Derek Charlebois, Rob Moran, and Marc Lobliner's Legendary 2010 Prep

[Scivation]

It is amazing that there are any black bodybuilders left in the IFBB....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_349602.html

[MKW]

Originally Posted by Scivation

It is amazing that there are any black bodybuilders left in the IFBB....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_349602.html

Haha I saw this the other day on deadspin, how does that happen? Crazy.

[MAX-OT-IVAN]

Originally Posted by Scivation

It is amazing that there are any black bodybuilders left in the IFBB....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_349602.html

LOL

WOW! Sammy looks terrible as a white boy!

[Scivation]

Originally Posted by MKW

Haha I saw this the other day on deadspin, how does that happen? Crazy.

Steroids don't cause whiteness. Ask Wesley Snipes.

[billfinkbiner]

Originally Posted by Scivation

Steroids don't cause whiteness. Ask Wesley Snipes.

If they did 50 Cent would be the next Eminem.

[BluSilver]

Originally Posted by Scivation

Steroids don't cause whiteness. Ask Wesley Snipes.

hahahahaha. White+Wesley Snipes=Steven Segal??

[abdotoni]

Originally Posted by Scivation

Steroids don't cause whiteness. Ask Wesley Snipes.

Marc here's what I've tried, I usually take as a pre-workout 2 scoops of vasocharge+2 scoops of xtend, and during my workout I sip on 6 scoops of xtend, I always felt the best. today I tried 2 scoops of vasocharge with an extra caffeine pill and only sipped on 6 scoops of xtend rather than 8. I felt like **** man, after my workout, I felt jittery, I felt tired and weired and hungry, why do you think?

[Scivation]

Originally Posted by abdotoni

Marc here's what I've tried, I usually take as a pre-workout 2 scoops of vasocharge+2 scoops of xtend, and during my workout I sip on 6 scoops of xtend, I always felt the best. today I tried 2 scoops of vasocharge with an extra caffeine pill and only sipped on 6 scoops of xtend rather than 8. I felt like **** man, after my workout, I felt jittery, I felt tired and weired and hungry, why do you think?

Common sense tells me that you were overstimulated.

So take less caffeine. Problem solved. You should be thankful that you didn't poop all over yourself.

[abdotoni]

Originally Posted by Scivation

Common sense tells me that you were overstimulated.

So take less caffeine. Problem solved. You should be thankful that you didn't poop all over yourself.

hahaha I did all day. All I know that there's no way I can workout without xtend, this thing is like a freacking magic man, especially when I started taking the extra 2 scoops with the vasocharge, it gets you going man

[abdotoni]

Originally Posted by Scivation

Calm down homie, twas a joke!

Like how everyone at the gym listens to the big guy with acne.


Wow, you need a Xanax.

Marc do you recomend taking 2scoops of xtend with vasocharge and 4 scoops xtend during the workout or just take the vasocharge by itstself, and 6 scoops of xtend during my workout?

[Scivation]

Originally Posted by abdotoni

Marc do you recomend taking 2scoops of xtend with vasocharge and 4 scoops xtend during the workout or just take the vasocharge by itstself, and 6 scoops of xtend during my workout?

That works.

[abdotoni]

Originally Posted by Scivation

That works.

which one is more effective?

[Scivation]

Originally Posted by abdotoni

which one is more effective?

It makes no difference.

Dude, stop worrying about this subtle BS.

[jacked in MI]

Originally Posted by Beast

The majority of the pain is gone, just a little tender (barely noticeable). This week all I will be doing is stretching. I stretched this morning and will stretch again this evening. I should be back in the gym next Monday and will be stretching post-workout (as always) along with an evening stretch session focusing on improving my posture.

Glad to hear!

I've added stretching into my training since I pulled my right quad a few weeks back. I should have listen to the benefits of stretching years ago.

[ladiesluvmeh]

Originally Posted by Scivation

I would rather see ATHLETES on more of a modified CHA with CARBS or Lean Mass Diet. Derek can set this up as well through www(dot)teamscivation(dot)com.

lean mass would be good on a cut for a lineman? modified as in cho through out the day or just after my workouts?

[DIreland89]

Originally Posted by abdotoni

which one is more effective?

You could just simply follow the study guide lines, or read the label on the bottle!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sv/xtend.html

[DIreland89]

Originally Posted by ladiesluvmeh

lean mass would be good on a cut for a lineman? modified as in cho through out the day or just after my workouts?

I would say it would depend are you in season? Or is the off season and you need to lose some weight? Either Way I would just let Derek do it for you, he seems to be pretty good at it :P

[MAX-OT-IVAN]

Originally Posted by BluSilver

hahahahaha. White+Wesley Snipes=Steven Segal??

A better looking Steven Segal.. lol

Originally Posted by abdotoni

Marc here's what I've tried, I usually take as a pre-workout 2 scoops of vasocharge+2 scoops of xtend, and during my workout I sip on 6 scoops of xtend, I always felt the best. today I tried 2 scoops of vasocharge with an extra caffeine pill and only sipped on 6 scoops of xtend rather than 8. I felt like **** man, after my workout, I felt jittery, I felt tired and weired and hungry, why do you think?

Woah! No wonder you felt like crap. 2 scoops Vaso is great!

I had gotten some caffeine pills a couple years back. For some reason when I take a pill it makes me feel kinda crappy. But when I ingest the same amount of caffeine via a different form, like Vaso or even a Red Eye or energy drink, no issues. Caffeine affects everyone a bit differently. I love Vaso because it includes other ingredients which increase the efficacy of the caffeine.

[jaim91]

Originally Posted by Beast

The majority of the pain is gone, just a little tender (barely noticeable). This week all I will be doing is stretching. I stretched this morning and will stretch again this evening. I should be back in the gym next Monday and will be stretching post-workout (as always) along with an evening stretch session focusing on improving my posture.

Awww! This is awesome D!!!! Time to get the old YOU back! New and improved!

[Scivation]

Originally Posted by ladiesluvmeh

lean mass would be good on a cut for a lineman? modified as in cho through out the day or just after my workouts?

It depends, are you offseason?

[Rainman174]

Originally Posted by Scivation

I would stack Dialene 4x with Primaforce 1,3 Dimethyl PreWO right now from the new research and theories I have been presented and how it is working for me. D4X and vaso together is a lot of stims! I am trying Vaso PWO and am loving it!

There is no set caffeine intake limit as it is highly individual. Anyone who sets a blanket, arbitrary limit on caffeine intake is an assclown. Heck, my good buddy Dr. Jim Stoppani used to rock a GRAM of caffeine PreWO and he is arguably the best scientist the sport nutrition industry has ever seen.

Stop overthinking things Big Tony!

Marc, quick question, the Primaforce 1,3 Dimethyl. What is this and why will it help you PreWO instead of PWO?

[mad86]

anybody know if there is any literature anywhere that shows working a third shift job has effect on fat loss and lean mass gains. I just got put on third and i was doing research and they say that at night your metabolism slows down. I am eating all night so what would that mean.

[abdotoni]

Originally Posted by MAX-OT-IVAN

A better looking Steven Segal.. lol



Woah! No wonder you felt like crap. 2 scoops Vaso is great!

I had gotten some caffeine pills a couple years back. For some reason when I take a pill it makes me feel kinda crappy. But when I ingest the same amount of caffeine via a different form, like Vaso or even a Red Eye or energy drink, no issues. Caffeine affects everyone a bit differently. I love Vaso because it includes other ingredients which increase the efficacy of the caffeine.

well the reason I'm trying to get more caffeine it's because I workout really early like 4:30 am, and I dont sleep until 11pm, so the vasocharge wasn't giving the boost, so I don't know if I should try getting used to the pill maybe with time it will work, because I read so much benefits about stacking ur most caffeine in the morning fr ur workout, it burns a lot of body fat

[Spottydog]

Originally Posted by abdotoni

well the reason I'm trying to get more caffeine it's because I workout really early like 4:30 am, and I dont sleep until 11pm, so the vasocharge wasn't giving the boost, so I don't know if I should try getting used to the pill maybe with time it will work, because I read so much benefits about stacking ur most caffeine in the morning fr ur workout, it burns a lot of body fat

Oh wow. Once in a while I get away with little sleep, but everyday? How do you even recover?

[dfunk]

Originally Posted by mad86

anybody know if there is any literature anywhere that shows working a third shift job has effect on fat loss and lean mass gains. I just got put on third and i was doing research and they say that at night your metabolism slows down. I am eating all night so what would that mean.

Well I do not have any literature BUT I have been working night shift for 1 year. Working nights has had absolutely NO effect on fat loss or lean mass gains. I'm not saying that it doesn't effect your health (maybe, maybe not) but I am saying that for physique purposes I haven't noticed anything. Just eat your meals as you would in the daytime. I wake up at 3pm and have meal 1 and then continue eating meals all they way up until 7am or so (I go to bed around 9am). THE WORST THING YOU COULD DO IS STRESS OUT ABOUT IT AND NOT EAT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HEARD YOUR METABOLISM SLOWS DOWN AT NIGHT. Personally, I think that is BS because the most successful cut I've had to this day has been while on the overnights. Just my .02.

[Scivation]

Originally Posted by Rainman174

Marc, quick question, the Primaforce 1,3 Dimethyl. What is this and why will it help you PreWO instead of PWO?

It is PURE SICK ENERGY BABY!!

Originally Posted by mad86

anybody know if there is any literature anywhere that shows working a third shift job has effect on fat loss and lean mass gains. I just got put on third and i was doing research and they say that at night your metabolism slows down. I am eating all night so what would that mean.

NO! Your body adapts. 3rd shift becomes normal for you. The same reason I can train before the sun comes up.

Originally Posted by abdotoni

well the reason I'm trying to get more caffeine it's because I workout really early like 4:30 am, and I dont sleep until 11pm, so the vasocharge wasn't giving the boost, so I don't know if I should try getting used to the pill maybe with time it will work, because I read so much benefits about stacking ur most caffeine in the morning fr ur workout, it burns a lot of body fat

More is not always better, big homeslice. Your adrenals are probably shot to hell. Rather than taking more, take time off or DECREASE it, then raise it back up.

You've just lost that lovin' feelin'.0

Originally Posted by Spottydog

Oh wow. Once in a while I get away with little sleep, but everyday? How do you even recover?

Sleep is HIGHLY individual. I usually roll with under four hours a night.

Originally Posted by dfunk

Well I do not have any literature BUT I have been working night shift for 1 year. Working nights has had absolutely NO effect on fat loss or lean mass gains. I'm not saying that it doesn't effect your health (maybe, maybe not) but I am saying that for physique purposes I haven't noticed anything. Just eat your meals as you would in the daytime. I wake up at 3pm and have meal 1 and then continue eating meals all they way up until 7am or so (I go to bed around 9am). THE WORST THING YOU COULD DO IS STRESS OUT ABOUT IT AND NOT EAT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HEARD YOUR METABOLISM SLOWS DOWN AT NIGHT. Personally, I think that is BS because the most successful cut I've had to this day has been while on the overnights. Just my .02.

Indeed.

[Scivation]

11-9-09

Back and Traps

AGS-10 Training (inspired by the great Dorian Yates)


Workout Supplements

PreWO: 2-- Dialene 4x, 2--Primaforce 1,3 Dimethly

DURING WO: 6 scoops Xtend

PWO: 2 scoops Vasocharge, 2 scoops Xtend


Diet


Meal 1
70g Scivation Whey
32g Peanut butter
50p, 15f, 335 calories


Meal 2
Egg whites
32g Peanut butter
30g Oatmeal
50p, 15f, 30c 455 calories

Meal 3
70g Scivation Whey
32g Peanut butter
50p, 15f, 335 calories

Meal 4
8oz Chicken
32g Peanut butter
50p, 15f, 335 calories

Meal 5
70g Scivation Whey
32g Peanut butter
50p, 15f, 335 calories

Meal 6
4 scoops Solution 5
42p, 15f, 303 cals

Meal 7
8oz Chicken
32g Peanut butter
4oz sweet potato
50p, 15f, 30c, 455 calories

Meal 8
Egg Whites
32g Peanut butter
Broccoli
50p, 15f, 335 calories




Training


10 minute warm up

Rows
135 x 10
225 x 6
315 x 6
All out
365 x 8
315 x 6
225 x 7

T-Bar row
1 feel set
All out
4 plates x 8
3 sets
2 sets

Hammer strength low row
6 plates per side x 8

Db one arm row
150 x 8

Cable low row
All out set

Hammer strength row
All out set

Barbell shrug
405 to failure

Rope front Pullover VOLUME
7 sets of 10
1 set of 6

DB Shrugs
100 x 10 for 6 sets
100 x 6 for 1 set

Hanging leg raise
10 sets


Cardio: 20 minutes

[Scivation]

Some chest sexy today!

[MKW]

Originally Posted by abdotoni

hahaha I did all day. All I know that there's no way I can workout without xtend, this thing is like a freacking magic man, especially when I started taking the extra 2 scoops with the vasocharge, it gets you going man

Interesting. Someone told me that Xtend is primarily for recovery and doesn't do much in regards to energy in the gym. False? Because I'm looking for an energy supplement but don't want to take Vasocharge just yet because I'm currently holding off on creatine.

[DIreland89]

Originally Posted by MKW

Interesting. Someone told me that Xtend is primarily for recovery and doesn't do much in regards to energy in the gym. False? Because I'm looking for an energy supplement but don't want to take Vasocharge just yet because I'm currently holding off on creatine.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=113689801

Read ze study! I feel like it gives me a bit of pick up when working out as well. But it does not contain caffeine if that is what you're asking. Also here is a quote from the supplement page about xtend :P.

Xtend is a precise, scientific blend of Energy Aminos consisting of the proven 2:1:1 ratio of Branched Chain Amino Acids (L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine and L-Valine), Glutamine, Citrulline Malate, and Vitamin B6 that will give you the energy you need to maximize your training while enhancing recovery at the same time.

Hope that helps