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Let us not forget: Muslims have to be waiting for the coming of the Mihdi (Qa'im) and the Return of Jesus (Qayyum), and to abide by whatever is Their decree.

All "Seal of the Prophets" means is that Muhammad was the last of the Prophets of the Prophetic Cycle. All the Prophets announced the advent of this Day: the Day of God: the Day of Baha'u'llah -- the Most Great Announcement of the Qur'an. Baha'u'llah's Name is even mentioned in Hadith. And Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah is Christ's Return. So "Seal of the Prophets" is irrelevant here. Baha'is indeed do believe that Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets. E.g., the Baha'i Writings say:

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Ponder that which befell Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets, may the life of all else be a sacrifice unto Him. How severe the afflictions which the leaders of the Jewish people and of the idol-worshipers caused to rain upon Him, Who is the sovereign Lord of all, in consequence of His proclamation of the unity of God and of the truth of His Message! By the righteousness of My Cause! My Pen groaneth, and all created things weep with a great weeping, as a result of the woes He suffered at the hands of them that have broken the Covenant of God, violated His Testament, rejected His proofs, and disputed His signs. Thus recount We unto thee the tale of that which happened in days past, haply thou mayest comprehend. . . .

Consider this wronged One [Baha'u'llah]. Though the clearest proofs attest the truth of His Cause; though the prophecies He, in an unmistakable language, hath made have been fulfilled; though, in spite of His not being accounted among the learned, His being unschooled and inexperienced in the disputations current among the divines, He hath rained upon men the showers of His manifold and Divinely-inspired knowledge; yet, behold how this generation hath rejected His authority, and rebelled against Him! He hath, during the greater part of His life, been sore-tried in the clutches of His enemies. His sufferings have now reached their culmination in this afflictive Prison, into which His oppressors have so unjustly thrown Him. God grant that, with a penetrating vision and radiant heart, thou mayest observe the things that have come to pass and are now happening, and, pondering them in thine heart, mayest recognize that which most men have, in this Day, failed to perceive. Please God, He may enable thee to inhale the sweet fragrance of His Day, to partake of the limitless effusions of His grace, to quaff thy fill, through His gracious favor, from the most great Ocean that surgeth in this Day in the name of the Ancient King, and to remain firm and immovable as the mountain in His Cause.


(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, XXIII)
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-23.html
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The Return of Jesus(PBUH) and a series of other events are going to be happening around the time before Judgment Day. Jesus is a human and going to live*out his last years leading the muslims in prayer to God. Afterall he and all the other prophets are humans and are going to die like the rest of us.

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Old 11-06-2009, 08:25 AM   #2583
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I thought the Qur'an was pretty clear about there being no more revelations after? Could you link the posts where you've discussed this before please.. search never seems to work for me
Curiously, it seems to have been deleted. There were more verses, but here are some for now:

"Every nation hath its set time. And when their time is come, they shall not retard it an hour; and they shall not advance it.

"O children of Adam! there shall come to you Apostles from among yourselves, rehearsing my signs to you; and whoso shall fear God and do good works, no fear shall be upon them, neither shall they be put to grief." (Qur'an 7:34-5)


"To each age its Book.

"What He pleaseth will God abrogate or confirm: for with Him is the source of revelation." (Qur'an 13:38-39)



And here is a most clear, undeniable Hadith:

"Anticipate ye then the Revelation of the Speaker of Mount Sinai."

Translation of the Sermon of the Gulf ("Al-Khutbah al-Tutunjiyyah") of Imam 'Ali as printed in Hafiz Rajab al-Bursi's Mashariq Anwar al-Yaqin fi Asrar Amir Mu'min?n (Beirut: Dar al-Andalus 1978 pp 160-170)



And if someone makes a claim, even if he is wrong, a Muslim is required, if he be faithful to Muhammad and to God, to investigate the claim unbiasedly:

"O Believers! If any bad man come to you with news, clear it up at once, lest through ignorance ye harm others, and speedily have to repent of what ye have done." (Qur'an 49:6)


And here is a quote in the Qur'an about Muslims being changed into a new people (i.e., another religion):

Lo! ye are they, who are called to expend for the cause of God: and some of you are *****rds: but whoso is *****rdly shall be *****rd only to his own loss; for God is the Rich, and ye are the poor: and if ye turn back, He will change you for another people, and they shall not be your like!

(Qur'an 47:38)


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And finally, Muhammad clearly states that no generation is better than previous ones, and they are just as likely to reject the Promised One just as their forefathers acted:

To the people of Pharaoh also came the threatenings:

All our miracles did they treat as impostures. Therefore seized we them as he only can seize, who is the Mighty, the Strong.

Are your infidels better men than these? Is there an exemption for you in the sacred Books? . . .

Of old, too, have we destroyed the like of you -- yet is any one warned?

(Qur'an 54:41-43;51)
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:15 AM   #2584
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I thought the Qur'an was pretty clear about there being no more revelations after? Could you link the posts where you've discussed this before please.. search never seems to work for me
The Qur'an and Prophet (pbuh) are very clear about the finality of Prophethood and the end of Revelations. Bahai is not a Muslim, he just pretends to be one in this thread and incorrectly answers questions about Islam to mislead people.

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B..._fop/index.htm
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The above poster knows that I have stated on many occasions that I am not a Muslim, so it's curious why he decides to make up stories like that. I am very proud to be a Baha'i. As a Baha'i, I believe in the Qur'an and in Muhammad -- peace be upon Him -- but I also believe in the Mihdi (the Bab) and Jesus' Return (Baha'u'llah). To learn about fulfillment of Islamic prophesies, please see:

http://www.bci.org/islam-bahai/
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Didn't Muhammad prophesize that the Muslims would reject the Mahdi anyway?
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Didn't Muhammad prophesize that the Muslims would reject the Mahdi anyway?
Yes; In fact, 750 rifles -- all from a Muslim regiment -- opened fire on the Bab (the Mihdi). The prophesies were fulfilled. That is not to mention all the other Muslims that persecuted Him and His followers, and continue to do so in this day.
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Didn't Muhammad prophesize that the Muslims would reject the Mahdi anyway?
No, he (pbuh) didn't. That's only part of the storyline that Bahai has constructed to make it seem like any time a charlatan claims to be the Mahdi and is rejected, then everyone missed the boat.
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Do you see the parallels between Islam/Bahai and Judaism/Christianity?
I see the parallels between not only those two, but also Islam/Christianity.

All of the post-Judaism Abrahamic faiths claim to be the continuation of the earlier one, but are rejected by the ones who actually believed that faith, but embraced by others who know very little about the previous editions.
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Do you see the parallels between Islam/Bahai and Judaism/Christianity?
No, when we check the Old Testament, there is no clear mention of who the final Prophet will be. The main reason Jews rejected Jesus (pbuh) was because of some ambiguous messianic criteria that they didn't think he had yet fulfilled. This is, of course, despite the daily miracles and clear knowledge of the Torah he possessed. So it was certainly a conflicted position the Jews had.

Islam, on the other hand, is crystal clear about the chronology of end-time events and the fact that anyone who claims to receive communications from God after the death of the Prophet (pbuh) is a liar. That's why Bahais are not unique as a sect in trying to attach themselves by claiming that revelations continue, since there are other sects that have tried to do the same with respect to Islam, such as "Nation of Islam" or "Ahmediyaism".

And the reason the Prophet (pbuh) was very clear about this is so that Muslims would easily reject the anti-Christ, who will also claim to be a Prophet and who will also claim to communicate with God. The Prophet (pbuh) said there would be at least 30 other liars before the anti-Christ.

So the easiest way to identify a charlatan and a fraudulent claim to being Imam Mahdi or Jesus (pbuh) is the simple question: do you claim to receive revelations after Muhammad (pbuh)? The vast majority of such liars will answer "yes" because they are almost always trying to alter creed and law in some way.
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So the easiest way to identify a charlatan and a fraudulent claim to being Imam Mahdi or Jesus (pbuh) is the simple question: do you claim to receive revelations after Muhammad (pbuh)? The vast majority of such liars will answer "yes" because they are almost always trying to alter creed and law in some way.
This is actually the exact statement that proves my point.

A Jew will ask:
Do you claim to receive revelations that change anything in the Torah?

If the answer is yes, you are a liar/charlatan.
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This is actually the exact statement that proves my point.

A Jew will ask:
Do you claim to receive revelations that change anything in the Torah?

If the answer is yes, you are a liar/charlatan.
Every legitimate Prophet (pbuh) came with some new Law. Any Jew you ask will admit that Moses' (pbuh) Law was different from the Law of Abraham or Noah (pbut). David's (pbuh) scrolls also added to the Torah. Take a look at how many Prophets and religious texts were added to Moses' Torah to form the Old Testament:

http://www.jewfaq.org/prophet.htm

And that's because Jews didn't have a problem with new Prophets and new information from God, since Moses (pbuh) didn't say he was the final Prophet (pbuh).

The reason Jews rejected the TRINITARIAN concept of Jesus (pbuh) is quite legitimate, since in fact Trinitarianism does represent a significant breech of creed (idolatry). But as a Prophet (pbuh), Jesus (pbuh) would not have breached Judaism in any way.

I think this is the point you keep missing. The analogy you are trying to produce simply doesn't hold, since Islam is quite unique about definitively ending revelations with a final Prophet (pbuh).
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Because, like many other religions of the past, mainstream Muslims today deny the possibility of future Revelation after Islam. Just like the Jews did and many Christians do today. This is despite the fact that the Qur'an in the clearest of terms states that Revelation will continue (see my previous posts).

But that is no excuse. The Hadith say that if anyone claims to be the Promised One (Mihdi or Qa'im), you have to investigate the claim even if your arms and legs are cut off, and you have to wiggle outside in the cold on the snow to get to the claim. But the "no more Revelations" excuse I guess makes it mentally easier to reject anything new; you don't have to investigate that way. Granted, this is mainstream Islam. There have been many Muslims, including high ranking ones, who indeed converted to the Baha'i Faith (including a scholar who taught at Al-Azhar University and converted many Muslims to Baha'is!) -- at a higher rate than seen, for example, at the beginning of the Islamic or Christian Dispensations.
No offense Baha'i lifter but you're really getting on my nerves. We already told you before to make your own thread about the Baha'i faith and to not hijack/troll ours which you are doing right now. I thought you got the point last time.

This is no different from me replacing the words Muslim and Baha'i to Christian and Muslim and hijacking the Christian thread. This post does not belong here and I would think even you can see how it is troll like in the context of where you have put it.
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Every legitimate Prophet (pbuh) came with some new Law. Any Jew you ask will admit that Moses' (pbuh) Law was different from the Law of Abraham or Noah (pbut). David's (pbuh) scrolls also added to the Torah. Take a look at how many Prophets and religious texts were added to Moses' Torah to form the Old Testament:

http://www.jewfaq.org/prophet.htm

And that's because Jews didn't have a problem with new Prophets and new information from God, since Moses (pbuh) didn't say he was the final Prophet (pbuh).

The reason Jews rejected the TRINITARIAN concept of Jesus (pbuh) is quite legitimate, since in fact Trinitarianism does represent a significant breech of creed (idolatry). But as a Prophet (pbuh), Jesus (pbuh) would not have breached Judaism in any way.

I think this is the point you keep missing. The analogy you are trying to produce simply doesn't hold, since Islam is quite unique about definitively ending revelations with a final Prophet (pbuh).
The greatest Jewish thinker, Maimonides, believed Muhammad was a false prophet. Basically, you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the Bahai of - twisting earlier scriptures to suit your definitions. While new Prophets did come, they didn't contradict the Torah or the Oral tradition itself. And no Prophet was supposed to end the line of Prophets, this very idea goes against the earlier teachings of God.
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The greatest Jewish thinker, Maimonides, believed Muhammad was a false prophet. Basically, you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the Bahai of - twisting earlier scriptures to suit your definitions. While new Prophets did come, they didn't contradict the Torah or the Oral tradition itself. And no Prophet was supposed to end the line of Prophets, this very idea goes against the earlier teachings of God.
We don't twist the words of the earlier scriptures, the Qu'ran is the only book we refer back to. It is not a combination of all 3 as the NT is paired up with the OT. All we say about the old scriptures is that at one time or another they were true and that they have been changed over time. (Even Christians acknowledge that older Bibles are not the same as new Bibles through translation [although for them the meanings are still the same, for us they are not])
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We don't twist the words of the earlier scriptures, the Qu'ran is the only book we refer back to. It is not a combination of all 3 as the NT is paired up with the OT. All we say about the old scriptures is that at one time or another they were true and that they have been changed over time. (Even Christians acknowledge that older Bibles are not the same as new Bibles through translation [although for them the meanings are still the same, for us they are not])
Correct, and Bahai do the same about Islam. They don't claim it is false, they just update it, just as Muslims use the Qur'an to update Christianity.
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The greatest Jewish thinker, Maimonides, believed Muhammad was a false prophet. Basically, you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the Bahai of - twisting earlier scriptures to suit your definitions. While new Prophets did come, they didn't contradict the Torah or the Oral tradition itself. And no Prophet was supposed to end the line of Prophets, this very idea goes against the earlier teachings of God.
The underlined sentence is a personal opinion of yours, not something that God says. The point of religion is that God decides to whom He makes revelations and He also decides if and when it ends. The reason we have so many false religions today is because people decide that God "shouldn't have" ended revelation.

As for Maimonides, whether he is the greatest Jewish thinker is also a subjective opinion. He is certainly among the more famous name to non-Jews. Maimonides, in that regard, would be no different from the "greatest" Jewish thinkers during the era of Jesus (pbuh). From a Jewish perspective, there is nothing that "ends" Prophethood. Even from a Christian perspective, Jesus (pbuh) does not end Prophethood. From an Islamic perspective, there is a clear end, and it's not a coincidence that neither the Old or New Testament contains anything as clear as Islamic revelations about when revelations would end.

It's no surprise that the Jews were still expecting Prophets (pbut), because there remained Jesus and Muhammad, nor from the Christian perspective either. However, when Muhammad (pbuh) was reached, and with the knowledge that the anti-Christ would be the next major figure in the world, revelations were unambiguously ended by God so that nobody would be confused on the matter.
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Correct, and Bahai do the same about Islam. They don't claim it is false, they just update it, just as Muslims use the Qur'an to update Christianity.
You cannot "update" by contradicting a point of creed. God "updated" laws, but never changed or contracted a principle of belief.

You can't say that a religion is "updated" by taking it from the worship of one God to the worship of 10 gods for example. You cannot say that a religion is "updated" by changing the nature of salvation, or the nature of God, or the nature of other immutable subjects - that's what a contradiction entails.

Likewise, what you are arguing is that God "ended" revelation as clearly outlined in Islam, then completely contradicted Himself. This is not a mere update of Law, that is a full-fledged creedal contradiction.

Both you and Bahai spend all your time trying to evade the actual texts in question. Spend the time actually reading these clear statements before brushing them aside as having been "updated".

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B..._fop/index.htm
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The underlined sentence is a personal opinion of yours, not something that God says. The point of religion is that God decides to whom He makes revelations and He also decides if and when it ends. The reason we have so many false religions today is because people decide that God "shouldn't have" ended revelation.
Yes, and the claim that Mohammad is the final Prophet is also your personal opinion. God alone decides who the final Prophet is, not you. The reason we have so many false religions is that they claim things for God that he did not say.
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Yes, and the claim that Mohammad is the final Prophet is also your personal opinion. God alone decides who the final Prophet is, not you. The reason we have so many false religions is that they claim things for God that he did not say.
So you agree that God decides who the final Prophet (pbuh) is and when revelations end. Excellent.

So this is how we prove that Islamic Revelations are Divine and unaltered:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...91&postcount=1

And this is where God clearly ends revelations with Muhammad (pbuh):

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B..._fop/index.htm

Psamty, in this thread you will always have to deal with intellectual debates. Trying to repeat and reflect arguments instead of addressing them and formulating your own will never progress you even an inch.

A false religion cannot prove it is Divinely revealed. Above I show you how Islam can prove it is Divinely revealed. Try to do the same for other religions. A false religion cannot trace back its religious content to the Prophet to whom it was revealed. Above I show you how Islam can prove it is unaltered. Try to do the same for other religions.

Most importantly, no other religions in question actually end Prophethood as clearly as Islam does. Above I linked you to the most clear quotes of the Prophet (pbuh) on the topic. Try to do the same for other religions. You won't be able to. You also won't be able to merely change names around and repeat my own post back to me.
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It's easy to prove something if you reject all evidence to the contrary.

http://www.chick.com/information/rel.../fallacies.asp

The unmet challenge is a circular argument, basically, the Qur'an is held as the gold standard for Arabic poetry by Muslims, so any poetry that claims to be better has no case, because it is being judged by the standard set in the Qur'an. You cannot judge people by your own subjective standard, because then you can also automatically claim victory. In order for this challenge to be legit, there has to be an objective standard, which is near impossible to derive for language and works of art, which are inherently subjective.

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Jesus clearly said that those who reject him as a son of God are false Prophets.
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It's easy to prove something if you reject all evidence to the contrary.

http://www.chick.com/information/rel.../fallacies.asp

The unmet challenge is a circular argument, basically, the Qur'an is held as the gold standard for Arabic poetry by Muslims, so any poetry that claims to be better has no case, because it is being judged by the standard set in the Qur'an. You cannot judge people by your own subjective standard, because then you can also automatically claim victory. In order for this challenge to be legit, there has to be an objective standard, which is near impossible to derive for language and works of art, which are inherently subjective.
That is incorrect. The Qur'an is not a "gold standard" by default, nor do we even know where you came up with that label or who gave it that label. When it was first revealed, it was evaluated by everyone (Arab specialists, non-Muslims) on par with all other existing literature. Over hundreds of years, it continued to be challenged by Arab linguists but without success. To this day, nobody merely touts the Qur'an as a gold standard by default, although its challenge has certainly been retained.

The challenge does not ask anyone to subjectively assess literature in terms of what is "better" or more "beautiful". The problem is that you have used a strawman fallacy to mischaracterize the challenge of the Qur'an, claimed that it is subjective, then answered your own argument as to why subjective challenges are circular. Rather, the challenge is quite objective and is outlined here:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/

http://www.theinimitablequran.com/uniquelitform.pdf

And further explained by me here:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=48

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=49

You ignored everything else presented in the links, and misunderstood what the "Quranic challenge" is. It would be better if you read more before rushing to reply.

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According to whom did he (pbuh) say that? Are you able to show me who quoted him?
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According to whom did he (pbuh) say that? Are you able to show me who quoted him?
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


Also, the majority of the Qur'an follows the Arab cultural customs rather than the much harder to follow injunctions of Jesus.
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He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
As you know, finding a paper that says "Simon Peter said so" doesn't actually mean Simon Peter said so, nor does it mean that Simon Peter actually had a conversation with Jesus (pbuh), nor does it mean that Simon Peter then actually communicated this information to others in the subsequent generation, nor does it mean that they then carried that information forward accurately.

The subject of textual authenticity is not as simple as you think. When we talk about "circular arguments" this is an example of one. Opening up a New Testament where it says "Simon Peter said Jesus said so" is not proof that Jesus actually said so.

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No, it doesn't. Islamic ethics are much more difficult to follow than the injunctions of Jesus (pbuh) and they are not based on "Arab culture" any more than Jesus' injunctions are based on Jewish culture.
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1. How does a Disbeliever be treated by God, when he/she helps out a Muslim by helping them with anything that may be of use to somebody? For example, he/she employed a Muslim because they passed the interview and had the valuable experience they required. Will God reward them or bring some sort of peace in there hearts to find the truth?

2. Is wearing a silver chain or having a ring etc a major sin? What about Gold, which is worser?

3. Am I correct when I say, even if a person killed somebody by a complete accident and it was very tragic, they would still need to pay Blood money to the family if thats what they wish? If so, I ask why it would be be required for the person to do so even when it was accidental?

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1. How does a Disbeliever be treated by God, when he/she helps out a Muslim by helping them with anything that may be of use to somebody? For example, he/she employed a Muslim because they passed the interview and had the valuable experience they required. Will God reward them or bring some sort of peace in there hearts to find the truth?

2. Is wearing a silver chain or having a ring etc a major sin? What about Gold, which is worser?

3. Am I correct when I say, even if a person killed somebody by a complete accident and it was very tragic, they would still need to pay Blood money to the family if thats what they wish? If so, I ask why it would be be required for the person to do so even when it was accidental?

Peace and thank you for answering in advance.
1. Helping out your fellow man is always a good deed. They will be also non-muslims in heaven just because of the goodness in their hearts. But allah knows best. He has the final say.
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1. How does a Disbeliever be treated by God, when he/she helps out a Muslim by helping them with anything that may be of use to somebody? For example, he/she employed a Muslim because they passed the interview and had the valuable experience they required. Will God reward them or bring some sort of peace in there hearts to find the truth?

2. Is wearing a silver chain or having a ring etc a major sin? What about Gold, which is worser?

3. Am I correct when I say, even if a person killed somebody by a complete accident and it was very tragic, they would still need to pay Blood money to the family if thats what they wish? If so, I ask why it would be be required for the person to do so even when it was accidental?

Peace and thank you for answering in advance.
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1) The best way God can reward a disbeliever for their righteous actions and sincere intention to purify their hearts is to guide them. Through guidance to the correct religion, all their past and future good deeds would be rewarded in Paradise.

Without guidance, a person's good deeds will not be rewarded after death. They would simply be compensated by God with some worldly benefit - which is not very useful to them.

2) For a man, wearing any gold anywhere on the body is a major sin. For women it is permissible to wear all types of jewelry. As for silver, it is disliked for men to wear anything besides a silver ring, and it is disliked in general for men to wear jewelry.

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3) Yes it would be required. It is required because even mistakes require compensation. It may not be the killer's direct fault that he killed a man, but it's also not the family's fault that their father or husband is now dead. So a person needs to take accountability for their negligence and take care of the harm they have caused.

Islam is all about being fair to people. In reality, even if someone killed your wife, brother, sister, parents, or children by mistake, you will feel very devastated. You might even hate the killer for a long time, even if they are very sorry about what they did. Blood money is a gesture that helps compensate for the evil that has been caused. A truly good person would also take care of the people that have been affected by the death - such as adopting children if necessary. That is the conduct of the Prophet (pbuh) and his companions (may God be pleased with them).

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1. Helping out your fellow man is always a good deed. They will be also non-muslims in heaven just because of the goodness in their hearts. But allah knows best. He has the final say.
That is not correct. Nobody will enter Paradise because of their good actions or intentions alone. God warns people about this so that they won't even entertain the false idea that doing good deeds will compensate for rejecting Him or His Prophets or belying His revelations.

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