FISH OIL-not good to take?

[gekkoboy14]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

Anything above 2g EPA/DHA daily, to the best of my knowledge there is no evidence that more than 2g has any health and/or athletic benefits (in healthy individuals) and can actually be harmful.

This is also based on diet. For someone like myself who is following a low carb diet, which is high in pro-inflammatory foods, an intake of omega-3 needs to be higher in order for the ratio to be correct, i.e 4:1 linoleic: linolenic

[gekkoboy14]

Originally Posted by RunNakeDnECU

I read in fitnessRx last month that fish oil can hender muscle growth, but I still take it.

It can potentially as inflammation is a key factor in protein synthesis

[dustinlima]

Originally Posted by WillBrink

And there's real no evidence above 2g is harmful/presents an actual net negative to human health, so that's conjecture. You will see in the URL above I recommend right around the 2g mark, but I have no problems with people using far higher doses.

Harm and net harm are completely different. I'm pretty sure blood thinning can be a serious issue for some at higher doses. There might not be research (which I'm sure there is...) but logic shows that too much of anything can be bad. The common saying these days is that the average american diet gives the body a ridiculous amount of w6 compared to w3, resulting in a harmful ratio - you would obviously want to take copious fish oils. But once that "ideal" ratio is restored, you wouldn't want to push the balance the other way, at least, you have no supported reasons to...

And I personally don't eat horse **** all day long like the average american. I do however eat copious amounts of other various fats (keto) so I make sure I get my fish caps every day and/or the more bioavailable oil straight from fish (disputed).

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid#Fish

Of four studies that compare bioavailability of the triglyceride form of fish oil vs. the ester form, two have concluded that the natural triglyceride form is better, and the other two studies did not find a significant difference. No studies have shown the ester form to be superior although it is cheaper to manufacture.[84][85]

Also, apparently theres an ethyl ester form, just like creatine. Though this one looks more promising lol

[Reseg]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

to the best of my knowledge there is no evidence that more than 2g has any health and/or athletic benefits (in healthy individuals)

There's no way to know with the studies we have to reference

For example:

Pregnant women taking 4g of fish oil per day compared to those taking 4g of olive oil.

When the children reached the age of two and a half, they were given various tests measuring growth and development.

Children whose mothers had taken fish oil supplements scored significantly higher in hand-eye coordination than those whose mothers had taken olive oil supplements.

Fish oil children also scored more highly on comprehension, phrase length and vocabulary - even after allowing for factors such as the age of the mother and breastfeeding.


SOURCE

I was unable to find any similar tests using less than 2g to compare, so how can we know if 2g of fish oil would produce as good of results as their test with 4g? That's the issue, many of the studies don't test both. Some may, but not all test both below AND above 2g, usually they're comparing it to not taking it at all or taking another type of oil in a lot of the ones I've read.

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by RunNakeDnECU

I read in fitnessRx last month that fish oil can hender muscle growth, but I still take it.

I have not seen any conclusive research showing fish oil will hinder muscle growth. Did they supply a cite for the statement? That's not to say at some dose, it could potentially effect muscle growth, but that's at best a WAG at this point, and I know plenty of big strong people taking high doses of fish oil, so the dose where that could actually be a problem is probably well above what is even close to reasonable, but again, there's no solid data there.

[UNCnate]

Originally Posted by WillBrink

I have not seen any conclusive research showing fish oil will hinder muscle growth. Did they supply a cite for the statement? That's not to say at some dose, it could potentially effect muscle growth, but that's at best a WAG at this point, and I know plenty of big strong people taking high doses of fish oil, so the dose where that could actually be a problem is probably well above what is even close to reasonable, but again, there's no solid data there.

How high are we talking?

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by dustinlima

that too much of anything can be bad.

And I made that point here:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=24

[WillBrink]

Originally Posted by UNCnate

How high are we talking?

10-12g per day or more not uncommon.

[imadam]

Don't listen to your teacher...I had a college professor try and tell me that I should not be taking any protein other than that in the food I eat! People will tell you crazy ****.

[ansatsuken]

Originally Posted by imadam

Don't listen to your teacher...I had a college professor try and tell me that I should not be taking any protein other than that in the food I eat! People will tell you crazy ****.

agreed. last week creatine was a protein supplement in Human Nutrition

[imadam]

"You are master of your attitude. choose the POSITIVE, the CONSTRUCTIVE. Optimism is a faith that leads to success"


....tight man

[sl4vik]

Lmao, 4g/ a day is dangerous now? What a BUNCH of BS.

There are parts of the world where people drink 1 tablespoon of fishoil a day and live to be over 100. Fish oil is incredibly good for you.

[ansatsuken]

Originally Posted by imadam

"You are master of your attitude. choose the POSITIVE, the CONSTRUCTIVE. Optimism is a faith that leads to success"


....tight man

Bruce Lee was a great Philosopher and Bodybuilder

[kwdelre]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Exactly. You should avoid fish oil. It bad for you. Don't eat any fish either. It bad for you. Stupidest. People. Evar!

This ^ ...

So this person is saying that people shouldn't supplement their fish-less or near fish-less diet with fatty acids human bodies have been using for thousands and thousands of years. There is simply no logic there.

However, if you do have a fish -heavy diet, then yes there is no reason to be taking fish oil. Maybe this is what the person misinterpreted.

[seanpreynolds1]

please read my blog on fish oil vs flax. you can get this from natural foods thats probably what his statement was geared towards.

[sandaltan]

Originally Posted by TomTank77

I was told by someone who is taking a Sports Medicine class, that the professor suggests that people not take any Fish Oil/Omega 3's, as they are now suggesting that you do not need to supplement your diet with these and that it could be harmful.

That's all I was told.

Questions:

1) How much is the best amount to take daily?

2) Does brand/manufactering really matter with Fish Oil?

3) I take the no burb kind from GNC, will you always have the burp with others if they're not no burp?

i was told the opposite.

[caesarer]

some nice posting in here. the arguments from both sides are good. Hansolo experience was nice, even though the hives breakout was a nono.
I take olive, coconut and fish oils daily. I'm pretty sure I'm far from 9g of fish oil per day, unless the 20g of fat from the tuna can is just saturated ones :P
170g tuna + oil > 120g of tuna drained > - 20g-30g of water or so > 20g of fat
so I'm not sure. is that even possible?

for those who are wondering, yes, I drink the oil after eating the tuna

[liftjunkie06]

Originally Posted by ogeorgeko

so you essentially made no argument for or against the use of fish oil, just used your amazing sarcasm. sounds good.

he did so because logic, studies, etc. point to the fact that they are healthy and beneficial in many repects.

[homerunrbi]

Atm I take

400mg of fishoil(anchovy, sardine and/or salmon) EPA 120mg DHA 80MG
400mg of flax seed oil ALA 212mg LA 208mg OA 161mg
400mg of borage seed oil GLA 76mg
10IU of vitamin e

3 times daily, feeling good with no side effects

[Rob94hawk]

My doc gave me a prescription for omega-3 to get my cholesterol down so it must be ok.

[Neopragmatist]

Perhaps the professor meant regarding the ethyl ester forms used in majority of fish oil products? I know some people have problems with that, but regardless, ethyl ester form is both safe and effective vs. natural triglyceride form.