Agmantine Sulfate?

sl4vik · 11-10-2009, 06:05 PM

I noticed both MAN Blueprint and iForce's new Hemavol contain this as a primary ingredient.

Can anyone explain what this is and what exactly the benefits for bbing are?

Also which would be better Blueprint or Hemavol?

bigla2004 · 11-10-2009, 07:18 PM

I had great results with blueprint.. and hemavol looks to be a great product on paper. It really depends on your goals for which would be "better". Here is some reading to do on them

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jrod17.htm

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=agmatine

MBSowards · 11-10-2009, 07:35 PM

I believe that Blue Print will end up being the better product. I am not sure how dosing the products in Hemavol every other day would end up being very beneficial.

VaughnTrue · 11-10-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MBSowards

I believe that Blue Print will end up being the better product. I am not sure how dosing the products in Hemavol every other day would end up being very beneficial.

oh yee of little faith...

Hemavol only has 5 less servings than blueprint, u could theoretically use it daily, and still save money over a full 4 week supply of BP.

VaughnTrue · 11-10-2009, 08:03 PM

Edit - make that 4 less servings.

So u can have AS + ala for $38.99 and 20 servings...

Or u can have AS + 5g cit malate, 2g GMS, 250mg norvaline, a-gpc, vit c, epimedium, rutacaerpine, niacin, and a HUGE methylcobalim dosage...

The comparison shouldn't even exist...what u pay for what u get? HemaVol is the CLEAR leader.

MBSowards · 11-10-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

Edit - make that 4 less servings.

So u can have AS + ala for $38.99 and 20 servings...

Or u can have AS + 5g cit malate, 2g GMS, 250mg norvaline, a-gpc, vit c, epimedium, rutacaerpine, niacin, and a HUGE methylcobalim dosage...

The comparison shouldn't even exist...what u pay for what u get? HemaVol is the CLEAR leader.

While I still don't understand how it's going to be that price, it's definitely a good deal for the ingredients you're getting. If dosed daily I think it will end up being a pretty solid product. Like I've said a few times here and there I will probably be picking it up and giving it a try.

VaughnTrue · 11-10-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MBSowards

While I still don't understand how it's going to be that price, it's definitely a good deal for the ingredients you're getting. If dosed daily I think it will end up being a pretty solid product. Like I've said a few times here and there I will probably be picking it up and giving it a try.

It will be less than blueprints normal price of $38.99...I'd expect 36-37 normally.

ZDub212 · 11-10-2009, 08:26 PM

How much AS in HemaVol?

I enjoyed BP very much, I hope this product lives up. Looks excellent.

But BP is Buy 2 Get 1 Free

bigla2004 · 11-10-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDub212

How much AS in HemaVol?

I enjoyed BP very much, I hope this product lives up. Looks excellent.

But BP is Buy 2 Get 1 Free

I think it's a gram.. which means it's the same as blueprint but without the ala, though the inclusion of a hell of a lot of other goodies.

ZDub212 · 11-10-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bigla2004

I think it's a gram.. which means it's the same as blueprint but without the ala, though the inclusion of a hell of a lot of other goodies.

It is nice, although I don't like GMS that much, and I do love R-ALA. We'll see how it goes.

bigla2004 · 11-10-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDub212

It is nice, although I don't like GMS that much, and I do love R-ALA. We'll see how it goes.

R-ALA is nice but rather unfriendly when doing low / no carb diets.

ZDub212 · 11-10-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigla2004

R-ALA is nice but rather unfriendly when doing low / no carb diets.

That's when I like it best!

VaughnTrue · 11-10-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bigla2004

I think it's a gram.. which means it's the same as blueprint but without the ala, though the inclusion of a hell of a lot of other goodies.

Yep 1000mg/serving

ZDub212 · 11-10-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

Yep 1000mg/serving

Where are dah logz bro?

bigla2004 · 11-10-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDub212

That's when I like it best!

Seriously? No signs of hypo?

ZDub212 · 11-10-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bigla2004

Seriously? No signs of hypo?

I'm conditioned this way. I'm low carb most of the time, so it's not a huge deal for me.

getbig1212 · 11-10-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

Yep 1000mg/serving

In another thread a MAN rep said Agmatine sulfate was not good as a pre workout. i'll find the exact quote. Thoughts?

getbig1212 · 11-10-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I'm not at all impressed with the other product you mentioned (the only products I like from iForce were their PH's). Using agmatine pre-workout is retarded. It's benefits will not be seen by using it pre-workout. It also needs to be taken daily. My fear is that hemavol gives agmatine a bad name. The most expensive ingredient, by far, in that product is agmatine... and it's being wasted.

Also, the R-ALA compliments agmatine in it's abilities to increase release of peptide hormones. ALA is NOT the same thing as R-ALA. R-ALA is used because of it's insulin mimetic action.

here's the post.

Yates Row T · 11-10-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bigla2004

R-ALA is nice but rather unfriendly when doing low / no carb diets.

im using it keto brah. trade me triple str fish fats naoooo...

i dont see how this product could be this price with what it contains knowing the price of agmatine alone but well see.

VaughnTrue · 11-10-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yates Row T

im using it keto brah. trade me triple str fish fats naoooo...

i dont see how this product could be this price with what it contains knowing the price of agmatine alone but well see.

When u stop buying product by the kilogram, and buy 100+kg-a metric
ton, prices come down. I guarantee u we pay less for AS than any company on this board. I also readily suggest anyone who doesn't think it's in there at the claime dosage to test it. If it fails, I'll gladly pay u the $ back the testing cost. It's made in a cgmp factory and is tested pre and post encapsulation

Macrobolic · 11-10-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by getbig1212

here's the post.

hmm, well the purpose is to increase NO production during a workout for the pump effect.

This study (granted it's an animal study) showed it to be a substance with systemic vasodilator activity (which will allow for great pumps).

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Agmatine: A novel endogenous vasodilator substance

Yuqi Gao, Bulent Gumusel, Gabor Koves, Anand Prasad, Qingzhong Hao, Albert Hyman, and Howard Lippton

Abstract

The purpose of the study was to investigate the effects of agmatine, an endogenous clonidine-displacing substance (CDS), on systemic hemodynamics in the anesthetized rat. Bolus intravenous (i.v.) injections of agmatine decreased systemic arterial pressure (SAP) and systemic vascular resistance in a dose-dependent manner. The development of acute tachyphylaxis to the systemic vasodepressor response to agmatine did not induce cross-tachyphylaxis to the systemic vasodepressor responses to bradykinin, isoproterenol and nitroglycerin. The present data demonstrate agmatine, as a CDS and agonist for imidazoline (I) receptors, possesses marked systemic vasodilator activity in the rat. The present data suggest that activation of I receptors may represent a novel mechanism of vasodilation in vivo.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...1c587dad75dc7d

However, it also had development of acute tachyphylaxis to the systemic vasodepressor response. Tachyphylaxis is basically when a drug decreases it's response when repeated doses are taken within a short amount of time. This is why Hemavol is only recommended on training days, so as to not see a decrease in NO production.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong though.

Bane · 11-10-2009, 09:52 PM

Competition and increase of demand always brings the prices down.

BiggJohn · 11-10-2009, 10:01 PM

Used bulk Agmatine with Anabolic Pump a while back, don't remember noticing any changes when I added Agmatine.

small_azn · 11-10-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDub212

It is nice, although I don't like GMS that much, and I do love R-ALA. We'll see how it goes.

Just wondering why you don't like GMS that much. I am interested in buying it and just want your opinion on it thanks.

Bane · 11-10-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by small_azn

Just wondering why you don't like GMS that much. I am interested in buying it and just want your opinion on it thanks.

3/4 fat, 1/4 glycerol.
I sell Glycerol at my pharmacy for 5$ per kilo.
Just my 2c

ozziemuscle · 11-11-2009, 12:05 AM

I never used Blueprint, but I used bulk... dosed at 1/g a day.. I noticed fuller pumps, but not extreme pumps like i'd get off Controlled labs GG.. those pumps were skin ripped!

I noticed better sleep, decent strength out of it..

Its always to see nice products, so much new stuff comes out its difficult to keep up or afford most of it.

**factotum** · 11-11-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BiggJohn

Used bulk Agmatine with Anabolic Pump a while back, don't remember noticing any changes when I added Agmatine.

I'd be leery of bulk powders where the manufacturer is unknown and when the vendor has past instances of quality control issues.

sl4vik · 11-11-2009, 12:00 PM

So can someone answer what the purpose of Agmantine is? I've heard increased NO, and better sleep.

VaughnTrue · 11-11-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sl4vik

So can someone answer what the purpose of Agmantine is? I've heard increased NO, and better sleep.

Increased NO, better insulin sensitivity, and nutrient partioning are what I use it for.

Yates Row T · 11-11-2009, 01:15 PM

Dont forget the increased release of pituitary hormones LH and GH. And the deeper sleep is a huge added benefit as well.