Do you have to have a pwo?

jgreenhaus · 11-08-2009, 06:45 PM

Ive been eating breakfast, lunch, a snack, and then dinner. I have a scoop of whey included in both my snack and breakfast. A lot of times i will be eating dinner like 30 mins after my workout but sometimes i dont get my workout in until after dinner. Is something post-workout like required?

xenowhat · 11-08-2009, 06:50 PM

I've read if you have a good preworkout meal then postworkout isn't as important, as you'll probably be still digesting the nutrients. I'd wait for some more replies, though.

ira_est_a_donum · 11-08-2009, 07:26 PM

if you are going to eat dinner 30 min post workout... then make that your post workout meal...you can have a little carbs during the workout if you want..

on days you have workout after dinner then yes you will need some sort of post workout meal most likely...

jgreenhaus · 11-08-2009, 07:35 PM

On the days where i cant workout till after dinner, what is the purpose of a pwo meal? If i get all my nutrients throughout the day will i be fine or do i have to be getting certain things in specifically after i work out. I know that you should get in carbs after your workout, but is it completely necessary?

Mikey6119x · 11-08-2009, 07:40 PM

Im a big fan of both pre and post workout shakes and or meals.. the pre just to be sure that you have enough proteins and things in your system that may be readily needed during the session and its always nice to not be super hungry with a growling stomach while trying to get through a rough session..

as for the post i think these are super important your body goes into a mode where it is ready to absorb any and everything because your muscles and body just became so depleted of so many different things that it sort of in a shock.. so withing 15-30 mins after a workout it is IMO crucial to have some sort of a PWO consisting of a fast absorbing protein (preferably whey) and simple carbs (they are both easily broken down and absorbed (immediately pushed into muscles and cells) ..Ive even heard ( and i know its a little on the Extreme side) that if your are lacking a PWO meal or shake that its almost like not going i dunno if its that extreme all though it could be.. but i just know that im sure to have both a pre and post with evvvvery session.. but for me personally ive found that i feel a lot better with a pre workout meal(boosts energy levels and I just feel better all around) and some sort of PWO after because it helps bring me back to a more stable place (blood sugars replaces, carbs Etc..) after a workout your cells are like sponges ready to absorb whatever is made available so make sure its all high quality stuff not junk food or fatty crap

so to sum all this up yes i feel it is definitely necessary. and as I usually say with all these threads theres a lot of info about this stuff look around you will find it : )

jgreenhaus · 11-08-2009, 07:55 PM

will i still get gains without out a pwo?

Mikey6119x · 11-08-2009, 10:25 PM

ill make a real simple example out of it : )

say your muscles are blocks and each time you workout hard your tear these blocks down.. now when your finished exercising the workers around these blocks search for all the pieces they can to rebuild them bigger and stronger.. so a PWO would be the extra blocks and pieces used to rebuild them..

going without them(PWO) is like telling the workers to rebuild them without any of the tools or pieces necessary to do so..

does this make more sense? i think after reading this the question about gains will be answered also if you want to get bigger you need to eat.. and lots (and that doesnt mean junkfood you need full healthy sources like, chicken,beef, fish, bread, fruits, milk, veggies Etc..)

but i also just noticed that is says your are only 16 i just replied to a diff thread to someone whos 13 and askin q's about fitness and or nutrition and just as a precautionary note ill leave you the link to it because if your askin questions about PWO stuff (and only 16) im going to assume that you probably have many more q's and or might need to do a bit more research about this stuff and i dont mean this in a negative way im only telling you this stuff so you dont end up injured or damaging organs or any other number of things that could go wrong for someone who doesn't really know what they are doing yet.. there is a lot more to getting bigger than just eating here and there and lifting weights.. soooo i would recommend checking with a doctor about all this stuff and or investing in some sort of a trainer or working with a coach(one that is actually knowledgeable with this stuff) from your school to help you out and get you set on the right track before you end up injured also this will help you reach your goal much faster and above all Safer

RandyJH · 11-08-2009, 11:13 PM

As previously stated, don't worry about the post workout meal assuming you ate something as a pre workout meal. No biggy. If you like tho you can just swap out one of your shakes and have it after your workout.

chipmunkproof · 11-08-2009, 11:37 PM

Is there a reason why you cant eat after dinner?

MarkVI · 11-08-2009, 11:49 PM

You need a post workout meal....you will still make gains without but you're shortchanging yourself....POST WORKOUT IS A MUST

snorkelman · 11-09-2009, 02:38 AM

Stats: 5'10", 133 lbs

Dude, you just need to start eating more food than you currently eat if you expect to gain muscle. Fit it in whenever you can, but pre and post workout are key times.

jgreenhaus · 11-09-2009, 02:25 PM

1 scp of whey, some water, 1 banana , on days when i have dinner before wkout is this a good enough pwo?

BlueFenix13S · 11-09-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkVI

You need a post workout meal....you will still make gains without but you're shortchanging yourself....POST WORKOUT IS A MUST

^^^^^

jgreenhaus · 11-09-2009, 06:25 PM

would 1scp whey + 1 banana+ 1 cup light soy milk or 1 scp whey + 1 banana + water be better? I know a banana isnt as effective as say dextrose but can i still get sufficent required pwo carbs from the banana? and soy milk or water for pwo shake?

bb.wolf · 11-09-2009, 07:13 PM

the meal you've eaten before wrkout will take a while to digest so you'll be getting protein. it would be good if you downed a shake during/after your workout

jgreenhaus · 11-09-2009, 07:18 PM

would 1scp whey + 1 banana+ 1 cup light soy milk or 1 scp whey + 1 banana + water be better for pwo? I know a banana isnt as effective as say dextrose, but can i still get sufficent required pwo carbs from the banana? and light soy milk or water for pwo shake?

jgreenhaus · 11-10-2009, 05:10 AM

would 1scp whey + 1 banana+ 1 cup light soy milk or 1 scp whey + 1 banana + water be better for pwo? I know a banana isnt as effective as say dextrose, but can i still get sufficent required pwo carbs from the banana? and light soy milk or water for pwo shake?

happymatei · 11-10-2009, 05:50 AM

you are on fire, u are posting the same thing over and over here and in the other thread
ppl already told u, why do u keep on asking the same thing?

it is very simple: eat more!

jgreenhaus · 11-10-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by happymatei

you are on fire, u are posting the same thing over and over here and in the other thread
ppl already told u, why do u keep on asking the same thing?

it is very simple: eat more!

no, actually havent gotten a clear answer to the question

snorkelman · 11-10-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jgreenhaus

no, actually havent gotten a clear answer to the question

Yes you have. If you persist in ignoring the advice given, people will stop giving you advice.

jgreenhaus · 11-10-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by snorkelman

Yes you have. If you persist in ignoring the advice given, people will stop giving you advice.

i HAD gotten an answer to my original question about whether it was necessary and what i was referring to was if the shake i had posted was sufficient in meeting what i needed

snorkelman · 11-10-2009, 01:56 PM

I see what you're saying now, but as stated above, you already have a specific thread about the soy milk banana thing. When you start cross posting, that's when the mods will come in and not be happy with you. Sometimes nobody answers and that's just the way it goes. That whole soy milk thing is an interesting issue, but I never bothered answering because (as I suspect is the reason that many people viewed it but didn't bother posting) because it won't make much of a difference either way.

YES, the banana is fine post workout as a carb source. If you like soy milk, go for it. If you prefer to get the calories that soy milk would be giving you from some other food instead, then skip the soy milk. water will be fine.

jgreenhaus · 11-10-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by snorkelman

I see what you're saying now, but as stated above, you already have a specific thread about the soy milk banana thing. When you start cross posting, that's when the mods will come in and not be happy with you. Sometimes nobody answers and that's just the way it goes. That whole soy milk thing is an interesting issue, but I never bothered answering because (as I suspect is the reason that many people viewed it but didn't bother posting) because it won't make much of a difference either way.

YES, the banana is fine post workout as a carb source. If you like soy milk, go for it. If you prefer to get the calories that soy milk would be giving you from some other food instead, then skip the soy milk. water will be fine.

alright thanks, for help man and would 30-40g of quaker quick oats be superior to the banana for carbs as i think they are a bit higher GI? if i went by alans post i believe the thought is the carb source doesnt rly matter i just dont know what is exactly true

klir_2m · 11-10-2009, 04:34 PM

If you skip pre or post WO nutrition you're just cutting yourself short. You don't have to go crazy either, ex I just have 24 oz of whole milk before and after. Alan Aragon recommends more carbs/protein than this in his PPWO nutrition thread but I've seen a study elsewhere that found no difference between 20g protein and higher amounts for post workout nutrition. The subjects were probably untrained college age males so mileage may vary, but I manage to get more calories in within 30 mins to an hour after anyway.

UWBodybuilding · 11-10-2009, 04:37 PM

LOL, come on bros. Everyone knows it's calories in vs. calories out. Doesn't matter what you eat or when you eat it.

OP, don't eat preworkout or postworkout. Just eat your daily macros right when you wake up and don't eat again until the next day's breakfast and do the same thing!!

(Strong sarcasm)

Eat PWO.

jpbroschat · 11-10-2009, 08:57 PM

It really can be difficult to fit so many meals in per day, and having both a pre, and post workout meal can be a little time consuming if you over do it. Try tossing together a scoop or two of protein powder and some chocolate milk for post workout, it will resupply your body with a lot of nutrients that help it recover, and will give you a few extra hundred calories or so to help you hit your macros

Mikey6119x · 11-11-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by snorkelman

I see what you're saying now, but as stated above, you already have a specific thread about the soy milk banana thing. When you start cross posting, that's when the mods will come in and not be happy with you. Sometimes nobody answers and that's just the way it goes. That whole soy milk thing is an interesting issue, but I never bothered answering because (as I suspect is the reason that many people viewed it but didn't bother posting) because it won't make much of a difference either way.

YES, the banana is fine post workout as a carb source. If you like soy milk, go for it. If you prefer to get the calories that soy milk would be giving you from some other food instead, then skip the soy milk. water will be fine.

i agree with all the stuff you are saying except the soy things.. stay away from soy in terms of being healthy yeah its great but for BB no.. it acts as estrogen so keep away from it.. look it up

and to get back to (both) of your q's yes drink a pre and post workout shake and or meal.. you Post should preferably be a shake made of whey because it will get into your body the quickest .. and for me i really just classify things as simple or complex carbs banana simple.. oatmeal complex get a mix of both during the day for sustainable energy and again with your POST get simple carbs so they will get into your body Faster..

it seems like you have lots of q's though so i would suggest just lookin up things and just read up on them.. and make sure they are reputable sources and if you have any q's about the things you are reading or if doesnt look right come to the forums and everyone here would be more than happy to help you out and answer some q's : )

albert88 · 11-11-2009, 04:56 PM

I think 95% of people need to read Alan Aragon's posts and materials.

snorkelman · 11-12-2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey6119x

i agree with all the stuff you are saying except the soy things.. stay away from soy in terms of being healthy yeah its great but for BB no.. it acts as estrogen so keep away from it.. look it up

Depends on how much soy you are talking about. I agree that a male bber and a diet comprised of getting all protein from soy is not a good idea, however, there is no reason that soy has to be completely eliminated from a bb diet for fear of growing man-boobs.

RealMenDeadLift · 11-12-2009, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by snorkelman

Depends on how much soy you are talking about. I agree that a male bber and a diet comprised of getting all protein from soy is not a good idea, however, there is no reason that soy has to be completely eliminated from a bb diet for fear of growing man-boobs.

can't sleep either eh there snorkel?