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Old 11-25-2009, 06:59 PM   #6991
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The vasodilating properties of dietary nitrates are irrefutable. The clinical use of nitrates indicate that they [significantly] enhance systemic vasodilation. Both nitrate and nitrite can be recycled to produce nitric oxide in a variety of ways. They provide a NOS-independent source of NO, and release NO in an extremely wide distribution of tissues. Nitrite has been investigated as a vasodilator for over 125 years and is a by-product of organic nitrate metabolism.

Based on studies by Tannenbaum 1994; Kelm and Yoshida 1996, nitrates remain in circulation and significantly enhance NO production for around 10 to 16-hours post-administration. Enhanced systemic NO distribution increases blood flow to the muscle itself, thereby enhancing muscle force production/growth/repair.

Dietary nitrate has been shown to reduce diastolic blood pressure in healthy volunteers [Larsen, Ekblom et al. 2006]. Kleinbongard/Dejam et al. 2006, demonstrated that plasma nitrite levels progressively decrease with increasing cardiovascular risk load [risk factors included age, hypertension, high blood cholesterol, and smoking]. It has been proposed that a continuous intake of dietary nitrate may help to maintain tissue levels of nitrite and NO at adequate levels [even when endogneous enzymatic synthesis of NO is disturbed].

Acta Physiol (Oxf). 2007 Sep;191(1):59-66. Epub 2007 Jul 17.
Effects of dietary nitrate on oxygen cost during exercise.
Larsen FJ, Weitzberg E, Lundberg JO, Ekblom B.
Department of Physiology and Pharmacology, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden.

AIM: Nitric oxide (NO), synthesized from l-arginine by NO synthases, plays a role in adaptation to physical exercise by modulating blood flow, muscular contraction and glucose uptake and in the control of cellular respiration. Recent studies show that NO can be formed in vivo also from the reduction of inorganic nitrate (NO(3) (-)) and nitrite (NO(2) (-)). The diet constitutes a major source of nitrate, and vegetables are particularly rich in this anion. The aim of this study was to investigate if dietary nitrate had any effect on metabolic and circulatory parameters during exercise. METHOD: In a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study, we tested the effect of dietary nitrate on physiological and metabolic parameters during exercise. Nine healthy young well-trained men performed submaximal and maximal work tests on a cycle ergometer after two separate 3-day periods of dietary supplementation with sodium nitrate (0.1 mmol kg(-1) day-1) or an equal amount of sodium chloride (placebo). RESULTS: The oxygen cost at submaximal exercise was reduced after nitrate supplementation compared with placebo. On an average Vo(2) decreased from 2.98 +/- 0.57 during CON to 2.82 +/- 0.58 L min(-1) during NIT (P < 0.02) over the four lowest submaximal work rates. Gross efficiency increased from 19.7 +/- 1.6 during CON to 21.1 +/- 1.3% during NIT (P < 0.01) over the four lowest work rates. There was no difference in heart rate, lactate [Hla], ventilation (VE), VE/Vo(2) or respiratory exchange ratio between nitrate and placebo during any of the submaximal work rates. CONCLUSION: We conclude that dietary nitrate supplementation, in an amount achievable through a diet rich in vegetables, results in a lower oxygen demand during submaximal work. This highly surprising effect occurred without an accompanying increase in lactate concentration, indicating that the energy production had become more efficient. The mechanism of action needs to be clarified but a likely first step is the in vivo reduction of dietary nitrate into bioactive nitrogen oxides including nitrite and NO.


J Appl Physiol 107: 1144-1155, 2009. First published August 6, 2009; doi:10.1152/japplphysiol.00722.2009
Stephen J. Bailey,1 Paul Winyard,2 Anni Vanhatalo,1 Jamie R. Blackwell,1 Fred J. DiMenna,1 Daryl P. Wilkerson,1 Joanna Tarr,2 Nigel Benjamin,2 and Andrew M. Jones1
Dietary nitrate supplementation reduces the O2 cost of low-intensity exercise and enhances tolerance to high-intensity exercise in humans

Pharmacological sodium nitrate supplementation has been reported to reduce the O2 cost of submaximal exercise in humans. In this study, we hypothesized that dietary supplementation with inorganic nitrate in the form of beetroot juice (BR) would reduce the O2 cost of submaximal exercise and enhance the tolerance to high-intensity exercise. In a double-blind, placebo (PL)-controlled, crossover study, eight men (aged 19-38 yr) consumed 500 ml/day of either BR (containing 11.2 - 0.6 mM of nitrate) or blackcurrant cordial (as a PL, with negligible nitrate content) for 6 consecutive days and completed a series of "step" moderate-intensity and severe-intensity exercise tests on the last 3 days. On days 4-6, plasma nitrite concentration was significantly greater following dietary nitrate supplementation compared with PL (BR: 273 - 44 vs. PL: 140 - 50 nM; P < 0.05), and systolic blood pressure was significantly reduced (BR: 124 - 2 vs. PL: 132 - 5 mmHg; P < 0.01). During moderate exercise, nitrate supplementation reduced muscle fractional O2 extraction (as estimated using near-infrared spectroscopy). The gain of the increase in pulmonary O2 uptake following the onset of moderate exercise was reduced by 19% in the BR condition (BR: 8.6 - 0.7 vs. PL: 10.8 - 1.6 ml-min-1-W-1; P < 0.05). During severe exercise, the O2 uptake slow component was reduced (BR: 0.57 ? 0.20 vs. PL: 0.74 - 0.24 l/min; P < 0.05), and the time-to-exhaustion was extended (BR: 675 - 203 vs. PL: 583 ? 145 s; P < 0.05). The reduced O2 cost of exercise following increased dietary nitrate intake has important implications for our understanding of the factors that regulate mitochondrial respiration and muscle contractile energetics in humans.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:57 AM   #6992
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I just went back to SP 250. It's probably the best no product on the market in my opinion. I stopped using Jack3d because it made me feel like **** for the rest of the day after my workouts and I really didn't feel anything while using it. Matter of fact I think all USP products don't do ****. Like I said only my opinion.
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:41 PM   #6993
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Just started White Flood this week, switched from NO Xplode. Amazing energy and focus, love it!
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:41 PM   #6994
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Old 11-28-2009, 10:15 AM   #6995
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Grape superpump250 is by far the best I've ever had hands down
Oh wow, I'm a HUGE SP250 lover myself. Been a few months since I've had it. I went through two jugs (Lemon and Some other one). Both tasted good but after having a sample of the Fruit Punch I was blown away at how good it tasted! I'd like to try the grape but I'll get Fruit punch next. I love the drive SP250 give me!
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:24 PM   #6996
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Old 11-29-2009, 02:40 AM   #6997
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awesome to hear, thanks for trying white flood. what flavor do you have?
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I fully agree, I used plasma jet for awhile and i always used n.o. xplode I decided to buy superpump 250 and I am fully hooked on it. the pumps, I get and focus is unbelievable.
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well i have tried several NO products ill list them and tried them all the same way.I will try some other stuff in this thread as well. Also of note i dont like stims and most of these products have em. Dont drink cofee or soda , only water, milk and diet decaf green tea sometimes.

Plasma jet seemed to be best overall for pumps. but thats it no other effect?

Jacked : i like overall it give me better pumps then white flood , with good energy. side effect of a more tingle. also seems more consistent then white flood use after use. another bad side effect was my ears felt clogged and just a strange "sick" feeling for a couple hours after.

White flood was great the first time i used it had decent pump great "menta focusl" help. as well as good energy. but it seems my body got used to it way too fast compared to others. Also it goes bad fast and easy with humidity.

i have not gone through super pump 250 fully as it gave be stomach issues.

Nano vapor . very little pump , bad taste

Mri No2 plat. might as well be sugar pills

back a few years ago musletech had a n0 product that were big red horse pills . they were good for a decent pump as well.

I have also tried combo of WF and plasma jet, that gave great pump but its and expensive combo , had to go with this as WF itself was not doing much.
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Have to say this is a really long list but I Prefer Jack3d to any I have tried the tingle motivates me, it's telling you your ready for anything while some you have to have a mirror to see your veins surge I could be blind folded and know it's working.
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Old 12-02-2009, 07:11 PM   #7002
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Just got done with a tub of white flood and while I did like it...I felt extremely itchy and hot after my workouts. Another downside was that it started to lose it's potency half way through my 30 day run. So I decided to purchase jacked tonight and hopefully I fall in love with its simple, no filler formula. So far, superpump has been my absolute favorite pre-workout (lemon-burst is simply amazing) and the intensity remained constant for me throughout the whole tub. I wish I could drink it three times a day, because it is just so sensational. I will let you know how the jacked turns out and by the way, I still love my green mag cl. Was also going to purchase green mag and xtend at gnc today, but they didn't carry it and the worker had no clue what those two products were. F'n idiot!
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Old 12-02-2009, 08:36 PM   #7003
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Thumbs up N.O.-Xplode

Hey all! First post.

Today was my first day of N.O.X-plode. All I can say is, WOW. I took it about 8 hours ago on an empty stomach and I feel like I still have enough energy to go back to the gym. I benched an extra 20lbs.. which I think is really impressive.

I felt really jittery all day, and super alert and cognizant of everything. I took a post workout protein shake, and thats all I've eaten all day... just haven't had the appetite.

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If I'm taking a preworkout such as White Flood that has Arginine in its propietary blend, is it okay to take arginine from more sources or is that pointless or too much or what?
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:06 AM   #7005
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:39 AM   #7006
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WF: Was awesome, only took a 1 day sample, was great

SP250: AKA Superdump250, felt nothing

I think everyone on this board knows where to get a laxative should the need ever arise.

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no need for more, but it wouldnt hurt (within reason)
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no xplode..was great for me but the taste was terrible
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:36 PM   #7011
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