Primordial's PreMAX

[NattyDisaster]

The label on this stuff looks beautiful. And I rarely use the word beautiful.

http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/pre-max.html

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 40g (2 serving scoops)
Servings per container: 10

Protein
11g
22%


Other Dietary Ingredients



GlycoCarn® (Glycine Propionyl L-Carnitine Hydrochloride)
4.5g
**

GSE Grapeseed extract (Vitis vinifera) (standardized to 95% oligomeric proanthocyanidins)
400mg
**

Pomegranate extract (punica granatum) (standardized to 40% punicalagins)
150mg
**

Tomato extract (standardized to 10% lycopene)
120mg
**

Amino Acids (from Di & Tri-Peptides in PeptoPro®)
12g
**

Alanine
276mg


Arginine
360mg


Asparganine
600mg


Cysteine/Cystine
12mg


Glutamine
924mg


Glycine
168mg


Histidine?€*
640mg


Isoleucine?€*
456mg


Leucine?€*
900mg


Lysine?€*
708mg


Methionine?€*
312mg


Phenylalanine?€*
444mg


Proline
1020mg


Serine
492mg


Threonine?€*
348mg


Tryptophan?€*
96mg


Tyrosine
528mg


Valine?€*
612mg




Vitamins (Naturally occurring from 18g organic freeze-dried pomegranate)
Vitamin C
6mg
9%

Vitamin B6
0.1mg
5%

Pantothenic Acid
0.5mg
5%

Minerals and Electrolytes



Calcium (as calcium diphosphate and from PeptoPro and pomegranate)
105mg
11%

Phosphorus (from PeptoPro and from PeptoPro and pomegranate)
20mg
2%

Magnesium (as magnesium oxide and from PeptoPro and pomegranate)
63mg
16%

Zinc (as zinc sulfate and from PeptoPro and pomegranate)
6mg
39%

Copper (from PeptoPro and pomegranate)
0.1mg
5%

Manganese (from PeptoPro and pomegranate)
0.5mg
26%

Chloride (as sodium chloride)
70mg
2%

Sodium (as sodium chloride and from PeptoPro and pomegranate)
63mg
3%

Potassium (as potassium bicarbonate, pomegranate and PeptoPro)
270mg
8%

Sulfate (as zinc sulfate)
10mg
**

Bicarbonate (as potassium bicarbonate)
46mg
**

Phosphate (as calcium diphosphate)
40mg
**




Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet

?€*Essential amino acids

** Daily value not established



Ingredients: Organic freeze-dried pomegranate, PeptoPro® brand hydrolyzed casein protein isolate.

Other ingredients: Natural flavors, malic acid, stevia extract, lou han guo extract.

Noy soy

No artificial sweeteners or colors

No preservatives

No added sugars

[NattyDisaster]

What do you gurus have to say?

[StringerrBell]

Originally Posted by NattyDisaster

What do you gurus have to say?

Looks awesome. But 50 bucks for 10 servings. Ouch

[ncangey0513]

That's one solid profile. Hopefully the price drops a bit when it's picked up by etailers as I really don't have the funds to spend $5/serving on anything. That does look like one hell of an expensive formula, though, so I can't see it really being THAT affordable.

[Heracles25]

Is that amount of both Peptopro and GlycoCarn that expensive? Like the Pomegranate and Grape Seed Extract in there.

[piglesia]

Looks awesome, but I knew this stuff would be ridiculously expensive. What happened to the arginocarn though?

[jgrate]

Originally Posted by piglesia

Looks awesome, but I knew this stuff would be ridiculously expensive. What happened to the arginocarn though?

Thats what i was wondering.

[Problem]

10 servings for 40$?

Hmmmmm ?

[ZB126]

looks incredible but expensive

PP consistently puts out excellent products so I can't imagine this is any less than great

[Madevilz]

Originally Posted by Problem

10 servings for 40$?

Hmmmmm ?

make it 10 servings for 50...

dayum

[sl4vik]

Wow BRB paying $5 per servings.

For $5 per workout it should give steroid like results. 10 servings is ridiculous. I'm a fan of primordial, but this is just stupid.

[NattyDisaster]

Originally Posted by Heracles25

Is that amount of both Peptopro and GlycoCarn that expensive? Like the Pomegranate and Grape Seed Extract in there.

Yea. If you work out the math of cost per serving if you were to buy all the ingredients in bulk yourself, it ends up costing about $7/serving.

So this is probably the first supplement ever you save money buy getting it from a manufacturer.

[NattyDisaster]

Originally Posted by piglesia

Looks awesome, but I knew this stuff would be ridiculously expensive. What happened to the arginocarn though?

I saw in another thread they are saving it for Post Max. There's no need for the arginine in there with the GPLC

[_Smitty_]

we appreciate all the support in here, guys! we're very excited about this and we're pleased to see that most of you are, too... as i've mentioned before, the gauntlet's been thrown and we've thrusted ourselves into that ultima/vengeance category of reputable and non-bro-backed pre-workout products.

the price is going to be a point of contention for nearly everyone, but you can see by the formulation that no expense was spared in making it... please remember that peptopro and glycocarn are patented formulas, and are quite expensive to source.

for those who are put off by the price, you can most certainly half-dose it to double the servings.

keep your eyes peeled, as well, because we're currently working on a way to give some away.

[sizeNstrength]

Originally Posted by NattyDisaster

Yea. If you work out the math of cost per serving if you were to buy all the ingredients in bulk yourself, it ends up costing about $7/serving.

So this is probably the first supplement ever you save money buy getting it from a manufacturer.

Great work Natty!! I was just about to post the same thing.



Of course, without knowing the quality of the ingredients, the price is a put off at first. But you would still see amazing benefits half dosing like _smitty_ said. You could even stack it with your fav. stim preworkout for a hell of a kick.

If you lift 5/7 days - at half dose - you get a month's supply.

[_Smitty_]

Originally Posted by sizeNstrength

If you lift 5/7 days - at half dose - you get a month's supply.

good post, chan!

that's the type of economical thinking that people most often overlook.

[WIULifter]

also you can make this your own monster by subbing in different things ie BCAA, BA, Creatine, stims, the list is endless. I plan on utilizing some sort of combo

[sl4vik]

I'm sorry guys, but the price point and 10 servings is just ridiculous. I really don't expect many people will buy it just because it costs so damn much.

[ncangey0513]

Originally Posted by NattyDisaster

Yea. If you work out the math of cost per serving if you were to buy all the ingredients in bulk yourself, it ends up costing about $7/serving.

So this is probably the first supplement ever you save money buy getting it from a manufacturer.

I know for a fact that Body Octane is also cheaper to buy from MAN (at least it was). There used to be a guy on here named dwm(insert a bunch of numbers here) who broke down a lot of different formulas and how much it would cost to make your own product vs. buying it pre-made.

[bloodsimple1234]

looks fantastic!! should produce some excellent pumps/vasularity on it's own!

does not look like it needs any addition,but a nice perk anyway!

[MRB123]

Originally Posted by bloodsimple1234

looks fantastic!! should produce some excellent pumps/vasularity on it's own!

does not look like it needs any addition,but a nice perk anyway!

Thanks for the support!

[rhizome]

Ironically 1.5 grams of GPLC is just as effective as 4.5 grams for da pumpz.

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by StringerrBell

Looks awesome. But 50 bucks for 10 servings. Ouch

I know it's a little pricey but when you consider this is a prewo and NO product that can double as your intrawo amino supplement, it goes a long way as an all-in-one supplement.

Originally Posted by jgrate

Thats what i was wondering.

We're saving the ArginoCarn for our PWO supplement.

Originally Posted by sizeNstrength

Great work Natty!! I was just about to post the same thing.



Of course, without knowing the quality of the ingredients, the price is a put off at first. But you would still see amazing benefits half dosing like _smitty_ said. You could even stack it with your fav. stim preworkout for a hell of a kick.

If you lift 5/7 days - at half dose - you get a month's supply.

You could even save it for your most brutal, intense workouts, 2-3 times per week. This can stretch Pre-Max out to around a month.

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by Death_Head55555

PreMaX
Hemavol
Swagger

Word

[blackcatt]

I'm definitely going to be trying it eventually. I sure do wish those super sweet Pp fellas would do that $10 off intro deal like they did with the liqui-vade.

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by blackcatt

I'm definitely going to be trying it eventually. I sure do wish those super sweet Pp fellas would do that $10 off intro deal like they did with the liqui-vade.

lol

I wish we could give you guys a deal too. But the price is already so low we can't even sell it to distributors and give them a discount

[WIULifter]

Originally Posted by Adjusting

lol

I wish we could give you guys a deal too. But the price is already so low we can't even sell it to distributors and give them a discount

dang, wish we could as well

[kappaz]

Why are all pp products gone from the bb store?

[_Smitty_]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Ironically 1.5 grams of GPLC is just as effective as 4.5 grams for da pumpz.

are you referring to the Univ./Memphis study that showed a 55% increase in nitrate/nitrite concentrations at 4.5g. over a 13% increase with 1.5g.?

[eldawg]

Originally Posted by NattyDisaster

Yea. If you work out the math of cost per serving if you were to buy all the ingredients in bulk yourself, it ends up costing about $7/serving.

So this is probably the first supplement ever you save money buy getting it from a manufacturer.

Really? I just did a quick search and a back of the napkin calculation and found that the BB.com cost of everything except for the freeze dried pomegranate was about $4.11 per serving. Its a mx of caps and powders and not likely the cheapest options.

This included:

12 grams of Pepto pro
4.5 grams of Glycocarn
400 mg of GSE
Pomegranate extract and Lycopene
(missing the freeze dried pomegranate)