Phase I: BULK!

[rallyum]

I had a similar experience to you with my shoulder when i was younger and you gotta remember that there's a big difference between healing fast and feeling fine compared to healing properly and being fine.. I hurt mine in football, it was a clean dislocation, straight out and in and i was back to playing two weeks later (back to it in 5 days but i was being safe ) but 5 years on it's still coming out and that's even after having shoulder ops.. so yeah, seriously, just be careful with it bro:


- Don't put it in any position which will cause it to shift and heal in the wrong position.. all the tendons and ligaments have already been stretched from your arm coming out and will stay stretched if you keep moving it around like a ****tard.. it's this permanent stretching that causes all the damage and will make you more prone to dislocations in the future because that's what holds your arm there..


- Relearn all the movements.. these will be subtle little changes but your biomechanics have now changed forever because your shoulder will never heal in the right position ever again without surgery.. your shoulder is ball and socket and when it comes out a tear is left which scars and means your shoulder no longer sits nicely (aka torn labrum) and also makes you more prone to dislocations


- And lol, i did the one body side training thing as well and i look funny it's not noticeable to people at all but i'm pretty detailed orientated so it annoys the **** out of me lol


Gluck with everything bro!! Sorry if i came across as a cock, we're the same age, both asian lifters so there's a weird connection because not many of us do it (also makes us the good looking ones haha) and i don't wanna see you go through what i've gone through

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by rallyum

I had a similar experience to you with my shoulder when i was younger and you gotta remember that there's a big difference between healing fast and feeling fine compared to healing properly and being fine.. I hurt mine in football, it was a clean dislocation, straight out and in and i was back to playing two weeks later (back to it in 5 days but i was being safe ) but 5 years on it's still coming out and that's even after having shoulder ops.. so yeah, seriously, just be careful with it bro:


- Don't put it in any position which will cause it to shift and heal in the wrong position.. all the tendons and ligaments have already been stretched from your arm coming out and will stay stretched if you keep moving it around like a ****tard.. it's this permanent stretching that causes all the damage and will make you more prone to dislocations in the future because that's what holds your arm there..


- Relearn all the movements.. these will be subtle little changes but your biomechanics have now changed forever because your shoulder will never heal in the right position ever again without surgery.. your shoulder is ball and socket and when it comes out a tear is left which scars and means your shoulder no longer sits nicely (aka torn labrum) and also makes you more prone to dislocations


- And lol, i did the one body side training thing as well and i look funny it's not noticeable to people at all but i'm pretty detailed orientated so it annoys the **** out of me lol


Gluck with everything bro!! Sorry if i came across as a cock, we're the same age, both asian lifters so there's a weird connection because not many of us do it (also makes us the good looking ones haha) and i don't wanna see you go through what i've gone through

Very valid points. You didn't come across as a cock... That's just how Asians speak to each other!!! LOL.

But seriously, good points. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for sharing your experience and I'm definitely taking it into consideration. I think I'll take some more time off of anything two handed

You know how a person usually puts there arm behind the passenger seat headrest when parallel parking? That hurts like hell to me! That's how I know it's definitely not healed yet... But I really wanted to get a good arm workout in! LOL

Yeah... I'm gonna give it some more time for sure. I don't think mine was as bad as yours, but better safe than sorry. Of course, I will test it from time-to-time

[extremenergy3]

Working out is hard.
Working out is hard lol As bodybuilders, we have to push, press, lift, pull, drag, inhale, exhale, eat and sleep correctly or else we screw up something and are inefficient. This shoulder thing is bringing me down. When I get health insurance again, first thing I'm doing is going to the doctor.

I figured out that I can't really do high pulley work for my back. Any low pulley/row movements are perfect fine though. Doesn't hurt my shoulder one bit. I did try high pulley free motion wide grip pull-downs. I had to lean back just a tad and there was no discomfort. I'm glad I can work my right side of my back again. But I haven't tried free weights... yet

I also figured out that I'm definitely not ready for pushing movements yet. I did all hammerstrength pressing and it was a no-go for the right side. I'm glad I know where my limits and progress are for now though.

Didn't count macros today. I've been eating a lot of junk. I actually weighed in at 173 today LOL I'm glad I'm still gaining even though I can't hit my upper body as hard anymore. I should be 174 now, according to my plan Oh well. I gotta be more strict on my diet.

Here's the workout!

Back and Chest (warm-up/acclimation sets excluded)

HammerStrength Underhand Grip Low Row
2 plates + 25 (each side)x6
3 plates (each side)x4

High and Wide Pulley Free Motion Pull-downs
180x5
180x4

Close-Grip Cable Rows
180x5
200x4

Decline HammerStrength Press
2 plates x 5
2 plates x 5

Incline HammerStrength Press
2 25's x 6
2 25's x 6

Flat HammerStrength Press
2 plates x 5
2 plates x 5

It's hard to balance and press with one side only

[or_yourlivingtodie]

have you ever tried using cissus dude?

with all the problems ive had with tendons/ligaments and **** in my life *mostly ankle, but also a few shoulder problems, rotator cuff to be exact* cissus has been a godsend for me. usually takes a few weeks to kick in, but always ends up helping me get back to normal


something to look into until you are able to get to a doctor

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie

have you ever tried using cissus dude?

with all the problems ive had with tendons/ligaments and **** in my life *mostly ankle, but also a few shoulder problems, rotator cuff to be exact* cissus has been a godsend for me. usually takes a few weeks to kick in, but always ends up helping me get back to normal


something to look into until you are able to get to a doctor

Hm... Well, I do have some Blue Gene. I'll have to talk to PT about that. Thanks for the input though!

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Originally Posted by extremenergy3

Hm... Well, I do have some Blue Gene. I'll have to talk to PT about that. Thanks for the input though!

lemme see if i can find you my blue gene log.........cause i was specifically using it during rehab on my ankle

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie

alright guys, for those of you still checkin on this.....

finished the blue gene a few days ago, but due to complications witht he workmans comp insurance company and everything, i never got to go to the scheduled dr appointment.

so before i do a FINAL write up, im gonna wait to go to my pre-op appointment which is on tuesday. surgery will be on thursday *the 8th*



MY FINAL THOUGHTS: overall, i was VERY satisfied with this stack. with the wraath/GFH i was never really that sore, didnt experience too many DOMS, and i felt i could push a little harder overall.

As for the blue gene.......as i said, i never went to the dr appointment, so i dont know if it did anything on a realy tendon/ligament level like i wanted to find out *as i said i'll know a little more tuesday* but i FEEL that it has helped quite a bit. my ankle actualyl felt better, and i didnt have to take my pain killers NEARLY as much as i did before. only time i really felt the need to take them was after a leg workout *which put a lot more stress on it* so that is understandable. since stopping, i can feel a slight difference, but that could be partly due to the changes in weather here in CT, which always seems to play a role in my pain levels.
cant really comment on the hormone levels or anything.

as for the other little bits in it, mainly the quercitin, i kinda feel like that was giving my immune system a little boost. i wasnt sick on the stuff....but could just be a coincidence.

Overall, i give the product a 7/10. For me, its a bit pricy, but i really do feel that it has helped.

i do plan on purchasing some when i start up my rehab in the spring, and put it to the ULTIMATE test of recovery......since i'll be starting fresh with a rebuilt ligament!!!!


keep an eye out on tuesday for brief after the pre-op!

I would like to thank Dracoy for giving my name to CL to let me try the product, and everyone at Controlled Labs for the opportunity. I deff. hope to do more logs for them on future products.

Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie

Final Dr's words: ligament = not much better tendon = just about he same.

now, before you guys read it and go, oh well product is a fake. i would like to point out, my tendon was torn *i doubt ANY supplement can fixt aht, just time and rehab* and my ligament was basically gone. instead of a tight rubber band, its a wet noodle...hope you get that picture.

so like i had said in the last post....i FELT better with the product. placebo? idk, all i know is i took the proudct with an open mind, and left with some positive results.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=112142041

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=112142041

Interesting info. Yeah, I don't know if I have a tear or whatnot, but just gotta wait until I get health insurance. Can't afford a $5000 X-ray

[rallyum]

Woah health insurance is a real kicker in America isn't it?

X-rays and consults here are free, pretty sure the surgery is free if you're willing to wait and go public but don't quote me on that lol and if not then it's heavily discounted.

I went private for my op because i wanted the best and didn't want to wait anymore so had to pay $1500 upfront for my surgeon - he's actually considered the best Orthopaedics in Australia and is a leading expert internationally so for me it was a deal, $950 upfront for the Anaesthetist but was refunded $900 and another $2000 to hire the operating theatre, nurses etc but got back $1500 again from the government so $2050 all up.. $5000 for an xray is nuts!

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by rallyum

Woah health insurance is a real kicker in America isn't it?

X-rays and consults here are free, pretty sure the surgery is free if you're willing to wait and go public but don't quote me on that lol and if not then it's heavily discounted.

I went private for my op because i wanted the best and didn't want to wait anymore so had to pay $1500 upfront for my surgeon - he's actually considered the best Orthopaedics in Australia and is a leading expert internationally so for me it was a deal, $950 upfront for the Anaesthetist but was refunded $900 and another $2000 to hire the operating theatre, nurses etc but got back $1500 again from the government so $2050 all up.. $5000 for an xray is nuts!

haha ok, I'm exaggerating how much an X-Ray would cost, but it might as well cost me $5000 as I can't afford it now anyway Still looking for that job with health insurance... Hope I get something soon >.<

[or_yourlivingtodie]

just throwin this out there, xray probably wouldnt be the best way to go, especially a shoulder problem.......cause i highly doubt its any sort of bone problem


MRI is what you'd probably need to get, and of course go see a doc, sports doc if you can


ive screwed up so many tendons/ligaments i could tell you just about everything you'd ever wanna know!

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie

just throwin this out there, xray probably wouldnt be the best way to go, especially a shoulder problem.......cause i highly doubt its any sort of bone problem


MRI is what you'd probably need to get, and of course go see a doc, sports doc if you can


ive screwed up so many tendons/ligaments i could tell you just about everything you'd ever wanna know!

Ah. Yeah, I had no idea what type of procedure to get for my shoulder So MRI + sports doc? I will keep that in mind for sure. What other tips do you got?

Also, tomorrow morning... Gonna kill it on hack squats. I think I got 3 plates on each side for 5 reps, 2 sets... Go for 3 plates + 2 tens? I'm loving leg day using max OT. But I really do miss my squats

[or_yourlivingtodie]

well it honestly doesnt seem like a rotator cuff problem, if that was the case you really wouldnt be able to move your arm at all, so thats good news. but theres a ****ton of tendons/ligaments in there that can have a problem

i mean trying simple things such as: plain old icy hot, i like those new icy hot patches...or take a bag of ice and put it on for 20 minutes, then put some heat on it for 20 minutes

and if your gym has any of those resistance bands, try stretching out using some of those...hold em down with your foot and try doing like lat raises, front raises, tie it off to a door handle or something and with your elbow at a 90 degree angle, go from right to left across your body with your arm, simple little things like that

and yea, im assuming a doc would make you get an MRI, and since you're as active as you are, sports doc would be the better route, they're just geared towards more sports related injuries.

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie

well it honestly doesnt seem like a rotator cuff problem, if that was the case you really wouldnt be able to move your arm at all, so thats good news. but theres a ****ton of tendons/ligaments in there that can have a problem

i mean trying simple things such as: plain old icy hot, i like those new icy hot patches...or take a bag of ice and put it on for 20 minutes, then put some heat on it for 20 minutes

and if your gym has any of those resistance bands, try stretching out using some of those...hold em down with your foot and try doing like lat raises, front raises, tie it off to a door handle or something and with your elbow at a 90 degree angle, go from right to left across your body with your arm, simple little things like that

and yea, im assuming a doc would make you get an MRI, and since you're as active as you are, sports doc would be the better route, they're just geared towards more sports related injuries.

Thanks, man. Once I get that health insurance, that's the first thing I'll do!

Legs = Make me wanna barffff!!!
Today's leg workout was intense and I only did THREE exercises!!! I thought MAX-OT wouldn't have enough volume for me, but when you're overloading your bodyparts with as heavy as a weight you can do for 4-6 reps for 2 sets only, that's definitely gonna shock the system.

I gotta give some credit to Green Mag + GlycerGrow though. My strength has been rising since taking them together. And drastically. I think in the FAQ, GlycerGrow actually helps with the uptake of creatine. Definitely cool and a great thing!

Anyway, here's today's leg workout. I'm so beat! Gonna eat some soul food later

Legs: MAX-OT (warm-ups excluded)

Hack Squats
3 plates + 15 (each side) x 5
3 plates + 15 (each side) x 4
WOW... These were crazy! Struggled like crazy on the last reps for these both these sets. It felt really good to push through them. I just kept thinking in my mind, "JUST DO IT!" lol I'm a Nike ad. Added 30lbs onto this since last workout but lost a rep on the second set.

Leg Press
6 plates (each side) x 6
6 plates (each side) x 6

SUPERSET WITH...

Leg Press Calf Raises
6 plates (each side) x 6
These were crazy as well. I was so beat from the Hack Squats, I don't know how I did these. I could only do one set of the Leg Press Calf Raises because my legs were not strong enough to hold up the weight anymore after the superset lol. Oh well, it was intense!

Pic of the Day

[extremenergy3]

Ouch, my lower trapezius muscles...
I had a really fun day today. Just hung out with the lady friend and ate some awesome cupcakes. Freaking sweeeet. Chilled at Twin Peaks... If anyone is ever in San Francisco and it's a sunny day, Twin Peaks has the best view of the whole city!!!

Anyway, for some reason, my lower trap muscles have been bothering me. It was actually really bad last night. I had some knots in my back but still have some soreness there even after a short, but good massage. Could it be my spine? Ugh... This kinda came out of left field. I was not expecting this at all, especially since I wasn't in any compromising positions. Pinched nerve possibly? Maybe from hack squats or leg press? Weird...

The good news is I have more mobility in my right shoulder. Still not 100% though. But damn is it keeping me off track for my goals. I'm actually still surprised I'm maintaining/slightly gaining still. Hope it's not all fat because my chest and shoulders are not getting the work they need to get torn down and grow.

oh well, one day at a time...

[rallyum]

I use to shrug my shoulders a lot subconciously as a way to protect them.. it's now become an annoying habit that irritates the hell out of my traps.. might be that dude..

Plus when you get injured the whole surrounding area picks up the slack, just how the body works (sorry bout the bro science, in exams right now so don't have time to explain).. anyways, this is why trainning should kinda be lightened because they'll already be doing more work than normal while the injured area heals.. might be that as well, i.e. your traps are just tired

Funnily enough, other areas also start getting affected for e.g. the shoulders connect to your opposite hip so when you have rotation probs in one of your shoulders, the opposite hip will also be affected.. watch out for that, may be torquing your spine without even knowing it

All the best dude

[Dracoy]

Say cheese!

[or_yourlivingtodie]

icy cold medicated rolls dude, use em

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by rallyum

I use to shrug my shoulders a lot subconciously as a way to protect them.. it's now become an annoying habit that irritates the hell out of my traps.. might be that dude..

Plus when you get injured the whole surrounding area picks up the slack, just how the body works (sorry bout the bro science, in exams right now so don't have time to explain).. anyways, this is why trainning should kinda be lightened because they'll already be doing more work than normal while the injured area heals.. might be that as well, i.e. your traps are just tired

Funnily enough, other areas also start getting affected for e.g. the shoulders connect to your opposite hip so when you have rotation probs in one of your shoulders, the opposite hip will also be affected.. watch out for that, may be torquing your spine without even knowing it

All the best dude

Thanks. Yeah, I dunno what happened. Took a couple pills of ibuprofen today and now my back feels 100% lol I guess it was just a little inflammation? Still gonna put some bengay on it tonight though

Originally Posted by Dracoy

Say cheese!

lol you popped out of nowhere. Long time no talk man! How are you?

Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie

icy cold medicated rolls dude, use em

What are those? I'mma use bengay tonight on my back. Final precautionary thing. I feel great today after the ibprofen

[extremenergy3]

Feels SOOO Good To Workout Again...
After some odd lower/middle trapezius pain, I'm finally back in the gym today. Hit up some arms with ZERO pain in the shoulder! Still not able to do overhead movements, but I'm OK with that for now. I'll avoid the things that will truly tax the shoulder.

I also shot some hoops and skateboarded a little. Too much overhead stuff. Adjusted my shot lol and surprisingly made a lot of shots. Just played some HORSE and shot around... nothing strenuous.

Also, I weighed in at 175lbs today Very surprising! I hope it is not a fluctuation. I'll check again the next time I'm at the gym and see if it stays there. If it does, that means all is going according to plan!

I also had an interview at this place called Kara's Cupcakes LOL I need a job and will pretty much do anything now. I don't know what my chances are of getting the job, but it would be nice to finally get some cash flowing into my pockets!

Cupcakes + Bodybuilding = LOL!



Armed and Dangerous!!! (warm-ups excluded)

EZ Bar Curls
85x6
90x6
90x6
+5 lbs
Wow, I felt incredibly strong in these. Had a little groove going, but that's how I usually curl Biceps were definitely pumped already after these! GG FTW!

SUPERSET WITH

Dumbbell Skull Crushers
25lb'ersx8
30lb'ersx6
32.5lber'sx6
+2.5lbs each hand for last set
Felt strong on these as well oddly. No shoulder pain!!!

V-bar Tricep Push-Downs
80x6
80x6
90x6
Don't recall my numbers for last time on these. Used a different bar I believe. Great contraction still.

SUPERSET WITH

Alternating Dumbbell Curls
32.5lb'ersx5 (each hand)
32.5lb'ersx5 (each hand)
35lb'ersx5 (each hand)
+2.5 and +5lbs
Figured I'd bump up the weight since I was able to do 32.5lb'ers for two sets... didn't think I'd be able to pump up the same amount of reps though!

Machine Preacher Curls
80x6
90x6
Didn't do these last time, so can't compare. Couldn't find anything to superset that was near the cables, so I just did these and supersetted with the machine dips right next to it!

SUPERSET WITH

Machine Dips
285x6
285x6
They really need a belt to hold me down on these lol

Crunches
25
15
10
10
My abs were really burning after these hahaha yeah weak abs

PIC OF THE DAY!

[8footballQB]

you didnt tell me you had a log im in here like swim wear!

keep up the good work. i had an awesome workout today and took some "before" pics finally.

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by 8footballQB

you didnt tell me you had a log im in here like swim wear!

keep up the good work. i had an awesome workout today and took some "before" pics finally.

FaSwizzle!!! (<--- named in honor of Taylor Swift... Taylor Swizzle =D) Welcome to a long journey! or a short one... one year means a lot of things to different people hahaha

My Knees Are Creaky... I'm an Old Man... ;P
Good leg workout. Got a vid! Took some pics. Feeling good. Quite tired. Not much to update right now. Getting back into the workout groove. Shoulder is still injured, but I'm not really using it by not working out chest or back. Actually haven't had pain in it for a couple days from just regular use which is good!

Anyway, here's the workout!!!

Legs: MAX-OT!!! (warm-up and acclimation sets excluded)

Hack Squats
3 plates + 25 (each side) x 5 PR!
3 plates + 25 (each side) x FAIL
+10 each side -1 set LOL



I dunno what happened with this second set HAHA I saw my friend at the gym and asked him to get a vid for me for the first set. Camera always gets you more motivated. I think I chatted up with him too much since we used to workout together at Uni, so I lost it on the second one. Got parallel and just lost it... haha oh well. Took too much energy to take off plates and bring it back up, so I stopped that while I was ahead.

Leg Press
6 plates + 5 (each side) x 4
6 plates + 5 (each side) x 4
+5 each side -1 rep, 1 SS Calf Pressing
Decided to go up in weight for Leg Press since I've been there for a while. Took out the Calf Pressing so I could have more energy. It worked and it didn't. Gained some poundage, lost some reps.

Lying Leg Curls
110x6
110x6
+10 for 2 sets
These felt good. I think I could do more weight next time!

Leg Extensions
185x6
200x6
I could do more on these as well. Next time.

Donkey Calf Raises
340x6
340x6
Did I go up in weight on these? Gotta check last workout lol

Pics of the Day!!!

[zhouaznbrass]

gettin some quad separation there man!

nice work

[8footballQB]

i need a bigger gym. my YMCA has no hack squat machine. although my current routine is just bench, squat, deadlift so it's good enough. I think i set a PR in every lift today, and i could of went higher. keeping a log is one of the best things i have done and it will definately help me a bunch. hopefully i can get some more people in to comment and help out.

[cyde]

So this is where you've been hiding? Nice hacks, Timmah. I've never seen a hack squat machine with that low of an incline.

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by zhouaznbrass

gettin some quad separation there man!

nice work

Thanks man! Legs is hard work!!! Is your last name Zhou? My friend's last name is Zhou and my girlfriend's mom's maiden name is Zhou. Only Zhou's I know

Originally Posted by 8footballQB

i need a bigger gym. my YMCA has no hack squat machine. although my current routine is just bench, squat, deadlift so it's good enough. I think i set a PR in every lift today, and i could of went higher. keeping a log is one of the best things i have done and it will definately help me a bunch. hopefully i can get some more people in to comment and help out.

For real. I've been keeping logs since 2006. Went from 150 to where I am now!!! Crazy huh?

Originally Posted by cyde

So this is where you've been hiding? Nice hacks, Timmah. I've never seen a hack squat machine with that low of an incline.

45 degree angle? Is it usually higher? I haven't seen any higher than 45 degrees lol And yah, I be hiding here I wanna get as strong as this dude!!!



Hope he turns pro at this year's Nationals!!!

[zhouaznbrass]

haha yea my name is zhou. translated to english is joe...both pronounced basically the same.

how are u likin the glycergrow? im thinkin about pickin up a tub

[extremenergy3]

Originally Posted by zhouaznbrass

haha yea my name is zhou. translated to english is joe...both pronounced basically the same.

how are u likin the glycergrow? im thinkin about pickin up a tub

GlycerGrow is pretty awesome. I'm liking it so far. Oddly, my strength gains have been off the roof. When I read the FAQ, it said that GlycerGrow helps with the intake of creatine and I take it with Green Magnitude, so maybe that's why.

In other news,... CHINESE FOOD!





Gonna hit up some back today

[cyde]

Looks good, Timmah! Keep pounding down that food to beat your crazy asian metabolism.

[nmsk80066]

DUDE

kind of late in here, but read through everything and like what i'm seeing! keep up the great work

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