why natural bodybuilding cant take off

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by visionz

wat

This does not happen just by not working and eating all day:

You got leveled brah.

[Drinman]

Originally Posted by Sonic06

Stop bumping old useless threads.

How is this thread useless? Explain.

[Sonic06]

Originally Posted by Drinman

How is this thread useless? Explain.

First of all, you have a video of cancer survivors hitting the gym as the definition of NATURAL BODYBUILDING. Right off the bat this thread went the wrong direction.

Second, it turned into a witch hunt. Some people posted certain bodybuilders who supposedly are/were natural, while others said things like "as natural as a 70 year old's erection" (which was pretty funny I might add).

The fact is that we can't know for sure who is juicing and who isn't. We can guess and have an opinion, but in the end that is all it is, AN OPINION. Then you get 50 pages of the same bullshit argument going back and forth and an agreement is never reached (not that an agreement is ever reached on the internetz). So why don't we save some time and just leave it at "we agree to disagree" and end the discussion there.


What am I talking about? Fuck it. The stupid shit some people say make the thread a little worth it. Besides there is nothing going on as far as competitions to look forward to. Let the arguing continue.

[graphlex]

Originally Posted by LiftedRJ

we need more natural bodybuilders being sponsered by supplement companies i feel that would validate them more then having dudes who use roids marketing there products. its just weird.

The post below shows why the supplement companies will keep using the chemically enhanced athletes for their ads and sponsorship. There are people who actually believe that the IFBB pros could be natural (no fault of the IFBB pros as none of them would be foolish enough to make this claim nor do the supp companies). The supp companies are just counting on the fact that most will discount the usage factor and believe the supps had something to do with the results. People need to educate themselves on the products and disregard the chemically enhanced guy holding the bottle in the ad.

Originally Posted by dennis black

i think you guys have forgot that ...greene eats for a living ....we have jobs were we have to juggle our food...so i think greene could very well be natural....all they do is eat all day and train

[Sonic06]

Originally Posted by visionz

wat

This does not happen just by not working and eating all day:

I think you got this wrong. What he said was that Kai's job IS bodybuilding. So since that is his main objective he can make progress faster than people that have a regular 9-5 job. These people have to juggle their meals and workout time around work. While Kai doesn't have to deal with any of the other bull**** that the 9-5 job requires.

[Penile_Dementia]

Originally Posted by Sonic06

I think you got this wrong. What he said was that Kai's job IS bodybuilding. So since that is his main objective he can make progress faster than people that have a regular 9-5 job. These people have to juggle their meals and workout time around work. While Kai doesn't have to deal with any of the other bull**** that the 9-5 job requires.

Brah...

Originally Posted by dennis black

i think you guys have forgot that ...greene eats for a living ....we have jobs were we have to juggle our food...so i think greene could very well be natural....all they do is eat all day and train

[Sonic06]

Originally Posted by Penile_Dementia

Brah...

Oh I wasn't validating that statement, don't get me wrong. I was just clarifying what he meant by "kai just eats." I should have made that explicit.

[dennis black]

thats why we call it a forum sonic ...its just to debate give ideas ..we dont need to bad mouth each other ..so what its an old thread..let them debate we will never figure out who,s on the the juice and who,s not but its fun to try and figure out,im sure when you were growing up you seen a kid in your school who was muscular as all hell but he never lifted a weight in his life...some people can bend over and lick there own ass ...then some cant...its just life every one is differant with differant body make up ...some peoples hormones keep delivering till there in there 40s ....no static intended

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Originally Posted by dennis black

thats why we call it a forum sonic ...its just to debate give ideas ..we dont need to bad mouth each other ..so what its an old thread..let them debate we will never figure out who,s on the the juice and who,s not but its fun to try and figure out,im sure when you were growing up you seen a kid in your school who was muscular as all hell but he never lifted a weight in his life...some people can bend over and lick there own ass ...then some cant...its just life every one is differant with differant body make up ...some peoples hormones keep delivering till there in there 40s ....no static intended

Noone who competes in the Olympia is natural. u mad?

[dennis black]

naturaly we no there on , but ocasionally you find a competitor who say,s there not in kai case he says he,s not ....so im not mad to think he,s not on ...until proven guilty

[craig//nicol]

Originally Posted by dennis black

naturaly we no there on , but ocasionally you find a competitor who say,s there not in kai case he says he,s not ....so im not mad to think he,s not on ...until proven guilty

wut?

[Ian_B]

Originally Posted by dennis black

naturaly we no there on , but ocasionally you find a competitor who say,s there not in kai case he says he,s not ....so im not mad to think he,s not on ...until proven guilty

Kai is one of the biggest if not the biggest guy in the IFBB. You are delusional as hell if you think he's natty.

[KarateChris]

Originally Posted by dennis black

naturaly we no there on , but ocasionally you find a competitor who say,s there not in kai case he says he,s not ....so im not mad to think he,s not on ...until proven guilty

Spoken like someone who truly doesn't know the sport nor has ever competed in the NPC.

Also, I even remember Blechman in an interview with Kai saying he remembers Kai when he first started when he was still natural and then Kai made a face like oh crap you didn't just say that.

Ronnie Coleman went on Jay Leno and said he was natural. These guys aren't going to admit to taking illegal drugs when they're still sponsored by supplement companies and in the spotlight of the sport.

[DavisForman]

Originally Posted by dennis black

naturaly we no there on , but ocasionally you find a competitor who say,s there not in kai case he says he,s not ....so im not mad to think he,s not on ...until proven guilty

Barry Bonds also said he wasn't on steroids... look how that has gone over for him.

Just because someone says they don't take em doesn't mean they don't. Anyone who competes on the olympia stage, and probably any IFBB bodybuilder today is on the juice.

[DavisForman]

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Ronnie Coleman went on Jay Leno and said he was natural. These guys aren't going to admit to taking illegal drugs when they're still sponsored by supplement companies and in the spotlight of the sport.

^^^This, although Jay Cutler did admit he was on the juice in a deleted scene from Bigger Faster Stronger

[KarateChris]

Originally Posted by DavisForman

^^^This, although Jay Cutler did admit he was on the juice in a deleted scene from Bigger Faster Stronger

Yea some of them aren't going to lie, but it's not like that was on the Jay Leno show. Even when he was asked by that Fox news reporter before the 2008 Olympia about steroids being allowed in bodybuilding, he said that creatine and other supplements were allowed and didn't directly tell them that he took AAS.

"Bigger, Stronger, Faster" was designed to be a straight true to life representation of AAS use in sports... also of interest is that scene was deleted along with all the bodybuilders talking about taking AAS. Which leads me to believe the supplement companies didn't want that publicity. Some people are actually stupid enough to believe that Jay won the olympia because of Jay Cutler's Mass Stak by muscletech...

And really it all boils down to ignorance. There are also the people who believe they're all just walking pharmacies and they could be that big if they took what Jay Cutler is taking... a lot of eyes would be open if more people used AAS and realize that steroids aren't the answer to the question: how can I turn pro.

[DavisForman]

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Some people are actually stupid enough to believe that Jay won the olympia because of Jay Cutler's Mass Stak by muscletech...

Or too lazy, and are just trying to convince themselves thats how he won lol. When someone tells you they have the answer to what you want, no matter how ridiculous it may be, people will try it as it is the easier path.

Like those stupid muscletech ads in magazines about how you could gain 14 pounds of muscle in as many days... its just not possible, and yet people still go out and buy the product. Stupid? For some, probably, but I think people are just lying to themselves. Deep down they know there is no magic answer, but they are too lazy to grind out the hours in the gym and not eat crap 24/7.

[Grinners]

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Ronnie Coleman went on Jay Leno and said he was natural. These guys aren't going to admit to taking illegal drugs when they're still sponsored by supplement companies and in the spotlight of the sport.

It's all about the audience.

If it is the right audience, they will be honest.

If it is an ignorant audience, filled with sheep (99% of the world), then they won't.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

I'm on the Celltech/Nitrotech/Epictech/Bull$hittech stack.

[DPNZ]

Originally Posted by Big Slim DaDDy

I'm on the Celltech/Nitrotech/Epictech/Bull$hittech stack.

Is it making you more muscley?

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Originally Posted by DPNZ

Is it making you more muscley?

My arms are so fuking muscley look at them. My back is this as suk.

[-LJ-]

I like natural bodybuilders better. The pros on steroids, although look impressive just don't look right to me. I have found women are more attracted to those who look like a natural bodybuilder compared to a pro who is the size of a house.

Some naturally skinny ectomorphs I could see would take steroids to gain size as it is so hard for them otherwise. I have a mesomorph body and am very happy with my natural size. I am only 3 months into the gym and already have some good gains.

[TheSheepdog]

Originally Posted by dennis black

i think you guys have forgot that ...greene eats for a living ....we have jobs were we have to juggle our food...so i think greene could very well be natural....all they do is eat all day and train

Kai would take this as an insult

[dennis black]

if you read what i said carefully i said most of them are on but occasionaly you may find one which is not ...to build that kind of muscle you do need a chemist ...but because im open mined theres a possibility there are some 100 percent naturals out there ...because i cant believe these pro,s can make so much muscle like that and be lean at the same time...but im sorry i feel this way ...i just feel there could be some pro naturals maybe 1%

[Quelly]

Originally Posted by dennis black

if you read what i said carefully i said most of them are on but occasionaly you may find one which is not ...to build that kind of muscle you do need a chemist ...but because im open mined theres a possibility there are some 100 percent naturals out there ...because i cant believe these pro,s can make so much muscle like that and be lean at the same time...but im sorry i feel this way ...i just feel there could be some pro naturals maybe 1%

well one thing to realize is that the ifbb pro naturals out there are unknown because they can't compete at the ifbb pro level...remember...the bantam, welter and light weight winners at the nationals all get pro cards and so does the winner of the team universe...but these guys never compete at the pro level...and not that those guys are all clean, but some are, certainly more than 1 out of 100.

[Ian_B]

Originally Posted by dennis black

if you read what i said carefully i said most of them are on but occasionaly you may find one which is not ...to build that kind of muscle you do need a chemist ...but because im open mined theres a possibility there are some 100 percent naturals out there ...because i cant believe these pro,s can make so much muscle like that and be lean at the same time...but im sorry i feel this way ...i just feel there could be some pro naturals maybe 1%

the only guy in the IFBB who claims to be natty in private circles is Dave Goodin... and he's absolutely miniscule compared to the rest of the IFBB field

[DPNZ]

Originally Posted by Big Slim DaDDy

My arms are so fuking muscley look at them. My back is this as suk.

lol, gotta get me some of that sh*t!

[siersy]

Originally Posted by DPNZ

lol, gotta get me some of that sh*t!

mee too might be able to pump my head up

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Originally Posted by dennis black

if you read what i said carefully i said most of them are on but occasionaly you may find one which is not ...to build that kind of muscle you do need a chemist ...but because im open mined theres a possibility there are some 100 percent naturals out there ...because i cant believe these pro,s can make so much muscle like that and be lean at the same time...but im sorry i feel this way ...i just feel there could be some pro naturals maybe 1%

Theres a difference between being "open minded" and being straight up oblivious and ignorant not to mention gullible.



Why do you feel there could be pro naturals at the elite level? What reason do you have to believe this? Because you want to? You think it would be cool?


I think Santa Clause would be pretty fuking cool but that motherfuker at the mall gets paid $6 an hour to sit on his ass and say ho ho ho.

[silverlightning]

natural bb'ing has taken off. nobody starts off taking AAS, or more recently, PH or DS.