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11-06-2009, 04:25 PM
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Questions about turning pro young.
I was just watching Jay to Z the dvd and was thinking jay turned pro and won shoes fairly young, as did arnold at 19. My question is did they get on the gear in there late teens and just accept the risks associated with it? ( i know random Q but everyone here is like you have to be 21 etc. etc. when clearly these guys did not)
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11-06-2009, 04:26 PM
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They succeeded at that young of an age because of their genetics. Lots of guys are on gear for 20+ years and never look like Arnold or Cutler. Just because you start young doesn't mean you'll win shows and become a pro.
That being said, yes, they were probably on AAS at a fairly young age.
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11-06-2009, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KarateChris
They succeeded at that young of an age because of their genetics. Lots of guys are on gear for 20+ years and never look like Arnold or Cutler. Just because you start young doesn't mean you'll win shows and become a pro.
That being said, yes, they were probably on AAS at a fairly young age.
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Ah fair point, Jay does have 22.5 inch arms, i cant see the average gym rat with that haha. Its quite a big risk to take, Ph's etc. are certainly tempting though.
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11-06-2009, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LABS_4_LIFE
Ah fair point, Jay does have 22.5 inch arms, i cant see the average gym rat with that haha. Its quite a big risk to take, Ph's etc. are certainly tempting though. *waiting for reassurement to stick a needle*
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11-06-2009, 05:04 PM
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If you're waiting for someone to tell you it's okay to do AAS at 18 yo, it's definitely not going to be me... wait until you know your body better and your endocrine system/frontal lobe is fully formed before making such decisions. If you had the genetics of Cutler or Arnold, trust me, you'd know it already.
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11-06-2009, 05:26 PM
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If you're waiting for someone to tell you it's okay to do AAS at 18 yo, it's definitely not going to be me... wait until you know your body better and your endocrine system/frontal lobe is fully formed before making such decisions. If you had the genetics of Cutler or Arnold, trust me, you'd know it already.
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Lol i wasnt actually, i just found it weird seeing arnold when he one mr.europe at 19 totally jacked, clearly on gear. I mean he must have had alot of cycles under his belt already, so much is preached about the dangers of teenage steroid use but realistically if you wanna have a good go at BBing its clear it needs to be considered or at least it would appear so.
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11-06-2009, 05:35 PM
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Arnold probably starting juicing around age 15.
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11-06-2009, 05:39 PM
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Arnold probably starting juicing around age 15.
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Yeah, he's on dialysis now though i hear.
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11-06-2009, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LABS_4_LIFE
My question is did they get on the gear in there late teens and just accept the risks associated with it?
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It's all speculation bro..there is no way to know except from the mouth of the pro...Even then its probably BS..
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11-06-2009, 05:54 PM
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It's all speculation bro..there is no way to know except from the mouth of the pro...Even then its probably BS..
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Thats true i suppose theres no way to know for sure. It doesn't take away from what they've achieved by any means i just wondered.
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11-06-2009, 06:21 PM
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Arnold probably starting juicing around age 15.
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OMG perfect timing!
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11-06-2009, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LABS_4_LIFE
seeing arnold when he one mr.europe at 19 totally jacked, clearly on gear. I mean he must have had alot of cycles under his belt already,.
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I dont think they even did cycles back then. They were on pretty much all the time.. A big part of genetics is how you handle gear, not just how you respond to it with gains. Nasser said something like you have to be like a horse to survive. Some people just dont take it well at all while others bounce back ok. Arnold did start cycling early 70s & started doing Levrone like comp preps over 3-4 months. He went completely off in the late 70s & even did long distance running to lose some muscle when he found it hard to get movie roles.
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11-06-2009, 07:28 PM
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I know arnold said he started at 15 and Lee has posted on these boards he started at 19
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11-06-2009, 09:33 PM
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11-06-2009, 09:48 PM
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I know arnold said he started at 15 and Lee has posted on these boards he started at 19
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lee is a damm lie, he turned pro at 20 and he was on juice way before than
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11-06-2009, 09:54 PM
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Yeah, he's on dialysis now though i hear.
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LOL where did you hear that?
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11-06-2009, 09:57 PM
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lee is a damm lie, he turned pro at 20 and he was on juice way before than
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I dunno man, he sounds full of it a lot of the time, but consider what he looked like at 13, along with how short he is. He could just be that one guy out of 6 billion to pull it off. He has made himself a millionaire out of it, so maybe, just maybe he is truly gifted.
Ronnie too. That guy coulda been doing npc shows when he was in high school if he was into bb'ing at the time. Clearly he wasn't using anything back then either because we all saw what happened to Mr. Coleman before and after.
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11-07-2009, 03:38 AM
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I dunno man, he sounds full of it a lot of the time, but consider what he looked like at 13, along with how short he is. He could just be that one guy out of 6 billion to pull it off. He has made himself a millionaire out of it, so maybe, just maybe he is truly gifted.
Ronnie too. That guy coulda been doing npc shows when he was in high school if he was into bb'ing at the time. Clearly he wasn't using anything back then either because we all saw what happened to Mr. Coleman before and after.
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Lee really started packing on mass around 20 too. Yeah he always looked incredible even at like 14, but he had crazy muscle bellies and puberty to help him along for a while, plus IFBB calibur genetics. (upper tier at that since he's got alot of size for 5'4, even at a pro level). He mentioned exactly what show he did his first cycle for and when you saw pics of that show vs the one before it, he defintely did something "different" for that show lol.
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11-07-2009, 06:58 AM
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LOL where did you hear that?
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My friend, it would make sense that his liver was shot.
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11-07-2009, 07:54 AM
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My friend, it would make sense that his liver was shot.
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dialysis is for kidney failure brah
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11-07-2009, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SmarterChild
I know arnold said he started at 15 and Lee has posted on these boards he started at 19
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lee admitted (on these boards nonetheless) that he started at 13-15 (he gave a specific age but i forgot. it was 13-15 though.
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11-07-2009, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LABS_4_LIFE
I was just watching Jay to Z the dvd and was thinking jay turned pro and won shoes fairly young, as did arnold at 19. My question is did they get on the gear in there late teens and just accept the risks associated with it? ( i know random Q but everyone here is like you have to be 21 etc. etc. when clearly these guys did not)
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He did this year too, they scrapped the sandow
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11-07-2009, 08:45 AM
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dialysis is for kidney failure brah
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^^ This. Dialysis is for kidney failure.
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11-07-2009, 08:57 AM
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My friend, it would make sense that his liver was shot.
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pretty sure your friend is full of sh!t
just sayin'
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Jay "apparently" didnt even start training till he was 18. Its what his wife has said... he has said and waht his book as said...
I'm sure he lifted before during highschool for football and what not, but never "trained"
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11-07-2009, 11:21 AM
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lee admitted (on these boards nonetheless) that he started at 13-15 (he gave a specific age but i forgot. it was 13-15 though.
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Link? i called him out on the boards and he said 19, showd before/after pics and listed his cycle. Starting gear at 13 is just retarded
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on flexonline forum jay says he is 19 in this picture http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...picture407.jpg i doubt he could naturally get the big after training for only a year.
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11-07-2009, 11:20 PM
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Some of you guys take the term "training" way too literally. Every single pro bb'er had a gym membership as a teen, every single one of them wanted to be big at 13 yrs. old. Regardless of the capacity, all of the pro's we see have lifted for most of their lives. When Phil Heath says stuff l like "I've only being doing this for a couple years". It means living the competitive bb'er life. It doesn't mean they just joined a gym when they turned 19.
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11-08-2009, 12:41 AM
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Link? i called him out on the boards and he said 19, showd before/after pics and listed his cycle. Starting gear at 13 is just retarded
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I can't find the exact link mate I might be thinking about someone else. Though I don't believe your story (not saying your lying, I think he is) of him starting at 19. There was also a screenshot of some magazine listing when the pros started, a few of them started as low as 14. Bob Chic has also commented, hopefully he'll come in and have his say.
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