CIA sent people to be raped with broken bottles

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by 1sknnyJ

its torture to the families who have to watch that ****! you think daniel pearl's wife is not tortured everytime she thinks about this?


i think bottles up the ass is the least we could do. good thing im not in charge.

strong hypocrisy

[replica_fun]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

Don't be foolish. Who in their right mind takes a single verse (and even incomplete) and then goes on to do whatever.

Only non-muslims who have no knowledge of islam. If I had no knowledge of the qur'an I could be just as easily fooled.

I remember when I just became Muslim a televangelist (seriously) used to work with me, he has his own organization/tv/funds/etc.. etc.. he was hinting about me meeting 'a nice egyptian family' and talking about 'farakahn' and debating me and this and that. I just kept quiet cause at the time I was still not as knowledgable... however I had knowledge of Qur'an alhamdulillah.

He tried to quote me verses of Jesus' miracles in the qur'an... out of context.. so each time he quoted me that he'd be like SEE SEE JESUS IS GOD and he kept citing the miracles and then repeating that.... and i just said... didn't you read in that same passage how it says 'and he did it not from himself but with the help from God"... no where does it say he is God nor does a miracle make him God.

He just felt stunned... then continued ranting.

However if I was an ignorant and emotional person I'd actually believe him, but thank God I was not.

That's exactly what many of you are doing here.

No one cares about your personal stories dealing with just-as-retarded Christians as you. Just stop believing in fairy tales from your arrogant, pedophile, warlord of a prophet, embrace that no one knows the meaning of life and become a agnostic humanist. There is no intelligence diety watching over your dumbass brah. Okay? kthxbye

[a_ahmed]

Originally Posted by 1sknnyJ

its torture to the families who have to watch that ****! you think daniel pearl's wife is not tortured everytime she thinks about this?


i think bottles up the ass is the least we could do. good thing im not in charge.

The dude worked for CIA/Mossad.

He got killed. No different than if american soldiers go and invade iraq/whatever then get killed. Secret or out spoken you're raging into battle. You may die or you may survive.

On the other hand Americans don't just kill, they first torture people innoscent or not to get their way. You can't be serious comparing a US spy vs iraqi or afghani or whatever muslim civilians being tortured then pressured to admit things. Get outta here son.

[a_ahmed]

Italy Convicts CIA Agents over Extraordinary Renditions
Juliette Terzieff | Bio | 06 Nov 2009

An Italian judge has convicted 23 Central Intelligence Agency officers of participating in the kidnapping and rendition of an Egyptian cleric in Milan in 2003. The trial marked the first time the controversial anti-terrorism tool, known as extraordinary rendition, was challenged anywhere in the world.

"The message of this important ruling -- to nations, governments, institutions, secret services, etc. -- is that we cannot use illegal instruments in our effort against terrorism. Our democracies, otherwise, would betray their principles," the lead prosecutor, Armando Spataro, told the Los Angeles Times.

All of the Americans were tried in absentia, and it is unlikely they will serve the jail sentences handed down by the judge.

Human rights groups, the Council of Europe and the United Nations have all long criticized the practice of extraordinary rendition as illegal -- in particular when involving the transfer of prisoners to countries where they are likely to be tortured. Victims of extraordinary rendition are afforded little to no protection of their rights.

American and Italian operatives abducted Osama Hassan Mustafa Nasr, known as Abu Omar, from a Milan street. The cleric was transferred to the Aviano Air Base in northern Italy, on to the Ramstein Air Base in Germany, before finally being turned over to Egyptian authorities. Abu Omar then spent four years in detention -- where he says he was repeatedly tortured by Egyptian interrogators -- before being released without charge.

Sabrina deSousa, one of the convicted Americans, told ABC news the U.S. "broke the law" in Abu Omar's case and that the operatives were later "abandoned and betrayed" by those who ordered the operation. "And we are paying for the mistakes right now, whoever authorized and approved this," she said.

The Obama administration has not indicated any plans to abandon extraordinary rendition as a tool, reflecting a certain level of support it still enjoys among the intelligence community as an effective anti-terrorism tool. Nevertheless, several European allies are considering legislative changes that would bar support for such operations.

Whatever man you are just fighting a war against islam and muslims. Muslims just wana exist peacefully and worship God.

It's like an opposite world we live in. The US and western powers claim to be peace makers and peace keepers when in fact the west is the real culprit starting wars and invading countries.

And if anything, if you were invading to TRULY liberate or free people... it would be one thing but you are not, not even close. You bring no benefit

[1sknnyJ]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

The dude worked for CIA/Mossad.

He got killed. No different than if american soldiers go and invade iraq/whatever then get killed. Secret or out spoken you're raging into battle. You may die or you may survive.

On the other hand Americans don't just kill, they first torture people innoscent or not to get their way. You can't be serious comparing a US spy vs iraqi or afghani or whatever muslim civilians being tortured then pressured to admit things. Get outta here son.

i am not your god damned son. if i was rest assured i would be an orphan.
/thread

[Mr Beer]

These threads always bring out the sociopathic torture cheerleaders.

[Vargas]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

psamty has been a robot in human disguise he is number one at this:



Should just come out clean and state that he is anti-islam and anti-muslims and not try to circuvment issues then throw in his 'random thoughts'.

If you truly were as open minded, mr nice guy as you claim to be mr psamty (former "misinformation agent" ahem) you would not take every chance you get to throw in some lame statement to make islam look horrible (even though you fail at that as seen above).

LOL...Agreed! I have never seen a poster who sits on both sides of the fence Like Psmaty. He portrays himself as 'open-minded' yet grills Palestinians and Islam anyway possible. Don't be so hypocritical...you hate Muslims and Palestinians...that's fine...just don't try to portray otherwise.

[a_ahmed]

Its pretty crazy how many people are anger filled in wanting to torture and kill muslims on here. Combined with lies/hate of islam/muslims.

When actual debate or discussions happen refuting the claims it turns into further bickering and hate combined with name calling like the other thread just recently hah. Not to mention putting words in people's mouths. "But you mozzlemz do this and taht you mozzzleeeemzz"

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

Its pretty crazy how many people are anger filled in wanting to torture and kill muslims on here. Combined with lies/hate of islam/muslims.

When actual debate or discussions happen refuting the claims it turns into further bickering and hate combined with name calling like the other thread just recently hah. Not to mention putting words in people's mouths. "But you mozzlemz do this and taht you mozzzleeeemzz"

Nobody is saying what the CIA may or may not have done is ok. We are 'raging' about you trying to pretend Muslims are all saints and would neeeevvvveerrrr torture anyone.

It's just so pathetic.

And negged for massive hypocrisy.

[a_ahmed]

Originally Posted by hooked4life

Nobody is saying what the CIA may or may not have done is ok. We are 'raging' about you trying to pretend Muslims are all saints and would neeeevvvveerrrr torture anyone.

It's just so pathetic.

And negged for massive hypocrisy.

Islam forbids torture and this was already stated. So you're full of crap with your claims.

Showing a picture of a CIA/mossad agent being executed is not torture. It's an execution.

The US army has executed plenty innocent women and children who are not combattants... and not only that but tortured male and females... the later which is kept very quietly in the media.

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

Islam forbids torture and this was already stated. So you're full of crap with your claims.

Are you really saying that no Muslim has tortured any Americans?

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by hooked4life

Are you really saying that no Muslim has tortured any Americans?

I get the impression he's got a problem with the way people look at a minority of extremists and act like they epitomize what muslims believe and what muslims find acceptable.

[psamty]

Originally Posted by photomasterx

He said that torture is forbidden.

What you posted is not torture but execution.

Massive difference.

.

So its okay to chop off hands and brand eyes with hot irons? That is not torture?

But pouring water on someone's face is... okay.

[psamty]

Originally Posted by Vargas

LOL...Agreed! I have never seen a poster who sits on both sides of the fence Like Psmaty. He portrays himself as 'open-minded' yet grills Palestinians and Islam anyway possible. Don't be so hypocritical...you hate Muslims and Palestinians...that's fine...just don't try to portray otherwise.

Nope, you are the hate-spreader. I never portrayed myself as open minded, if I find a particular aspect of a religion despicable, I say it outright. You are the overly sensitive pansy here. If you hate Americans and the West, that's fine, just say it. Just don't try to portray otherwise.

I am in favor of getting troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I am in favor of stopping all foreign aid, including to Israel. I just don't support the violent tendencies of different religious groups in the name of "tolerance". I do not tolerate violent despots.

The only difference between you and I is that I criticize torture regardless of whether it is committed by the West or Muslims. While you criticize it on the one hand, but then gleefully support it on the other. As an example, claiming that chopping off hands and branding eyes with hot irons is not torture.

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"



Torture is evil, whether committed by the CIA or Mohammad.

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by Stizzel

I get the impression he's got a problem with the way people look at a minority of extremists and act like they epitomize what muslims believe and what muslims find acceptable.

I would assume so, but I'm calling him out for hypocrisy because he's also painting America with the same broad brush he's crying about being applied to Islam.

[Weightaholic]

Originally Posted by photomasterx

He said that torture is forbidden.

What you posted is not torture but execution.

Massive difference.

.

Execution is killing someone. Torture is doing things like, oh, I don't know, putting out peoples eyes, and cutting off various bodyparts before killing them....

The blind and reflexive defense of everything Islam really is retarded.

[replica_fun]

Originally Posted by Weightaholic

The blind and reflexive defense of everything Islam really is retarded.

This and this is why Islam is such a huge threat. It is organized supremacy where an abnormally high percentage of the population are going to be violent where they wouldn't have been if not exposed to Islam. And an even higher percentage are going to play victims and support their violent brothers. Whether they are justified or not, this is the case.

If there was no Islam influence they a smaller percentage of the people would be violent.

[Moh7]

Originally Posted by replica_fun

This and this is why Islam is such a huge threat. It is organized supremacy where an abnormally high percentage of the population are going to be violent where they wouldn't have been if not exposed to Islam. And an even higher percentage are going to play victims and support their violent brothers. Whether they are justified or not, this is the case.

If there was no Islam influence they a smaller percentage of the people would be violent.

theres like 1.6billion muslims. Strong high percentage of Muslims are violent.

[Vargas]

Originally Posted by psamty

Nope, you are the hate-spreader. I never portrayed myself as open minded, if I find a particular aspect of a religion despicable, I say it outright. You are the overly sensitive pansy here. If you hate Americans and the West, that's fine, just say it. Just don't try to portray otherwise.

I am in favor of getting troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I am in favor of stopping all foreign aid, including to Israel. I just don't support the violent tendencies of different religious groups in the name of "tolerance". I do not tolerate violent despots.

The only difference between you and I is that I criticize torture regardless of whether it is committed by the West or Muslims. While you criticize it on the one hand, but then gleefully support it on the other. As an example, claiming that chopping off hands and branding eyes with hot irons is not torture.

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"



Torture is evil, whether committed by the CIA or Mohammad.

You can post until your blue in the face...of all the posters on this forum, I respect the pro-Israeli/anti-Palestinian posters more then you because they don't hide behind their beliefs...you try to play both sides but deep down, your hidden/cowardly hatred against Palestinians and Muslims is so apparent to not only me, but MANY others on this forum as you've been called out on this many, MANY times.

Honestly speaking, quit being a hypocritical coward...it's pathetic the way you post around here...

[Alpha_Papa]

Originally Posted by Vargas

You can post until your blue in the face...of all the posters on this forum, I respect the pro-Israeli/anti-Palestinian posters more then you because they don't hide behind their beliefs...you try to play both sides but deep down, your hidden/cowardly hatred against Palestinians and Muslims is so apparent to not only me, but MANY others on this forum as you've been called out on this many, MANY times.

Honestly speaking, quit being a hypocritical coward...it's pathetic the way you post around here...

Dude, I dont see that from him.

[psamty]

Originally Posted by Vargas

You can post until your blue in the face...of all the posters on this forum, I respect the pro-Israeli/anti-Palestinian posters more then you because they don't hide behind their beliefs...you try to play both sides but deep down, your hidden/cowardly hatred against Palestinians and Muslims is so apparent to not only me, but MANY others on this forum as you've been called out on this many, MANY times.

Honestly speaking, quit being a hypocritical coward...it's pathetic the way you post around here...

Don't project your hatred onto me. It's your hatred of any reasonable criticism that is apparent.

The "many others who have called me out" tend to be trolls and hatemongers. 10 people saying something doesn't make it true.

The problem you have is that when someone makes a reasonable, balanced, criticism of your religion, you get mad. If someone spreads blatantly anti-Islamic or pro-Israeli text, then you don't mind, because it feeds into your agenda of portraying all Israelis and Westerners as evil. But when someone makes a reasonable stand, well supported by evidence, you don't know what to do. So you resort to the pathetic tactic of claiming that the person is a coward and actually hates your religious/ethnic group.

[Vargas]

Originally Posted by psamty

Don't project your hatred onto me. It's your hatred of any reasonable criticism that is apparent.

The "many others who have called me out" tend to be trolls and hatemongers. 10 people saying something doesn't make it true.

The problem you have is that when someone makes a reasonable, balanced, criticism of your religion, you get mad. If someone spreads blatantly anti-Islamic or pro-Israeli text, then you don't mind, because it feeds into your agenda of portraying all Israelis and Westerners as evil. But when someone makes a reasonable stand, well supported by evidence, you don't know what to do. So you resort to the pathetic tactic of claiming that the person is a coward and actually hates your religious/ethnic group.

Like I said...keep posting your cowardly bs...others, actually MANY others already know you as a coward and a 2-face bigot. Anyhow, I'm not going to hijack this thread anymore then you already have by posting something unrelated to the actual topic at hand. Keep spewing your hypocritical crap in your futile attempts to play both sides evenly but it's so apparent what your agenda is, so try to erase the yellow off your back and come clean. Anyhow, I'm out.

Peace!

[Geno]

No..............really? We actually spent time and money to collect humint on people who were mistreated by the current bic (bitch in charge).

Wait..........you got to be kidding me.......... we really went for real info from folks that were inside????


Dumbass.

[psamty]

Originally Posted by Vargas

Like I said...keep posting your cowardly bs...others, actually MANY others already know you as a coward and a 2-face bigot. Anyhow, I'm not going to hijack this thread anymore then you already have by posting something unrelated to the actual topic at hand. Keep spewing your hypocritical crap in your futile attempts to play both sides evenly but it's so apparent what your agenda is, so try to erase the yellow off your back and come clean. Anyhow, I'm out.

Peace!

LOL, you are the coward, not I. Go back to whining about Israel and pretend to be a good citizen.

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

Islam forbids torture and this was already stated. So you're full of crap with your claims.

Showing a picture of a CIA/mossad agent being executed is not torture. It's an execution.

The US army has executed plenty innocent women and children who are not combattants... and not only that but tortured male and females... the later which is kept very quietly in the media.

You're telling us all here, that muslims have never tortured anyone???

[jackamo2887]

I honestly cannot say that I give a **** about a bunch of muslims being tortured. In fact, it quite pleases me.