The constitution sucks

[Stizzel]

ITT we discuss why the constitution sucks.

So nutty collectivists can stop trolling my thread. Have fun boys!

[open_society]

to many reasons to list.

was good for 100 plus years tho.

[Galvatorex]

[LaChupacabras]

Originally Posted by Galvatorex

haha that's great.


The Constitution sucks because it has apparently been too easy to dismiss or misinterpret.

[TheCon]

The constitution sucks because it uses proper English as opposed to the more widely understood hick/hood ebonics. If the second amendment were to say, "Don't touch the f*ckin gats." The debate would be much simpler. Unfortunatley, they had to use commas and other such out of date, out of touch, 200 year old crap. Damn it.

[anikey]

The constitution sucks because it is outdated. Also, people back then were no less corrupt than people today.

lol @ people citing the constitution as the ultimate form of purity and goodness for the country.

[BlueBayou]

The Constitution is aged and outdated; as is our current form of federal gov created by it which no longer serves the best interests of our nation and people - but is in fact more like a cancerous tumor to it. Thus it has seen its useful days(as great as it once was) and has now shown that it is in need of replacement by something much better.

It is time for a new Constitution creating a government TRULY 'of the people, by the people, and for the people'. This would require a new Constitutional Convention that is empowered and created by the people. My belief is that the new form of federal government it creates would be a rather pure direct democracy, that itself is dynamic in its ability to create an even more perfect direct democracy as time passes, technology grows, and people are more educated to become a part of their government.

Almost all of our current and future problems would best be solved by all of us acting as one. I believe if this starts in the US, the greatness of it would naturally spread to the rest of the world and in the long term create a benevolent and effective world government(as opposed to the bull**** centralized elitist-slave police-state path we are on today).

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by TheCon

The constitution sucks because it uses proper English as opposed to the more widely understood hick/hood ebonics. If the second amendment were to say, "Don't touch the f*ckin gats." The debate would be much simpler. Unfortunatley, they had to use commas and other such out of date, out of touch, 200 year old crap. Damn it.

right to bear arms doesn't refer to guns. it refers to all weapons, btw. So the same would hold for baseball bats, knives, batans, tasers, and so on.

Originally Posted by anikey

The constitution sucks because it is outdated. Also, people back then were no less corrupt than people today.

lol @ people citing the constitution as the ultimate form of purity and goodness for the country.

Agreed. Except for the part about it being outdated. It's not outdated at all. Actually, it's gotten better with time(minus the amendment for Prohibition, but that was repealed, and also minus the amendment for the income tax....and also I'd get rid of the part that says the Congress has authority to coin gold and silver. It should prevent the government from having any role in money whatsoever).

Reason the Constitution ain't as great as some folks think is simply because it doesn't enforce itself. It doesn't keep government limited...but you could see this as a failure of the population rather than the Constitution itself. It was simply meant as a document to basically go "look, if the government starts breaking these rules, you're supposed to hold them accountable and vote them out and let everyone know that you'll vote out anyone who doesn't follow those rules"...but instead we have a population that has gotten to believe that it's ok to use the government to steal from each other. The Constitution doesn't attack politicians that violate it. It's supposed to be enforced by the voters.

Originally Posted by BlueBayou

The Constitution is aged and outdated; as is our current form of federal gov created by it which no longer serves the best interests of our nation and people - but is in fact more like a cancerous tumor to it. Thus it has seen its useful days(as great as it once was) and has now shown that it is in need of replacement by something much better.

It is time for a new Constitution creating a government TRULY 'of the people, by the people, and for the people'. This would require a new Constitutional Convention that is empowered and created by the people. My belief is that the new form of federal government it creates would be a rather pure direct democracy, that itself is dynamic in its ability to create an even more perfect direct democracy as time passes, technology grows, and people are more educated to become a part of their government.

Almost all of our current and future problems would best be solved by all of us acting as one. I believe if this starts in the US, the greatness of it would naturally spread to the rest of the world and in the long term create a benevolent and effective world government(as opposed to the bull**** centralized elitist-slave police-state path we are on today).

The problems with our government right now don't stem from the Constitution but from the lack of respect for it. The Constitution has it's problems, but most of the problems with government today are because they take on more power than the Constitution allows and they simply ignore this.

And no our problems would not be solved by "acting as one" in terms of government because that means you're going to use government (violence) to do so.

As well, the last time we had a Constitutional Convention we went from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution...in other words, it facilitated the growth of government. This is why some folks don't want another one.

As for pure democracy, they got problems of their own. They tend to promote a citizenry that steals from each other even more than what we currently got. And actually, I think many of our problems stem from people in politics and education emphasizing the importance of democracy and treating it with more reverence than freedom and voluntary interactions.

[Glitcher]

Honestly the #1 reason why the constitution sucks, is because there are no punishments for violating it. If the constitution had a clause that stated, "Any Poltician/government official who violates this document shall be hung" Their would probably be alot less violations.

#2 reason why it sucks is because of the supreme court system, Supreme court justices should not be selected by the president, for obvious reasons.

[YUL]

Originally Posted by Glitcher

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#2 reason why it sucks is because of the supreme court system, Supreme court justices should not be selected by the president, for obvious reasons.

wut? The president only nominates them

[all pro]

The constitution is perfect!
********************* Constitution of The United States of America ****************

First Plank: Abolition of property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Zoning - Model ordinances proposed by Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover widely adopted. Supreme Court ruled "zoning" to be "constitutional" in 1921. Private owners of property required to get permission from government relative to the use of their property. Federally owned lands are leased for grazing, mining, timber usages, the fees being paid into the U.S. Treasury.)

Second Plank: A heavy progressive or graduated incometax. (Corporate Tax Act of 1909. The 16th Amendment, allegedly ratified in 1913. The Revenue Act of 1913, section 2, Income Tax. These laws have been purposely misapplied against American citizens to this day.)

Third Plank: Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (Partially accomplished by enactment of various state and federal "estate tax" laws taxing the "privilege" of transfering property after death and gift before death.)

Fourth Plank: CONFISCATION OF THE PROPERTY OF ALL EMIGRANTS AND REBELS. (The confiscation of property and persecution of those critical - "rebels" - of government policies and actions, frequently accomplished by prosecuting them in a courtroom drama on charges of violations of non-existing administrative or regulatory laws.)

Fifth Plank: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (The Federal Reserve Bank, 1913- -the system of privately-owned Federal Reserve banks which maintain a monopoly on the valueless debt "money" in circulation.)

Sixth Plank: Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (Federal Radio Commission, 1927; Federal Communications Commission, 1934; Air Commerce Act of 1926; Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938; Federal Aviation Agency, 1958; becoming part of the Department of Transportation in 1966; Federal Highway Act of 1916 (federal funds made available to States for highway construction); Interstate Highway System, 1944 (funding began 1956); Interstate Commerce Commission given authority by Congress to regulate trucking and carriers on inland waterways, 1935-40; Department of Transportation, 1966.)

Seventh Plank: Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (Depart-ment of Agriculture, 1862; Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1933 -- farmers will receive government aid if and only if they relinquish control of farming activities; Tennessee Valley Authority, 1933 with the Hoover Dam completed in 1936.)

Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set "minimum wage" scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)

Ninth Plank: Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. (Food processing companies, with the co-operation of the Farmers Home Administration foreclosures, are buying up farms and creating "conglomerates.")

Tenth Plank: Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. (Gradual shift from private education to publicly funded began in the Northern States, early 1800's. 1887: federal money (unconstitutionally) began funding specialized education. Smith-Lever Act of 1914, vocational education; Smith-Hughes Act of 1917 and other relief acts of the 1930's. Federal school lunch program of 1935; National School Lunch Act of 1946. National Defense Education Act of 1958, a reaction to Russia's Sputnik satellite demonstration, provided grants to education's specialties. Federal school aid law passed, 1965, greatly enlarged federal role in education, "head-start" programs, textbooks, library books.

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by TheCon

The constitution sucks because it uses proper English as opposed to the more widely understood hick/hood ebonics. If the second amendment were to say, "Don't touch the f*ckin gats." The debate would be much simpler. Unfortunatley, they had to use commas and other such out of date, out of touch, 200 year old crap. Damn it.

OMFG that is hilarious. Please remind me to rep you.

I think using all caps would have made the document more easily understood by the public as well.

[DeadliftingBRB]

Originally Posted by Stizzel

ITT we discuss why the constitution sucks.

So nutty collectivists can stop trolling my thread. Have fun boys!

The Constitution established slavery. It was also written without minority representation.

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

right to bear arms doesn't refer to guns. it refers to all weapons, btw. So the same would hold for baseball bats, knives, batans, tasers, and so on.



Agreed. Except for the part about it being outdated. It's not outdated at all. Actually, it's gotten better with time(minus the amendment for Prohibition, but that was repealed, and also minus the amendment for the income tax....and also I'd get rid of the part that says the Congress has authority to coin gold and silver. It should prevent the government from having any role in money whatsoever).

Reason the Constitution ain't as great as some folks think is simply because it doesn't enforce itself. It doesn't keep government limited...but you could see this as a failure of the population rather than the Constitution itself. It was simply meant as a document to basically go "look, if the government starts breaking these rules, you're supposed to hold them accountable and vote them out and let everyone know that you'll vote out anyone who doesn't follow those rules"...but instead we have a population that has gotten to believe that it's ok to use the government to steal from each other. The Constitution doesn't attack politicians that violate it. It's supposed to be enforced by the voters.





The problems with our government right now don't stem from the Constitution but from the lack of respect for it. The Constitution has it's problems, but most of the problems with government today are because they take on more power than the Constitution allows and they simply ignore this.

And no our problems would not be solved by "acting as one" in terms of government because that means you're going to use government (violence) to do so.

As well, the last time we had a Constitutional Convention we went from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution...in other words, it facilitated the growth of government. This is why some folks don't want another one.

As for pure democracy, they got problems of their own. They tend to promote a citizenry that steals from each other even more than what we currently got. And actually, I think many of our problems stem from people in politics and education emphasizing the importance of democracy and treating it with more reverence than freedom and voluntary interactions.

The anti federalists were correct unfortunatly. The constitution was doomed to fail from day 1. Was only a matter of time.

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by Stizzel

The anti federalists were correct unfortunatly. The constitution was doomed to fail from day 1. Was only a matter of time.

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[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

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Its okay brah, the government is going to save us from that fail with more fail.

[War Machine]

I think the reason collectivist hate it is because it has words on it....and we should all know by now that they hate to read anything.

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by War Machine

I think the reason collectivist hate it is because it has words on it....and we should all know by now that they hate to read anything.

They just ignore all the words that don't say 'general welfare, interstate commerce'