No health insurance? Then you go to jail.

[powerman2000]

How many people know that the Pelosi bill says you can be fined $250K and be sentenced to 5 years in prison for not having any health insurance? Where is the liberty and freedom in that?

I can see it now. A prison yard conversation goes something like this:

Inmate #1 says to inmate #2, "hey man, what are you in for?"

Inmate #2 says, "kidnapping and rape".

Inmate #2 says to inmate #1, "so what are you in for?"

Inmate #1 says, "no health insurance".

[FLAY]

oh snap

brb haulin' ass to mexico

[Heavy_Beats]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

How many people know that the Pelosi bill says you can be fined $250K and be sentenced to 5 years in prison for not having any health insurance? Where is the liberty and freedom in that?

I can see it now. A prison yard conversation goes something like this:

Inmate #1 says to inmate #2, "hey man, what are you in for?"

Inmate #2 says, "kidnapping and rape".

Inmate #2 says to inmate #1, "so what are you in for?"

Inmate #1 says, "no health insurance".

They are probably annoyed with people saying that x amount of Americans do not have health insurance.

[Jimmy_Hollywood]

Although I don't think there should be any mandate, I'd like to know where it says you can be fined 250k

[powerman2000]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Hollywood

Although I don't think there should be any mandate, I'd like to know where it says you can be fined 250k

I said it's in the Pelosi Bill.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...umentID=153583

Have you ever heard of Google?

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...ua_congressorg

[Jimmy_Hollywood]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

I said it's in the Pelosi Bill.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...umentID=153583

Have you ever heard of Google?

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...ua_congressorg

Sorry, but the top search result for Pelosi Bill links me to an article written by the same idiot that said there will be death panels, I figured I might as well ask you. And your thread title is a little misleading, not having health insurance won't land you in jail, not paying the 2.5% will.

[ibimusbtms]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Hollywood

Sorry, but the top search result for Pelosi Bill links me to an article written by the same idiot that said there will be death panels, I figured I might as well ask you. And your thread title is a little misleading, not having health insurance won't land you in jail, not paying the 2.5% will.

great point, thanks for calling him out on that lame post.

[Macrobolic]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Hollywood

Sorry, but the top search result for Pelosi Bill links me to an article written by the same idiot that said there will be death panels, I figured I might as well ask you. And your thread title is a little misleading, not having health insurance won't land you in jail, not paying the 2.5% will.

so it's 2.5%, not $250,000 (or is it the same in this case?)

[thepointman]

Originally Posted by Macrobolic

so it's 2.5%, not $250,000 (or is it the same in this case?)

Here is where the claim comes from:

If you don't have health insurance AND
If you can afford health insurance AND
If you refuse to obtain health insurance AND
If you refuse to pay the 2.5% income tax for not having health insurance AND
If you are fined for not paying the income tax (this is where the law allows up to $250,000 fine) AND
If you refuse to co-operate with the IRS in settling your tax bill THEN
You may be prosecuted for tax evasion whereupon the sentencing allows for prison time

Not only does this chain of events follow for ANYTHING related to federal taxes (i.e. if you cheat on your taxes you may go to jail), but it is extremely rare and the few cases that ever do reach this stage or high profile cases like Wesley Snipes or Al Capone who are deliberately trying to cheat the system in a big way.

As far as for health insurance? This will literally never happen to anyone, ever. The fear mongering is using the absolute worst case penalties allowed for law. It's basically like saying "You can be put in jail and fined $250,000 for using a clip of a copyrighted song in a Youtube video". Technically? Yes. Realistically? Never ever.

[jedi786]

Originally Posted by thepointman

Here is where the claim comes from:

If you don't have health insurance AND
If you can afford health insurance AND
If you refuse to obtain health insurance AND
If you refuse to pay the 2.5% income tax for not having health insurance AND
If you are fined for not paying the income tax AND
If you refuse to co-operate with the IRS in settling your tax bill THEN
You may be prosecuted for tax evasion whereupon the sentencing allows for prison time

Not only does this chain of events follow for ANYTHING related to federal taxes (i.e. if you cheat on your taxes you may go to jail), but it is extremely rare and the few cases that ever do reach this stage or high profile cases like Wesley Snipes or Al Capone who are deliberately trying to cheat the system in a big way.

As far as for health insurance? This will literally never happen to anyone, ever.

cept glen beck. lol

[Melkor]

I say we just shoot people without insurance in the face. Clearly they don't deserve to live.

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Hollywood

Sorry, but the top search result for Pelosi Bill links me to an article written by the same idiot that said there will be death panels, I figured I might as well ask you. And your thread title is a little misleading, not having health insurance won't land you in jail, not paying the 2.5% will.

That tax is used to pay for health insurance, so no matter what you're buying insurance. If you refuse you go to jail. If this gets passed it is going to set a lot of people off, many are refusing to pay and refusing to accept fines or jail time. I'm pretty sure you can figure out what that means.

And before anyone tries to paint that as irrational greed or partisan stupidity, lets consider what one of the few real socialists in Washington had to say about this bill:

“We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.


“Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000%. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick.


“But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies — a bailout under a blue cross.


“By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress’ blog, Think Progress, states “since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.” Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that “money will start flowing in again” to health insurance stocks after passage of the legislation. Investors.com last month reported that pharmacy benefit managers share prices are hitting all-time highs, with the only industry worry that the Administration would reverse its decision not to negotiate Medicare Part D drug prices, leaving in place a Bush Administration policy.


“During the debate, when the interests of insurance companies would have been effectively challenged, that challenge was turned back. The “robust public option” which would have offered a modicum of competition to a monopolistic industry was whittled down from an initial potential enrollment of 129 million Americans to 6 million. An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration. Looking ahead, we cringe at the prospect of even greater favors for insurance companies.


“Recent rises in unemployment indicate a widening separation between the finance economy and the real economy. The finance economy considers the health of Wall Street, rising corporate profits, and banks’ hoarding of cash, much of it from taxpayers, as sign of an economic recovery. However in the real economy -- in which most Americans live -- the recession is not over. Rising unemployment, business failures, bankruptcies and foreclosures are still hammering Main Street.


“This health care bill continues the redistribution of wealth to Wall Street at the expense of America’s manufacturing and service economies which suffer from costs other countries do not have to bear, especially the cost of health care. America continues to stand out among all industrialized nations for its privatized health care system. As a result, we are less competitive in steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping while other countries subsidize their exports in these areas through socializing the cost of health care.


“Notwithstanding the fate of H.R. 3962, America will someday come to recognize the broad social and economic benefits of a not-for-profit, single-payer health care system, which is good for the American people and good for America’s businesses, with of course the notable exceptions being insurance and pharmaceuticals.”

-Dennis Kucinich

[Galvatorex]

Originally Posted by Melkor

I say we just shoot people without insurance in the face. Clearly they don't deserve to live.

this, actually anyone who tries to take me to jail is getting shot in the face

[Moh7]

look powerman.... comensense....





comen..



sense...

[powerman2000]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Hollywood

Sorry, but the top search result for Pelosi Bill links me to an article written by the same idiot that said there will be death panels, I figured I might as well ask you. And your thread title is a little misleading, not having health insurance won't land you in jail, not paying the 2.5% will.

And if you don't have health insurance then you have to pay the penalty, so what's the difference?

[Macrobolic]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

And if you don't have health insurance then you have to pay the penalty, so what's the difference?

which apparently is NOT 250,000 dollars, and is rather 2.5% of you income tax. So yeah, pretty misleading, wouldn't you say.

[open_society]

Bull**** OP


































Ten points from Griffyndor

[Macrobolic]

Originally Posted by open_society

Bull**** OP

Ten points from Griffyndor

He's from slytherin brah

[eanhl2004]

Originally Posted by Macrobolic

He's from slytherin brah

lmao

[GirthyCawk]

Originally Posted by Macrobolic

He's from slytherin brah

lulz my thoughts exactly

[AndroShock]

Originally Posted by Melkor

I say we just shoot people without insurance in the face. Clearly they don't deserve to live.

Better not wait too long.