Pelosi Bill Has Radical Agenda

[powerman2000]

The healthcare reform plan being pushed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and President Barack Obama and passed by the House on Saturday illustrates the Democrats' radical agenda, says former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey.


In an op-ed article appearing Saturday on The Wall Street Journal's Web site, McCaughey reveals shocking details of the 1,990-page bill.


Some of the more alarming aspects of the bill, according to McCaughey:


"Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later."

"Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement."

"Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients."

"On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17 percent of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20 percent of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer."

"Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20 percent of seniors). Advantage plans have warned this will result in reductions in optional benefits such as vision and dental care."

"Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community 'entities' with no required qualifications except having 'documented community activity and experience with community healthcare workers' to 'educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities' aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity."

"Secs. 2521 and 2533 (pp. 1379 and 1437) establishes racial and ethnic preferences in awarding grants for training nurses and creating secondary-school health science programs."

[Blindead]

and this is saving us money...how?

[Bluerain]

Pelosi is a Radical Rag Hag !

She should be locked up for playing a part in destroying this Country along with her cronies !

[Bluerain]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

"Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement."

Their exempt because many don't pay taxes (Work off the books) and Pelosi and cronies know this so their exempt and won't be fined but will get Free Healthcare and you and I will have to pay for it.

Wonder how many more will rush to come here now that healthcare is free plus they don't have to worry about the rules that apply to you and I ..American Citizens !

[AFXC1]

.....So much blood on her hands

[Bushmaster]

I have insurance provided by the company I work for and have no idea - but...

Originally Posted by powerman2000

"On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17 percent of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20 percent of its pre-tax income.

Couldn't a person who didn't have company insurance buy insurance on their own for a HELL of a lot cheaper than that?

[SDMuscleBuddy]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

[b]"Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later."

Here is the actual text of this section of the bill:

"(b) ADOPTION OF STANDARDS.?
(1) INITIAL STANDARDS.?Not later than 18
months after the date of the enactment of this Act,
the Secretary shall, through the rulemaking process
consistent with subsection (a), adopt an initial set of
benefit standards.
(2) PERIODIC UPDATING STANDARDS.?Under
subsection (a), the Secretary shall provide for the
periodic updating of the benefit standards previously
adopted under this section.
(3) REQUIREMENT.?The Secretary may not
adopt any benefit standards for an essential benefits
package or for level of cost-sharing that are inconsistent
with the requirements for such a package or
level under sections 222 (including subsection (d))
and 223(b)(5)."

The Secretary's guidelines are pretty specific in sections 222 and 223 so it's not going to be a complete mystery and the Secretary won't have carte blanche.

Didn't you confirm the article before posting it?

[thepointman]

Originally Posted by Bushmaster

Couldn't a person who didn't have company insurance buy insurance on their own for a HELL of a lot cheaper than that?

Heh. You have no idea what actual insurance costs do you? Go online and find me a decent plan that is a HELL of a lot cheaper.

Hint: A good plan for a healthy young male can cost $1000/month. $5000/year is comparatively a BARGAIN

[Blindead]

What's the implication for people who get coverage as a dependant and/or through work? I get amazing coverage through my mom's job and through school.

[powerman2000]

Originally Posted by SDMuscleBuddy

Here is the actual text of this section of the bill:

"(b) ADOPTION OF STANDARDS.?
(1) INITIAL STANDARDS.?Not later than 18
months after the date of the enactment of this Act,
the Secretary shall, through the rulemaking process
consistent with subsection (a), adopt an initial set of
benefit standards.
(2) PERIODIC UPDATING STANDARDS.?Under
subsection (a), the Secretary shall provide for the
periodic updating of the benefit standards previously
adopted under this section.
(3) REQUIREMENT.?The Secretary may not
adopt any benefit standards for an essential benefits
package or for level of cost-sharing that are inconsistent
with the requirements for such a package or
level under sections 222 (including subsection (d))
and 223(b)(5)."

The Secretary's guidelines are pretty specific in sections 222 and 223 so it's not going to be a complete mystery and the Secretary won't have carte blanche.

Didn't you confirm the article before posting it?

See, it's your fatal interpretation that leads to your lack of understanding the bill's intentions. In no way does the section you highlighted discount the article's content.

[powerman2000]

Originally Posted by thepointman

Hint: A good plan for a healthy young male can cost $1000/month. $5000/year is comparatively a BARGAIN

That is total bull-schit

[powerman2000]

Originally Posted by Blindead

What's the implication for people who get coverage as a dependant and/or through work? I get amazing coverage through my mom's job and through school.

If the bill passes, all bets are off.

There are zero guarantees her company insurance options won't change.

[rockyl686]

not surprised

[Bushmaster]

Originally Posted by thepointman

Heh. You have no idea what actual insurance costs do you? Go online and find me a decent plan that is a HELL of a lot cheaper.

Hint: A good plan for a healthy young male can cost $1000/month. $5000/year is comparatively a BARGAIN

You're right, I didn't know. However I got several online quotes and the most expensive one I could find was from United Healthcare and it cost a whopping $386.00 a month. $500 deductible and $35 co-pay too.

https://www.gohealthinsurance.com/plans/quote/quote

So I'll ask again - WHY does anybody need teh gubmint to shove insurance down their throats when they can go out and buy it on their own?

Try basing your arguments around reality instead of Obama's talking points. Google doesn't engage in fear mongering..

[reyalp]

Originally Posted by Bushmaster

You're right, I didn't know. However I got several online quotes and the most expensive one I could find was from United Healthcare and it cost a whopping $386.00 a month. $500 deductible and $35 co-pay too.

https://www.gohealthinsurance.com/plans/quote/quote

So I'll ask again - WHY does anybody need teh gubmint to shove insurance down their throats when they can go out and buy it on their own?

Try basing your arguments around reality instead of Obama's talking points. Google doesn't engage in fear mongering..

lol, now little red will follow up by telling you people are dying in the streets.
in 6 years he's never lifted a finger to help these people he knows are dying in the streets, but it's still all the Republican party's fault. It's the Republican party's fault that he didn't help those people.

[Bushmaster]

Originally Posted by reyalp

lol, now little red will follow up by telling you people are dying in the streets.
in 6 years he's never lifted a finger to help these people he knows are dying in the streets, but it's still all the Republican party's fault. It's the Republican party's fault that he didn't help those people.

"But.. but.. Fox News said..."

[cavymeister]

Originally Posted by powerman2000

That is total bull-schit

Not necessicarily. It depends on what state your in. The .gov plan is about what I pay for for my entire family in VA with, from the surface, looks to be the same benefits. He was from NY, and the plans can be COMPLETELY different state to state. That's why the (R) plan was to allow interstate sale of insurance policies. But that makes too much sense.