 10mg, 20mg or even bump the second week up to 20mg if sides dont start to creep in.

mobikwa · 02-24-2010, 12:01 PM

If you can't gain weight on your own you're going to lose everything you gain on cycle...

IrishCannon · 02-24-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fnx14

I was going to run 10mg, 10mg, 20mg or even bump the second week up to 20mg if sides dont start to creep in.

That's not ridiculously high, but I'm a fan of SD at low doses. Do you already have the stuff on hand? I'd go with PP's Superdrone and dose 5mg-10mg/day, and then run Formadrol Extreme at 5 caps/night weeks 2 through 3, and then run your PCT.

SD: 5/5/10
Formadrol: 0/5/5
PCT: Weeks 4 through 6

fnx14 · 02-24-2010, 12:14 PM

My roommate has 7 bottles he's looking to sell, I only would buy on.,But I want to get everything straight before I buy ANYTHING at all. He's the buddy that took it without any sides, using Rebound XT and 6-OXO. I could care less if he gets stuck with any or all of them, he's the retard who stocked up on them and didn't use/sell them at the right time.

fnx14 · 02-25-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishCannon

That's not ridiculously high, but I'm a fan of SD at low doses. Do you already have the stuff on hand? I'd go with PP's Superdrone and dose 5mg-10mg/day, and then run Formadrol Extreme at 5 caps/night weeks 2 through 3, and then run your PCT.

SD: 5/5/10
Formadrol: 0/5/5
PCT: Weeks 4 through 6

Is Formadrol Extreme V2 alone as a PCT good enough to keep sides down to a minimum if I ran a low dosage cycle such as 5/5/10 or maybe even a max of 10/10/20? I am willing to take some risk and know what the risks are with this stuff I just want to try and minimize risks as much as possible, like everyone else on here I suspect (well minus the dude taking insulin and Hdrol with Tribulus as his PCT...)

Any thoughts?

IrishCannon · 02-25-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fnx14

Is Formadrol Extreme V2 alone as a PCT good enough to keep sides down to a minimum if I ran a low dosage cycle such as 5/5/10 or maybe even a max of 10/10/20? I am willing to take some risk and know what the risks are with this stuff I just want to try and minimize risks as much as possible, like everyone else on here I suspect (well minus the dude taking insulin and Hdrol with Tribulus as his PCT...)

Any thoughts?

It's very possible, yes. My take is this...

Use M1D when shut-down is inevitable, use Formadrol to minimize shutdown and elevate LH levels (creating a smoother transition into PCT).

If I had to choose one or the other on an SD cycle, I'd go with Formadrol.

Hansolo261 · 02-25-2010, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mark118

this forum is very SERM orientated. there are many other forums where people run ATD, and even reversitol, with other test boosters for 'mild' SD cycles.

If you dont run a sh*t load of cycles you can get buy with OTC for a Superdrol cycle. Most people need serms because they run about countless cycles throughout the year on not doing things correctly. I have never used a serm and probably wont, because I really dont know what im getting in a serm. I ran reversitol for my last m-drol cycle and followed it with a good natty test booster and was fine.

As far as keepin gains, keep you cals high and stay on the same diet you were on during cycle and you will be fine. most people lose their gains because the dont eat properly

rocketbulk · 02-25-2010, 08:24 AM

interesting thread, op when up in height and down in weight

IrishCannon · 02-25-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hansolo261

If you dont run a sh*t load of cycles you can get buy with OTC for a Superdrol cycle. Most people need serms because they run about countless cycles throughout the year on not doing things correctly. I have never used a serm and probably wont, because I really dont know what im getting in a serm. I ran reversitol for my last m-drol cycle and followed it with a good natty test booster and was fine.

As far as keepin gains, keep you cals high and stay on the same diet you were on during cycle and you will be fine. most people lose their gains because the dont eat properly

I agree with this, but I still think it's extremely important to take care of yourself on cycle if you follow this. I really recommend using Formadrol on cycle if a SERM isn't used. I recommend it anyways just to make PCT breezy, but even more so under this circumstance.

fnx14 · 02-25-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rocketbulk

interesting thread, op when up in height and down in weight

Ok you got me. When I updated those stats my height when measured during my Army physical fitness test was 5'11" and I did weigh a more fatty 181 lbs, this was spring 2009 I think. During my last APFT on a different scale they measured my height at 6' so the way I figure it I am somewhere in between. As far as the Army is concerned the taller I am the heavier I can be without being out of regulations. Due to this I now say I am 6' tall and realize I am realistically somewhere in between 5'11" and 6'.

IrishCannon and Hansolo261 thanks for the info!! I will probably only run this one cycle, maybe another sometime in the future but not until at least 3 months after this one. And I will probably take Formadrol Extreme on cycle to try and keep my natural test production up before I begin PCT. Would you guys think it would be redundant and paranoid to start Novedex XT on week 4 as well as Formadrol just to make sure my test production comes back up quick without the use of a SERM?

mobikwa · 02-25-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fnx14

Ok you got me. When I updated those stats my height when measured during my Army physical fitness test was 5'11" and I did weigh a more fatty 181 lbs, this was spring 2009 I think. During my last APFT on a different scale they measured my height at 6' so the way I figure it I am somewhere in between. As far as the Army is concerned the taller I am the heavier I can be without being out of regulations. Due to this I now say I am 6' tall and realize I am realistically somewhere in between 5'11" and 6'.

IrishCannon and Hansolo261 thanks for the info!! I will probably only run this one cycle, maybe another sometime in the future but not until at least 3 months after this one. And I will probably take Formadrol Extreme on cycle to try and keep my natural test production up before I begin PCT. Would you guys think it would be redundant and paranoid to start Novedex XT on week 4 as well as Formadrol just to make sure my test production comes back up quick without the use of a SERM?

You're going to run a test booster during your cycle? GENIUS!

TMac26 · 02-25-2010, 11:56 AM

This thread is so full of fail.

IrishCannon · 02-25-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fnx14

Ok you got me. When I updated those stats my height when measured during my Army physical fitness test was 5'11" and I did weigh a more fatty 181 lbs, this was spring 2009 I think. During my last APFT on a different scale they measured my height at 6' so the way I figure it I am somewhere in between. As far as the Army is concerned the taller I am the heavier I can be without being out of regulations. Due to this I now say I am 6' tall and realize I am realistically somewhere in between 5'11" and 6'.

IrishCannon and Hansolo261 thanks for the info!! I will probably only run this one cycle, maybe another sometime in the future but not until at least 3 months after this one. And I will probably take Formadrol Extreme on cycle to try and keep my natural test production up before I begin PCT. Would you guys think it would be redundant and paranoid to start Novedex XT on week 4 as well as Formadrol just to make sure my test production comes back up quick without the use of a SERM?

I'm actually against using ATD (found in Novedex) in PCT unless the dose was very low, and from what I can recall, using ATD in an SD PCT is a no-no, anyhow. After seeing the bloodwork on Formadrol, it's very possible you could get by using Formadrol as PCT, but until I see bloodwork proving that it's sufficient for an SD PCT, I won't recommend that.

Hansolo261 · 02-25-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fnx14

Ok you got me. When I updated those stats my height when measured during my Army physical fitness test was 5'11" and I did weigh a more fatty 181 lbs, this was spring 2009 I think. During my last APFT on a different scale they measured my height at 6' so the way I figure it I am somewhere in between. As far as the Army is concerned the taller I am the heavier I can be without being out of regulations. Due to this I now say I am 6' tall and realize I am realistically somewhere in between 5'11" and 6'.

IrishCannon and Hansolo261 thanks for the info!! I will probably only run this one cycle, maybe another sometime in the future but not until at least 3 months after this one. And I will probably take Formadrol Extreme on cycle to try and keep my natural test production up before I begin PCT. Would you guys think it would be redundant and paranoid to start Novedex XT on week 4 as well as Formadrol just to make sure my test production comes back up quick without the use of a SERM?

before you go thanking folks remember you can try the superdrol cycle with otc but dont get upset if things dont work out as smoothly as planned. I ran otc and made if out ok, you may not. i would recommend a little bit more research on your part before starting a cycle.

fnx14 · 02-25-2010, 12:13 PM

I had been wanting to go with Rebound XT and 6-OXO post cycle but being that I cant find them anywhere, people mentioned Novedex XT as an adequate substitute but a month or so ago I read something about it not being a good idea for use with Superdrol. And I meant a natural test booster being that boosting testosterone is obviously the reason for taking Superdrol in the first place. I just ask about these questions because the info I have been reading is from 2005 and knowledge and experiences change. You all have the experience and I have none being that this is my first run with AAS. You know what really works best, not just what product packaging and marketing says should happen and that's why I'm asking.

Hansolo261 · 02-25-2010, 12:27 PM

the thing is each person will have a different expeirence with various products. For me superdrol give me the least side effects out of almost every prohormone and that could be due to the extra caution I take while on cycle; who knows. Some people it totally f"s them up. I have ran 4 cycles of superdrol: Superdrol original, methyl vol and 2 cycles of m-drol) usually keep majority of my gains. I probably wont be running anymore because the sh*t is currently not being produced and is soon to be banned.

OTC is a choice. I would look up the otc guide and superdrol for dummies before you start. Read ove tthem a few times and also look up a couple of horror stories

fnx14 · 02-25-2010, 12:38 PM

The horror stories are what scares the hell out of me. I have read the entire SD for dummies thread as well as all of krzna's other write-ups. I have even read the 2006 edition of Anabolics Steroid Reference Manual which was also very insightful. I however have not read the OTC guide and due to the risky nature of acquiring Nolva would like to go the OTC route.

dachamp8 · 02-25-2010, 12:42 PM

sorry to thread jack but I cant post a new one...Quick question Im a experienced lifter and have done one mdrol cycle before and was really good for the most part...But I wanna hit my pct perfect this time so I grabbed what I thought would be good..Cycle plan

cel:mdrol 10mg,20mg so one pill one day 2 the next and to do that for 4 weeks.
cel:furuzaA 2 pills daily for 4 weeks for the cutting part
cel:cycle assist whole length of cycle
pct nolvadex 40mg wk1 20mg for next three weeks,zma,and some natty test booster

also anyone know of how these 2 ph will work together thanks....

brownsboy23 · 03-10-2010, 01:09 PM

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I was going to run 10mg, 10mg, 20mg or even bump the second week up to 20mg if sides dont start to creep in.

Hey dude i was 18 and in HS when the original SD came out. I was 6' 175-180 and after 4 weeks ended up at 205 lbs. SD does not aromitize so gyno is not a problem. as far as keeping my gains?My max bench went from 225 to 300 for starters. Try doing supersets. i feel that helped me. as far as PCT? i took nothing but creatine, LOTS of protein, and ZMA. my bench was at 300 4 weeks later. that is just my experience and everyone is different but my opinion would be ZMA, creatine, Lots of protein. Supersets for a week, then back to heavy weights. as a precaution i took milk thistle and flax oil since you will be packing on pounds. ound a guy about a year ago and bought 2a,17a,di methyl-5a-androst-3-one so i hope you pump hard..ill be there with you.

TMac26 · 03-10-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brownsboy23

Hey dude i was 18 and in HS when the original SD came out. I was 6' 175-180 and after 4 weeks ended up at 205 lbs. SD does not aromitize so gyno is not a problem. as far as keeping my gains?My max bench went from 225 to 300 for starters. Try doing supersets. i feel that helped me. as far as PCT? i took nothing but creatine, LOTS of protein, and ZMA. my bench was at 300 4 weeks later. that is just my experience and everyone is different but my opinion would be ZMA, creatine, Lots of protein. Supersets for a week, then back to heavy weights. as a precaution i took milk thistle and flax oil since you will be packing on pounds. ound a guy about a year ago and bought 2a,17a,di methyl-5a-androst-3-one so i hope you pump hard..ill be there with you.

You are an idiot.

Stop giving out advice.

ZMA does nothing for boosting test. You got lucky, someone that you spread that ****ty advice to most likely will not be.