Allmax cremagnavol (3mpd)

[JK12]

I know this is a new product by Allmax. I decided to pick it up today because I finished up on cell-tech and I didn't wall the bloating and gas that creatine mono gave me so the guy at the store recommended this product. I guess it has creatine-magnesium chelate, which is suppose to be a lot better than creatine mono.

has anyone taken this product and what are your thoughts on it?
hopefully i didnt waste my money.

[xStevenx]

You did not waste your money at all!
This is the most bio-available form of creatine out there! it also does not get converted into creatine's nasty little by product, creatinine

With most creatines you need an insulin spike to get it into your muscle cells, not with this, since there is no insulin spike, you will actually be able to use fat for energy during your workout.

you also have some beta alanine in there for a nice strength and endurance boost

let us know how you like it! Give it about 3 days to fully kick in!

[hulkmash]

You didn't waste your money, but the bioavailability can be debated.

[BULLandTERRIER]

Originally Posted by xStevenx

You did not waste your money at all!
This is the most bio-available form of creatine out there! it also does not get converted into creatine's nasty little by product, creatinine

With most creatines you need an insulin spike to get it into your muscle cells

Pure science ...

[Eightpak]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

Pure science ...

There may not be an advantage over Creatine Mono as far as performance goes, but lots of people complain of stomach discomfort and bloating when it comes to mono as well as there being non-responders. Creatine normally enters the cells via a sodium gated channel where as Creatine Magnesium Chelate is supposed to enter the cells through a ligand-gated channel in theory allowing for better overall absorption. As you can see from the study performed on the individuals below, there was no real difference between mono and creatine magnesium chelate on performance, however if you are a non-responder to mono or have bloating and stomach issues this may very well be the answer to your problems.

There are very few studies done on creatine-magnesium chelate but the idea behind it is well worth giving it a shot. There have been many people who have seen outstanding results from creatine magnesium chelate and get nothing out of mono. Just search the forums.


Mg2+-creatine chelate and a low-dose creatine supplementation regimen improve exercise performance.

Selsby JT, DiSilvestro RA, Devor ST.
Section of Sport and Exercise Sciences, The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio 43210, USA.

We tested the hypotheses that, compared with a placebo group or creatine (Cr) group, a Mg(2+)-Cr chelate group would demonstrate improvements in the 1 repetition maximum (1RM) on the bench press and be able to perform more work at 70% of the 1RM for the bench press. Thirty-one weight-trained men were randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to a placebo group (multidextran), a Cr group (2.5 g of Cr daily), or a Mg(2+)-Cr group (2.5 g of Cr daily). Baseline data were collected for the bench press 1RM and maximal work completed during a fatigue set at 70% of the 1RM. Following 10 days of Cr supplementation, follow-up tests were completed for the dependent variables. Groups were similar when the change in 1RM was evaluated either absolutely or relatively. Both the Cr and the Mg(2+)-Cr groups had significantly larger increases in work, both absolutely and relatively, when compared with the placebo group. Partial support for the hypothesis suggests that low doses of Cr are effective at increasing fiber Cr content, and consequently, performance. Further, the Cr and Mg(2+)-Cr groups were similar in both performance tests, suggesting that the proposed mechanism of entry is no better than the conventional method when 2.5 g of Cr is administered and performance is measured as work. This study raises the possibility that a low dose of Cr may be an effective means of enhancing performance after short-term ingestion.

[in10city]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

Pure science ...

This. Lets see the comparative pharmacokinetics. I wonder how Creatine HCl would fair in this debate

Very little creatine ends up as creatinINE.

And you don't need an insulin spike to get creatine through the sodium-chloride dependant creatine transporter.

I'm not anti-MCC at all, but let's get a reality check.

[BULLandTERRIER]

Originally Posted by in10city

very little creatine ends up as creatinine.

And you don't need an insulin spike to get creatine through the sodium-chloride dependant creatine transporter.

how dare you beeing faster than me!!!

[BULLandTERRIER]

Yo eightpak

ALLMAX CreaPure micronized creatine monohydrate is the best creatine supplement that I have used in over 10 years in this game,just sayin'

[Eightpak]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

Yo eightpak

ALLMAX CreaPure micronized creatine monohydrate is the best creatine supplement that I have used in over 10 years in this game,just sayin'

Thanks for the feedback. It's some good stuff for sure. I have nothing against mono. I take it myself and there's hundreds of studies that support its effectiveness. Creatine Magnesium Chelate is just another form of creatine that may pose some benefits over mono for some people. CreMAGnaVol is more than just creatine magnesium chelate though.

[BULLandTERRIER]

Originally Posted by Eightpak

Thanks for the feedback. It's some good stuff for sure. I have nothing against mono. I take it myself and there's hundreds of studies that support its effectiveness. Creatine Magnesium Chelate is just another form of creatine that may pose some benefits over mono for some people. CreMAGnaVol is more than just creatine magnesium chelate though.

I have nothing against Creatine Magnesium Chelate, I'm against unsupported claims :

"This is the most bio-available form of creatine out there! it also does not get converted into creatine's nasty little by product, creatinine

With most creatines you need an insulin spike to get it into your muscle cells"

[xStevenx]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

I have nothing against Creatine Magnesium Chelate, I'm against unsupported claims :

"This is the most bio-available form of creatine out there! it also does not get converted into creatine's nasty little by product, creatinine"

OK I should have elaborated a bit. It does not get converted into creatinine in stomach acid, a good amount of say, monohydrate does. once it is converted, there really isnt too much of a benefit from it.

"the formation of a chelate of creatine with magnesium using patented Albion technology, can protect the creatine from this cyclization and make higher quantities of the physiologically active form of creatine available to the metabolic activities of the muscle cells and yield a higher energy status."

from: nutrabio.com

just wanted to make myself clear

[JK12]

thanks for the info guys. This product seems to work as far as strength goes, but for some reason im not gaining weight as I was when taking creatine mono. When I was taking creatine mono I gained 5 pounds. since i started taking cremagnavol i actually lost about 5 pounds. I dont know if thats fat weight that ive lost but it doesnt seem right lol. One complaint I do have is the pills break easy, and half of the pills are broken which is a piss off for something you buy for $70 canadian.