Why is everyone entitled to water? - Page 2

psamty · 11-09-2009, 07:27 PM

hwpnow, I must say you are doing a fine job making all leftists look moronic.

HELIX35 · 11-09-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

The point is that America would become more like those countries if we instituted your ideas. It's what it is now BECAUSE of these things you take for granted.

No, it wouldn't. That is one of the most pathetic attempts of justification I have ever seen.

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Wow, a shred of honesty from you. Can you now admit the two topics are incomparable or is that too much logic and non-partisan trolling to ask for?

thepointman · 11-09-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HELIX35

No, it wouldn't. That is one of the most pathetic attempts of justification I have ever seen.

Well if you can give me an example of a developed country that uses solely private institutions to deliver its water, I will agree with you. Otherwise, we go with the data we have.

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Wow, a shred of honesty from you. Can you now admit the two topics are incomparable or is that too much logic and non-partisan trolling to ask for?

What you fail to realize is that you are in no way compelled to buy government health insurance in this bill. You have a choice. If private insurance were banned, for anyone, even in margin situations, I could sympathize with your point. But as it is, you're just misrepresenting the truth.

goody1 · 11-09-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

You get access to them if you need them. Everyone ALWAYS needs access to health insurance, it being an insurance and all, hence the option should be open to everyone no matter what.

That said, if you're arguing that there should be some base level of food guarantee to every US resident, I don't think I would mind.

How much of your money do you donate to the local foodshelf every year?? Since it's a good idea and everyone is entitled I would expect that you must donate quite a bit to set the good example

Bushmaster · 11-09-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

What you fail to realize is that you are in no way compelled to buy government health insurance in this bill. You have a choice.

You have a choice now. Buy private insurance or not. Work for a company that offers insurance or not.

So WTF is going to be so great about Obamacare? Educate me...

Stizzel · 11-09-2009, 08:05 PM

Can anyone tell me how we're able to supply water to the entire country without legally forcing people to buy water and without taking 30% of my income?

Bushmaster · 11-09-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stizzel

Can anyone tell me how we're able to supply water to the entire country without legally forcing people to buy water and without taking 30% of my income?

Government: "We're gonna force you to have health insurance (or water), but in order to pay for it we're gonna tax the living sht out of you. Oh yeah, and it won't be free either because we're gonna make you pay for it again - and you'll still have to pay a portion of any medical bills you encounter on top of everything."

Obots: "I like it!"

thepointman · 11-09-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster

You have a choice now. Buy private insurance or not. Work for a company that offers insurance or not.

So WTF is going to be so great about Obamacare? Educate me...

You know the "or not" part? Yeah, that will go away. You know, the part that keeps a person from not being able to afford a doctor because his/her employer doesn't offer insurance (btw, who is going to work at McDonalds in your fantasy world where everyone just "works for a company that offers insurance"?) It means more choice FOR YOU. That's what's great about it.

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Originally Posted by goody1

How much of your money do you donate to the local foodshelf every year?? Since it's a good idea and everyone is entitled I would expect that you must donate quite a bit to set the good example

Zero because I can't afford it right now. BUT, even if I could, it wouldn't matter: one of the government's roles should be to do that. In an ideal world, the only private charities that would exist are the ones that provide non-essential services (Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, Boys and Girls Club, etc.). People shouldn't have to rely on private charity to survive.

HELIX35 · 11-09-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

Well if you can give me an example of a developed country that uses solely private institutions to deliver its water, I will agree with you. Otherwise, we go with the data we have.

"Hey guys, if we don't pass UHC we'll turn into Africa! This is a completely logical course of logic!"

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What you fail to realize is that you are in no way compelled to buy government health insurance in this bill. You have a choice. If private insurance were banned, for anyone, even in margin situations, I could sympathize with your point. But as it is, you're just misrepresenting the truth.

Under Pelosi's direction, anyone that does not buy health insurance will be thrown in jail.

HELIX35 · 11-09-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stizzel

Can anyone tell me how we're able to supply water to the entire country without legally forcing people to buy water and without taking 30% of my income?

We'll throw you in prison if you don't buy water!

thepointman - Great idea obama! I will support anything you want!

hwpnow · 11-09-2009, 08:49 PM

Honestly, I'm sick of public water fountains, public restrooms, I hate public beaches, I hate to fish and swim, that is, if the GOVERNMENT has anything to do with it, I HATE IT!

Personally, when I go to a water fountain, I want to pay for it, just like I pay for bottled water or pay to get my own money out of the bank at an ATM. Same with the restroom! $2.50 a flush I'd say! More for Rupert! Give him MORE! (or whatever CEO controls it).

As for the beach, well I think I should be able to pay to go to any and every beach there is, I believe the same about rivers, lakes, water falls or anything currently protected by our GOVERNMENT RUN National Parks. SCREW THAT! I want corporate logos, privatized land everywhere and fees.

I even believe in privatized air space, so if it rains or snows a company can own that, and charge those directly beneath their airspace for the rain and snow if they use it (snowmen, wells, a greener lawn, etc.)

No one is *entitled* to water. Water is a privilege extended to us by corporate America who should own it.

thepointman · 11-09-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HELIX35

"Hey guys, if we don't pass UHC we'll turn into Africa! This is a completely logical course of logic!"

Not turn into it: become more like it (and other places). The existence of social services are by and large what keep us from being like them.

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Originally Posted by HELIX35

Under Pelosi's direction, anyone that does not buy health insurance will be thrown in jail.

If you're against a mandate enforced by penalties, say that. It's a completely different discussion.

SDMuscleBuddy · 11-09-2009, 09:00 PM

The fact is that the way we distribute water makes sense. It's a shared resource that we all require, so we made it a shared expense. Otherwise, the cost to those furthest away from viable sources would be prohibatively expensive. In addition, if you aren't satisfied with the public water, you can get it from any number of private sources. This is exactly how the public option for health care should work.

Renons · 11-09-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

And don't give me any stupid reasons like "England does it".

Seriously, why is this? Why can't all water sources be privatized? Why does the GOVERNMENT have to be involved at all? I don't trust Obama, I mean who knows, what if he poisons the water with some kind of controlling agent so he can rule over Americans forever?

I think the GOVERNMENT should stay OUT of water, let Rupert Murdoch control all of it! Then I'd trust it more.

Right now, we use bottled water for everything. We drink it, shower with it, use it in our toilets, wash dishes with it, bath our dog with it, etc. Sure it's a steep monthly price, but it's worth it because corporate America whom I trust is in control.

Trolling is fun, no?

An hero · 11-09-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

And don't give me any stupid reasons like "England does it".

Seriously, why is this? Why can't all water sources be privatized? Why does the GOVERNMENT have to be involved at all? I don't trust Obama, I mean who knows, what if he poisons the water with some kind of controlling agent so he can rule over Americans forever?

I think the GOVERNMENT should stay OUT of water, let Rupert Murdoch control all of it! Then I'd trust it more.

Right now, we use bottled water for everything. We drink it, shower with it, use it in our toilets, wash dishes with it, bath our dog with it, etc. Sure it's a steep monthly price, but it's worth it because corporate America whom I trust is in control.

DangerDan · 11-09-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster

It doesn't.

Drill a well on your own property and you can keep the GOVERNMENT out of your water completely.

Enjoy your sulfur. lol

addiction543 · 11-09-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

Zero because I can't afford it right now. BUT, even if I could, it wouldn't matter: one of the government's roles should be to do that. In an ideal world, the only private charities that would exist are the ones that provide non-essential services (Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, Boys and Girls Club, etc.). People shouldn't have to rely on private charity to survive.

How is living off government programs any better than living off private charity?

HELIX35 · 11-09-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

Not turn into it: become more like it (and other places). The existence of social services are by and large what keep us from being like them.

Ok, so your "argument" has no basis in reality or logic and no bearing on the discussion, which you have now admitted.

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If you're against a mandate enforced by penalties, say that. It's a completely different discussion.

Ok, so your "argument" has no basis in reality or logic and no bearing on the discussion, which you have now admitted.

I don't even know why I respond to you.

gjohnson5 · 11-09-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by viper30j

Because without it we die.

That sounds like a good reason to have publically available healthcare to me

Resonator · 11-10-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gjohnson5

That sounds like a good reason to have publically available healthcare to me

Also sounds like a good reason to have free housing and air conditioning, especially if you live in a desert. How are you supposed to survive hot Arizona weather if you don't have a house with AC?

You know what, we might as well throw cars in there, too. Many people have jobs that require long travel and it's just not possible without cars. Public transport is a pain, and doesn't always work with people's schedules. How am I suppoed to live if I can't get to work?

dixon · 11-10-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

And don't give me any stupid reasons like "England does it".

Seriously, why is this? Why can't all water sources be privatized?

If people are entitled to a good or a service, that means the are entitled to the slavery of the people who pay for or create that thought and service. If anything, such as "water" "health care" or "education" is a right, then slavery is the result.

The only actual rights are to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. Those rights do not entail a claim to anyone else's life.

enkaroxch · 11-10-2009, 01:21 AM

Can't private citizens buy into utilities? The only reason the government is there is because the infrastructure for something like that is massive and requires coordination throughout the entire region. The owners are still basically private citizens such as Warren Buffet who's Berkshire owns percentages in a couple of Utilities. No one is entitled to water, the people that use water pay a bill and there stuff is shut off once they don't pay. There is no government program that forces everybody to buy water.

Xero Gio · 11-10-2009, 01:27 AM

There are certain things are known as "natural monopolies." These include power companies, cable, and, among other things, water.

Basically, to give a layman's definition of a natural monopoly: it's when one provider is the most efficient provider of a product, so much so that increased "competition" or privatization would actually create inefficiency regarding production.

It just so happens that due to the nature and necessity of water in the United States for the purposes of irrigation and, subsequently agriculture, it just makes more sense.

Why? You really want to pay more for your food, transportation, and essentially every other commodity because you prefer a more economically inefficient alternative?

I didn't think so.

r0gue6 · 11-10-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster

It doesn't.

Drill a well on your own property and you can keep the GOVERNMENT out of your water completely.

Except the government requires you to test your water if its for drinking.

So yah, you fail.

Heavy_Beats · 11-10-2009, 01:52 AM

No American is entitled to water.

Mr Beer · 11-10-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by thepointman

Do you know how many Africans that walk 5 miles daily for their water would beat the **** out of you for telling them that getting water delivered to your house by the government is evil communist fascism and that they have more freedom because of their hardships?

Not many...they're all too weak from the lack of water. Or is it, too drunk on freedom? One of the two anyway.

Rogesi · 11-10-2009, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

I even believe in privatized air space, so if it rains or snows a company can own that, and charge those directly beneath their airspace for the rain and snow if they use it (snowmen, wells, a greener lawn, etc.)

You may joke about that, but it will happen.
I promise.

Heavy_Beats · 11-10-2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

Honestly, I'm sick of public water fountains, public restrooms, I hate public beaches, I hate to fish and swim, that is, if the GOVERNMENT has anything to do with it, I HATE IT!

Personally, when I go to a water fountain, I want to pay for it, just like I pay for bottled water or pay to get my own money out of the bank at an ATM. Same with the restroom! $2.50 a flush I'd say! More for Rupert! Give him MORE! (or whatever CEO controls it).

As for the beach, well I think I should be able to pay to go to any and every beach there is, I believe the same about rivers, lakes, water falls or anything currently protected by our GOVERNMENT RUN National Parks. SCREW THAT! I want corporate logos, privatized land everywhere and fees.

I even believe in privatized air space, so if it rains or snows a company can own that, and charge those directly beneath their airspace for the rain and snow if they use it (snowmen, wells, a greener lawn, etc.)

No one is *entitled* to water. Water is a privilege extended to us by corporate America who should own it.

Are you running for president, you embody the American dream and I think your a shoe in.

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Originally Posted by Rogesi

You may joke about that, but it will happen.
I promise.

hwpnow has some competition but what else do you offer corporate America.

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Here is my contribution.

1) Privatise all roads = Lowers taxes, Increase in retail sales which means more jobs and the end of the recession!

If a restaurant owns the main street in a town they can funnel everyone through the drive-through increasing sales. Genius.

Lets that it one step further:

Commercial motorways can charge a fee for using them which is a great way to make money but this is short sighted. This one motorway could be split up into hundreds of businesses and you could be treated to car washes, fast food restaurants, life insurance companies, army recruitment offices, adult book stores and even bed and breakfast.

Speaking of bed and breakfast, you could park your car on the highway and a lovely young lady will wash your car, bring you fast food, sign you up to life insurance, recruit you into the army and to top it off she can make your night complete.

Capitalism for the win! America ... yeah!

nutsy54 · 11-10-2009, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

Honestly, I'm sick of public water fountains, public restrooms, I hate public beaches, I hate to fish and swim, that is, if the GOVERNMENT has anything to do with it, I HATE IT!

I'll ask again: Do you have any idea what a laughingstock you've become?

You clearly have absolutely no way to support this monstrosity of a "health care" bill, so all you're left with is absurd attacks against wildly exaggerated fairy tales that you continue to pull out of your ass.

When was the last time you were threatened with a huge fine (or even jail) if you chose to not drink from a "public" water fountain?

m.bowen · 11-10-2009, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hwpnow

And don't give me any stupid reasons like "England does it".

Seriously, why is this? Why can't all water sources be privatized? Why does the GOVERNMENT have to be involved at all? I don't trust Obama, I mean who knows, what if he poisons the water with some kind of controlling agent so he can rule over Americans forever?

I think the GOVERNMENT should stay OUT of water, let Rupert Murdoch control all of it! Then I'd trust it more.

Right now, we use bottled water for everything. We drink it, shower with it, use it in our toilets, wash dishes with it, bath our dog with it, etc. Sure it's a steep monthly price, but it's worth it because corporate America whom I trust is in control.

Excellent troll thread is excellent!