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11-08-2009, 06:41 PM
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Rows are for rhomboids! Not lats!
So this seasoned powerlifter, was DB rowing the 140s off the ground, and yes you can work lats depending on your form.
I am friends with him so I got in a conversation where I said, those rows make your back thicker, meaning get your rhomboids to pop out, not wider as in lats come down under your arm pits like wings..
He then pointed me to about 4 machines that say "Latissimis Dorsi" as the primary muscle worked..
So I looked like an idiot, but I was sure that..
Barbell rows, DB Rows, T-Bar Rows, Cable Rows work your rhomboids..
Not lats (pullups, lat pulldowns)...
Am I totally off?
I was respectful enough not to disagree anymore with him, but...
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11-08-2009, 06:50 PM
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Who said it had to be mutually exclusive? Does bench pressing work just your chest or your triceps or your delts...?
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11-08-2009, 06:53 PM
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DB rows to your chest work middle back. DB rows to hip area work your lats more.
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11-08-2009, 06:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JB12182
DB rows to your chest work middle back. DB rows to hip area work your lats more.
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This.
Both varioations work both lats and middle back(rhomboids). U can alter it a little but both are hit pretty well. I read in Robert kennedy's book that these rows make your lats thicker (from a side View) whereas lat pulldowns make them wider. So basically it means that barbell rows add actual mass to ur lats.
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11-08-2009, 07:11 PM
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No, your not mistaken.
Rows are indeed primarily a rhomboid exercise.
In this case your lats are synergist muscles.
They help your rhomboids to move the weight.
Alot of times machines leave synergist muscles out. Not sure why.
It also hits your Teres Major to an equal extent as it does your rhomboids but machine labels usually leave that muscle out of exercises.
(its the muscle in your armpit right under your triceps).
This is also why rows are an essential exercise to include in your back workouts.
In order to perform a full-back worout that is.
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11-08-2009, 07:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAlmightyJad
So this seasoned powerlifter, was DB rowing the 140s off the ground, and yes you can work lats depending on your form.
I am friends with him so I got in a conversation where I said, those rows make your back thicker, meaning get your rhomboids to pop out, not wider as in lats come down under your arm pits like wings..
He then pointed me to about 4 machines that say "Latissimis Dorsi" as the primary muscle worked..
So I looked like an idiot, but I was sure that..
Barbell rows, DB Rows, T-Bar Rows, Cable Rows work your rhomboids..
Not lats (pullups, lat pulldowns)...
Am I totally off?
I was respectful enough not to disagree anymore with him, but...
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They're really a compound exercise and work both.
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11-08-2009, 08:25 PM
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ya man, youre mistaken..
rows are pretty much for your entire back. its essentially impossible to isolate one muscle out of that entire group. different hand positions and bar travel paths affect where it will concentrate on but over all, no matter what, your rhomboids and lats WILL work together.
keep the bar close to your legs and youll be doing a lot more lats, pull it up to your upper abs and the focus will shift(not entirely move) to your middle back.
good luck man
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11-08-2009, 09:04 PM
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If you can see your rhomboids, you have structural problems
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11-08-2009, 09:15 PM
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Using an underhand grip and pulling close to your sides and to the waist increasingly targets the lats. There is ALWAYS carryover in muscular activation.
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11-08-2009, 10:06 PM
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lol they work all your back muscles if done right... pinching your shoulder blades back at the end of the pull is what primarily hits the rhomboids and teres major.
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11-08-2009, 10:11 PM
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Agreed. Rows are for the whole back.
Everything in the back overlaps. Here's a little tip for rows. These things really help you get those few extra reps at the end.
www.bigbackgrips.com
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Originally Posted by aman88
lol they work all your back muscles if done right... pinching your shoulder blades back at the end of the pull is what primarily hits the rhomboids and teres major.
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11-09-2009, 12:02 AM
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Rhomboids, teres major, rear delts, middle traps, all retract the scapula involved in any motion of rowing.. Lats are worked also. To the same degree? I suppose thats based on individuals, their form, ROM and intensity.
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11-09-2009, 12:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larryman
Everything in the back overlaps. Here's a little tip for rows. These things really help you get those few extra reps at the end.
www.bigbackgrips.com |
straps exist for a reason.
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