Underrated Bodybuilders

[Wilde]

Originally Posted by Dr Triceps

Dorian...never should have won...unless mass is the only concern.
Bodybuilding 'died' in the Yates era...

Now go ahead and tell me Arnold had better symmetry and proportion, or better yet show me a picture of Arnold with better symmetry and proportion.

[MaximusPlatypus]

lolo wut ^^

best pic of yates ive ever seen.

[ErikHB]

Ronny Rockel, no one was talking about him yet he beat the **** out of Wolf, Freeman and Hidetada. Looked great(looks)

[DPNZ]

Originally Posted by MaximusPlatypus

lolo wut ^^

best pic of yates ive ever seen.

Damn! Same for me, he looks ridiculous there!

[ste247]

Originally Posted by Wilde

Now go ahead and tell me Arnold had better symmetry and proportion, or better yet show me a picture of Arnold with better symmetry and proportion.

awsome pic of yates he is my all time fav, blood and guts is prop the greatest training video yet,lol at the person who said bodybuilding died in the yates era.....

[DavisForman]

Originally Posted by ste247

awsome pic of yates he is my all time fav, blood and guts is prop the greatest training video yet,lol at the person who said bodybuilding died in the yates era.....

I'll add in that I lawled too, and that this pic of yates is a mind **** and a half lol

[lancs_hotpot]

Fact is if the Yates era hadnt started the same thing would have happened with Coleman. So saying Yates killed bodybuilding is ridiculous.

[Dr Triceps]

Originally Posted by DavisForman

Lol, the troll negged me... too bad your rep power is too crappy to do anything buddy Now go grab a picture of mentzer and have some fun

Um...you negged me...because you can't handle opposing positions. Was Arnold better than Menzter, yes, overall. Especially in the 70's, but not in 1980. The video is more telling than photos of Arnold in good positions and Mike Mentzer completely relaxed in poor angles. There is a reason the pros who competed agreed that Arnold should not have won. It isn't just Mentzer saying that. And I am a bigger fan of Arnold than I am of Mentzer.

The reason Yates killed bodybuilding is because of the added use of GH, etc, that has hurt the sport. Bodybuilding peaked in the 70's and 80's. You can say the purses have went up, but adjusted for inflation, they went drastically down.


If you take in the population growth, the fan base % has dropped as well. So the numbers back my statement.

No way a bodybuilder taking every drug under the sun, injecting weak parts with synthol
and in some cases getting implants, is better than the guys of the past.

Disagree if you want, but do it like an adult.

[DavisForman]

Originally Posted by Dr Triceps

The reason Yates killed bodybuilding is because of the added use of GH, etc, that has hurt the sport. Bodybuilding peaked in the 70's and 80's. You can say the purses have went up, but adjusted for inflation, they went drastically down.

So some illegal supplements are okay, but some are totally unacceptable? Well then... what is this world coming too?

Robber 1: "Hey Jimmy, open the second cash register, I got this one here."

Robber one begins filling sack with money

Robber 2: "Ya okay Bill..."

Robber one grins greedily and takes a $50 and puts it in the bag

Robber 2: "Bill! What are you doing! You know we only take 5s, 10s, and 20s!"

Robber 1: "Oh come on, its just a 50, who cares?"

Robber 2: "Bill, you know its wrong. Do you really want to ruin the era of robbery? Taking a $50 is off limits."

Robber 1: "Get over it, the era of thievery has already peaked. It's been going down hill since that 'Dorian Yates' guy stole that 100 over at the walmart. We gotta adapt bro."


uh, what?

[DavisForman]

Originally Posted by Dr Triceps

The video is more telling than photos of Arnold in good positions and Mike Mentzer completely relaxed in poor angles.

Lol, what an excuse. Then I guess Mentzer was relaxed in all the photos, and the angles were bad only for him.

[Dr Triceps]

Nothing to do with legal issues. I could care less about certain laws. It has to do with the other aspects of bodybuilding outside of mass for the sake of mass itself. Synthol?? Really?? Anyone can inject synth and get implants to 'improve'. That makes you a better bodybuilder? We have different opinions.

[ByronOrpheus]

Mentzer has no pecs in those photos, his stomach sticks out further than his chest. I seriously can't say enough about his crappy chest, mine almost looks better and he's in the olympia? I'm not joking, half the people in this ****ing thread appear to have a better chest than him.

[Memorial93]

Saying Yates never deserved an Olympia is like saying Hitler didn't have anyone put to death.

We all know he deserved at least one or two because the people he went up against weren't up to par with him. As for Mentzer, I'm more of a fan of his than Arnold's and while each had their better parts, 1980 was all Arnold. The controversy is around whether or not he should've been allowed to compete in the first place not why Mentzer lost. Though he should've won '79.

By the way, that picture of Yates sums up all bodybuilding for me.

[monoshunter]

Ronnie Coleman

/thread

[Memorial93]

we certainly know he isn't underrated.

[first_second]

Originally Posted by Memorial93

Saying Yates never deserved an Olympia is like saying Hitler didn't kill anybody.

Hitler didn't kill anybody, don't shoot the messenger.

[chenko]

Renel Janvier (aside from Gaspari first real striated glutes)
Tim Belknap
Lee Labrada
Charles Clairmonte
Danny Padilla

[chenko]

Originally Posted by first_second

Hitler didn't kill anybody, don't shoot the messenger.

What an idiotic statement ....red

[Boba_Bulk]

Originally Posted by Dr Triceps

I know this has been done before but I'm starting a thread to discuss the bodybuilders that time forgot. A thread for the guy who never got the titles that many think they deserved...

...
#1 Mike Mentzer.
I know, how can he be underrated, he is a legend. BUT...he should have won the Olympia in 1979 and in 1980. Had this happened he would have continued to compete and, more importantly, improve. I believe he would have won in 1981, 1982 and 1983. That would have been 5 Mr Olympia titles until he ran into Lee Haney, and who knows what would have happened. I think Mike never realized his potential, along with his brother Ray (who could be on this list).

Well if you say he's a legend than he is not underrated, the fact that he is still mentioned nowadays proves that.

But, HE DID NOT DESERVE TO WIN in '79 and '80. He was flat out beat those years. Zane's definition, condition and symmetry the first year, and Arnold's mass and conditioning the next. (relevant to the times)

And if you say he would have kept competing and improved had he won those, that's just pure fail on his part, and yours for thinking so. UNDERRATED bodybuilders do not quit, win or lose if they still have potential to improve or are still physically able to. A TRUE COMPETITOR NEVER QUITS, WIN OR LOSE! If anything your argument makes a case for him to not consider him as one of the elite bodybuilders.

[first_second]

Originally Posted by chenko

What an idiotic statement ....red

Yes because I was obvious not joking, I was 100% serious, no chance I was joking.

[Dr Triceps]

Originally Posted by Boba_Bulk

Well if you say he's a legend than he is not underrated, the fact that he is still mentioned nowadays proves that.

But, HE DID NOT DESERVE TO WIN in '79 and '80. He was flat out beat those years. Zane's definition, condition and symmetry the first year, and Arnold's mass and conditioning the next. (relevant to the times)

And if you say he would have kept competing and improved had he won those, that's just pure fail on his part, and yours for thinking so. UNDERRATED bodybuilders do not quit, win or lose if they still have potential to improve or are still physically able to. A TRUE COMPETITOR NEVER QUITS, WIN OR LOSE! If anything your argument makes a case for him to not consider him as one of the elite bodybuilders.

Mentzer (I'm not a Mentzer apologist) quit because he believed (along with many others in that contest) that the results were rigged. It's not like he quit baseball, etc, where the results aren't judged. It's a judged sport and if you think it's rigged, why compete?

[chenko]

Originally Posted by first_second

Yes because I was obvious not joking, I was 100% serious, no chance I was joking.

Hence my comment in your CP

"not funny"

[first_second]

Originally Posted by chenko

Hence my comment in your CP

"not funny"

Since when was it a joke, obviously you viewed it as one.

[206AK]

Originally Posted by Pete3

no.

no way in hell did he deserve to win, we already cleared that up in this section

Just because Arnie didnt come in his best shape, it doesnt mean that any one of those other pros were better then him. Arnie still deserved to win, in shape or not, he looked better then the rest of them.

[chenko]

Originally Posted by first_second

Since when was it a joke, obviously you viewed it as one.

Are you really 143 pounds?

[first_second]

Originally Posted by chenko

Are you really 143 pounds?

Yes.

[chenko]

Originally Posted by first_second

Yes.

Apologies......thought you might have been taking the piss

[Dr Triceps]

Here is a post from someone who was at the 1980 Mr Olympia-


I was at the 80 Olympia and I am familiar with the various participants. Actually, I was an Arnold admirer and in no way was in agreement with Mentzer's demigod attitude; and surely felt his training method promoted only injuries. Arnold would say that we should encourage the bodybuilding public to seek out info from all and let the individual decide what was best for him. Mentzer was adamant that his way was the only way and screamed it to the world. Also Mike told anyone that would listen that Weider's supplements [ all supplements] were a waste of money.
Well this surely did not make MM a popular figure with Weider Enterprises which makes it's revenue off of supplements and mags [which Mike also said to all were a waste of money]. Can you imagine Mike would tell people at his seminars NOT to buy muscle mags for they only had misinformation. Anyway, it's easy to see that MM was the most disliked bodybuilder in the world among the powers that be; as well as being the most popular bodybuilder among the fans in the period of 77-80.
People would come into Gold's from around the world and almost universally go ga-ga over Mike M. In person Mike looked MUCH better than his photos. One of the reasons being that the average bodybuilder is visually challenged [face] where everyone considered Mike to be the most handsome bodybuilder since Steve Reeves. I remember one British champion of the time saying that Mike gets more ass than a toilet seat! Which was true and also added to the resentment against Mike. Actually a month before his passing Mike and I discussed this very same topic.
Anyways you can get the flavor of what was going on as we progress to 78 where Mike wins the Universe with the first perfect score. All the guys I talked to or heard talking about it weren't surprised as an in shape Mentzer was the best in the world.
The 79 Olympia [was there] was easily won by Mike [imo] but as Serge Nubret said [as well as many others] they wouldn't give it to him because of politics [see above explanations] as well as the fact that Zane was marketable to the public. The average Joe could relate to Zane thinking he could emulate his build; they could not relate to Mentzer. Chris Lund stated that he had photographed them all and Mentzer was the best of all time in 79.
In 80 I felt that Arnold was not at his best but not as off as people felt. Arnold weighed 225 the same as Mentzer with Arnold being 4 inches taller and not as symetrical nor conditioned as Mike. It was obvious to everyone that Mike was in a class by himself- Chris Dickerson [no arms, narrow sloping shoulders] Zane [injured before the contest, legs non exsistent at this event, Coe at his all time best but simply does not have the shape or midsection. I felt Walker and possibly Tinerino could have placed above Zane and Dickerson.
I must say that Arnold's posing was unprofessional with his continuous interruptions for glancing to the sidelines for instructions from Franco. Mentzer's posing was magnificent with his routine filled with more signature poses than I think I have ever seen before or since- crucifix, extended one arm poses from both sides, twisting one arm tricep, sartorious, one arm over head back , etc. etc. these were poses no one else could duplicate. And don't forget the vacuum. Zane wouldn't even attempt his for fear of comparison during the pose down while Mentzer repeated it often. You get the picture.
The CBS crew followed Mentzer around the whole contest because they saw him as the obvious winner- they said that and it is true. Of course they refused to air it afterwards for they felt the contest was fixed. The audience booed Arnold and everyone thought Mentzer should have won- which he should have but Mike had made far too many enemies and was very bad for business. They wanted Mike [the most popular bodybuilder in the world to the public at the time] out of the picture. Mike knew that no matter what he did in the future they would never let him win or even place high again [as in 79].
I would like to note that Mike changed completely later in his life and was a person that cared about humanity.

[DavisForman]

What was that post supposed to prove for you?

It shows that mentzer was an ass lol.

You continue to forget that pictures don't lie. Arnold beat him, fair and square.

[206AK]

Originally Posted by DavisForman

What was that post supposed to prove for you?

It shows that mentzer was an ass lol.

You continue to forget that pictures don't lie. Arnold beat him, fair and square.

lol It sucks that NOT ONE PERSON on this FORUM was there at the 80 Olympia!!!!

or non that i've heard of yet