Relentless 2009-2011: Eric Helms forging a physique that leaves no doubt. - Page 23

Quelly · 11-05-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Squizzzer

ahh...i thought you went 400, 305, 500

my bad...

no need to apologize dude lol, I'd like to beat my old total though next time I hit up a meet...although I'm not sure I'll be in the 198's...might have to pull a sodium manipulation to make weight.

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Originally Posted by gymratluke

No doubt bro! And hopefully the next time we get to train together isnt too far off...I really need to come down there again!

indeed my friend!

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Originally Posted by Bnizzle163

Don't worry, E! I gained 3 pounds in a week

. Had my first trip to Red Robin on saturday lol... got my moneys worth on fries.

got to love red robin

But as far as the weight gain, I have a feeling its gonna come down some more, I think my saturday and friday weigh ins might surprise me. And I'm excited to keep raising my carbs up week by week and put on some lbm.

visionz · 11-06-2009, 12:34 AM

Any suggestions on what to get at Red Robin? I've never eaten there but have wanted to for awhile. Is it that good?

Quelly · 11-06-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by visionz

Any suggestions on what to get at Red Robin? I've never eaten there but have wanted to for awhile. Is it that good?

I haven't eaten at red robin since I was in high school...but the burgers there are pretty good from what i remember

FATHER FLEX · 11-06-2009, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Quelly

I haven't eaten at red robin since I was in high school...but the burgers there are pretty good from what i remember

We have one near Nick's! Burger are mmmkay, but once you try thos mini sliders nothing come close.

Also I was going to mention on your strong pressing of late, and more importantly LATE in your prep. I think so much of this had to do with you being a bit more of tight wad with loads, as far a cycling lifts and loads. We have all been there, trying to beat the same 3RM for weeks and weeks....You stayed poised and in control the whole way when it came to that.

Quelly · 11-06-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FATHER FLEX

We have one near Nick's! Burger are mmmkay, but once you try thos mini sliders nothing come close.

Also I was going to mention on your strong pressing of late, and more importantly LATE in your prep. I think so much of this had to do with you being a bit more of tight wad with loads, as far a cycling lifts and loads. We have all been there, trying to beat the same 3RM for weeks and weeks....You stayed poised and in control the whole way when it came to that.

oh definitely....I've known for a long time that periodization is king when it comes to consistent gains...but knowing and doing aren't the same...its taken my stubborn ass a long time to shift away from my natural ADD lifting to now actually doing it and reaping the benefits, and your influence has been HUGE in that.

Last offseason I tracked my macros the entire time and reaped the benefits, this offseason I'm planning out my entire periodization sched too...BIG THINGS coming.

CM82682 · 11-06-2009, 06:57 AM

I'm actually taking physiology of ex. right now and I think youll like it a lot. I think youll do real well in it too by the knowledge in most of your posts.

With your periodization plan do you plan on doing something with more volume/frequency after Max-OT or do you have something else in mind. Trying to pick your brain since periodization is somewhat new to me.

Young9 · 11-06-2009, 07:38 AM

How your not trying to get BIG...but STUPID BIG!

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Originally Posted by FATHER FLEX

We have one near Nick's! Burger are mmmkay, but once you try thos mini sliders nothing come close.

This is so so true...once you taste the Kobe sliders...NOTHING comes close in terms of burgers. Although Alberto and I had these hamburgers in San Francisco awhile back from this place called BurgerMiester that were damn good

Frankdaddy · 11-06-2009, 07:41 AM

Matt Karwoski goes from 240+ lbs down to below 220 from Wednesday evening until Friday morning at an early weigh in, and then loads back up back to 245lbs meet day on Saturday, CRAZYYYYY change for sure.

Periodization is awesome training to learn to adapt to. This is why I am ejoying these programs that map out all of my lifts by %'s as long as I type in my absolute, no ego minded 1RM, lol.

Bnizzle163 · 11-06-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by visionz

Any suggestions on what to get at Red Robin? I've never eaten there but have wanted to for awhile. Is it that good?

They have this new burger with mozzarella cheese sticks on it that looked awesome. The Western Burger is mighty tasty though!! Give that one a go if you like bbq sauce.

SkNatural · 11-06-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by visionz

Any suggestions on what to get at Red Robin? I've never eaten there but have wanted to for awhile. Is it that good?

Dude, get a Monster Burger. I have been dreaming about one of those for almost a year.

COZ999 · 11-06-2009, 09:56 AM

I'm going to this 4lb burger joint tonight. I hope that **** is epic so I can feel like a man!

visionz · 11-06-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankdaddy

Matt Karwoski goes from 240+ lbs down to below 220 from Wednesday evening until Friday morning at an early weigh in, and then loads back up back to 245lbs meet day on Saturday, CRAZYYYYY change for sure.

Did you mean Matt Kroczaleksi?

A genetic merge between Kirk Karowski and Matt Kroczaleski would be a sight to see, though!

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Originally Posted by Bnizzle163

They have this new burger with mozzarella cheese sticks on it that looked awesome. The Western Burger is mighty tasty though!! Give that one a go if you like bbq sauce.

I love me some BBQ sauce...I'll give it a go.

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Originally Posted by SkNatural

Dude, get a Monster Burger. I have been dreaming about one of those for almost a year.

Gonna give one of these a go too

! Both sound delicious. Thanks for the suggestions!

Frankdaddy · 11-06-2009, 11:18 AM

Yea I meant Kroc, I do not know what I was thinking LOL; that would be a genetic freak for sure!

Bnizzle163 · 11-06-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by COZ999

I'm going to this 4lb burger joint tonight. I hope that **** is epic so I can feel like a man!

Post pics! ha

COZ999 · 11-06-2009, 11:58 AM

will do!

devinh · 11-06-2009, 12:29 PM

I'm going to a placetonightthat has a burger challenge too. Not sure how much it weighs though. If I try it I'll have pics for sure. All I've heard about it is BIG, bacon, 4 fried eggs on top, and only 3 people have ever done it.

Quelly · 11-06-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CM82682

I'm actually taking physiology of ex. right now and I think youll like it a lot. I think youll do real well in it too by the knowledge in most of your posts.

With your periodization plan do you plan on doing something with more volume/frequency after Max-OT or do you have something else in mind. Trying to pick your brain since periodization is somewhat new to me.

I bet I'll love it too, and yeah that is exactly the plan...but I'm having trouble thinking of a program to fit the bill...I was thinking GVT but really I don't think its a well designed program...the total number of sets per bodypart really isn't that high, the frequency is still 1x/week, and the only thing increased is the workload...but not that much from max ot...so all i'd really be doing is decreasing intensity...doesnt sound smart to me...

so let me put this out there to everybody, any suggestions on some high volume high frequency programs I should give a go? I could easily design my own, but I'd like to give some existing programs a shot.

J_Bo · 11-06-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Quelly

I bet I'll love it too, and yeah that is exactly the plan...but I'm having trouble thinking of a program to fit the bill...I was thinking GVT but really I don't think its a well designed program...the total number of sets per bodypart really isn't that high, the frequency is still 1x/week, and the only thing increased is the workload...but not that much from max ot...so all i'd really be doing is decreasing intensity...doesnt sound smart to me...

so let me put this out there to everybody, any suggestions on some high volume high frequency programs I should give a go? I could easily design my own, but I'd like to give some existing programs a shot.

You could try the Serge Nubret program and let all all know how it works out for you???

Honestly, though, that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head that is high volume and high frequency.

visionz · 11-06-2009, 01:05 PM

Only one I can come up with that is closest to high freq/high vol and is a pre-made program is Sheiko.

Seems like when people follow a general outline of high freq/high vol it's almost always custom made.

gymratluke · 11-06-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by visionz

only one i can come up with that is closest to high freq/high vol and is a pre-made program is sheiko.

seems like when people follow a general outline of high freq/high vol it's almost always custom made.

What about GVT?!

Quelly · 11-06-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gymratluke

What about GVT?!

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Originally Posted by Quelly

I bet I'll love it too, and yeah that is exactly the plan...but I'm having trouble thinking of a program to fit the bill...I was thinking GVT but really I don't think its a well designed program...the total number of sets per bodypart really isn't that high, the frequency is still 1x/week, and the only thing increased is the workload...but not that much from max ot...so all i'd really be doing is decreasing intensity...doesnt sound smart to me...

so let me put this out there to everybody, any suggestions on some high volume high frequency programs I should give a go? I could easily design my own, but I'd like to give some existing programs a shot.

reading is fundamental luke...tsk tsk

gymratluke · 11-06-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Quelly

reading is fundamental luke...tsk tsk

LMAO I wasnt even in on the convo...he didnt quote you and all I saw was that Sheiko was the only High Volume routine he found! sorry

Quelly · 11-06-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Bo

You could try the Serge Nubret program and let all all know how it works out for you???

Honestly, though, that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head that is high volume and high frequency.

link to serge's?

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Originally Posted by visionz

Only one I can come up with that is closest to high freq/high vol and is a pre-made program is Sheiko.

Seems like when people follow a general outline of high freq/high vol it's almost always custom made.

sheiko is high frequency? I thought it was 3x/week? oh yeah...its full body 3x/week though isn't it?

I may just do the Ivory latino split:
Sat upper
Sun lower
Mon upper
Tue lower
Wed upper
Thu lower
Fri off

NO FAILURE, mon and tue moderate volume easier workout

unless of course serge's program is good stuff....or let me take a look at sheiko...#29 right?

Quelly · 11-06-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gymratluke

LMAO I wasnt even in on the convo...he didnt quote you and all I saw was that Sheiko was the only High Volume routine he found! sorry

lol sall good champ

devinh · 11-06-2009, 01:39 PM

Sheiko isn't too far off from what you are looking for righv now Eric, but I don't know if I would do it right now if I were in your position, unless you were willing to modify it and add to the routine. What about bertos old push, pull, legs (or whatever order it was)? What about just making up your own for a short time, maye 4 weeks, to transition into another program. Plus that would give you a little time to decide on a program.

italianplaya30 · 11-06-2009, 01:41 PM

if u did serge routine....that be something to see!

devinh · 11-06-2009, 01:42 PM

Sheiko #29, correct. Thatsthe one they recommend starting with at least. I would say I agree with that recomendation though

gymratluke · 11-06-2009, 01:43 PM

Oh I see...you want to change your routine already! Gotcha...Hmmm

Quelly · 11-06-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by devinh

Sheiko isn't too far off from what you are looking for righv now Eric, but I don't know if I would do it right now if I were in your position, unless you were willing to modify it and add to the routine. What about bertos old push, pull, legs (or whatever order it was)? What about just making up your own for a short time, maye 4 weeks, to transition into another program. Plus that would give you a little time to decide on a program.

i'm thinking berto's upper lower split I listed I might go for unless serge's routine has some merit

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Originally Posted by italianplaya30

if u did serge routine....that be something to see!

link?

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Originally Posted by devinh

Sheiko #29, correct. Thatsthe one they recommend starting with at least. I would say I agree with that recomendation though

yeah...maybe later down the road...a little too much of the same movements for me right now, my joints are still recovering...and to be honest 3x/week is too little time in the gym for me lol

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Originally Posted by gymratluke

Oh I see...you want to change your routine already! Gotcha...Hmmm

no, I'm still doing max ot for another 5-7 weeks

gymratluke · 11-06-2009, 01:53 PM

O I C so you're just lookin into what you'll change to after you're done...I like Upper/Lower a lot! I personally would go with a Pull/Push/Lower routine, but I dont know if it has the frequency you need since you'd most likely need to take a day off between Lower and Pull.