OFFICIAL: Poker thread part3

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by OMGEnglemanChan

LOL @ "taking a shot" = 10 times regular stakes. But its PLO so its all a gamble in the end ^_^

Yeah, not really shot taking as in trying to move up to that level, but shot taking as in being a retarded degen who feels like putting a large part of his roll on the line. In b4 busto. I know that no matter how much I lose I can still grind it back at PLO100, it'll just take a while and be money wasted.

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

wow strong swing...and yes recovering a massive losing session and somehow being up on the day is one of the best feelings...though id prefer it if you didnt have to go through the losing part at all first before winning it back...it has probably aged me about 45 years at this point.

Yeah, it feels AWESOME but I'd really just prefer to run GOOD from the start

[Alfz]

can someone explain what does 4betting means?

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by Alfz

can someone explain what does 4betting means?

Example preflop:

$1/$2 blinds.

You raise it to $6 in the small blind. The big blind then re-raises you to $20. This is a 3bet. 4betting is when you then re-raise HIS reraise.

[Alfz]

Originally Posted by Loctus

Example preflop:

$1/$2 blinds.

You raise it to $6 in the small blind. The big blind then re-raises you to $20. This is a 3bet. 4betting is when you then re-raise HIS reraise.

got it now, thanks

[Rizen]

Originally Posted by Alfz

can someone explain what does 4betting means?

a 4th bet before card(s) is dealt

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by Rizen

a 4th bet before card(s) is dealt

It can be kinda misleading since it's a third raise, not 4th.

[SolidSnake84]

had 2 sick sick hands in my last session and the one before it...i saved the hand history on one, ill post it later tonite maybe...but here's what happened in both. (they are not bad beat stories, i won lol)...i rarely get gifts like this so think they are worth posting.

NL100 FR:

get 22...i raise from CO, get reraised to $10, flop comes 223...im in position and just tanking and calling like ive got JJ bc i know he's got a big pair...turn is 8, river is K...he shoves river (though he's invested himself pretty much by then. he had KK, brutal beat, bet he never thought he was losing that one. won a huge pot off it

NL25 6 max:

have 84 of spades in the blinds and no raises before me. flop comes 567 with 2 spades...i bet weak on the flop...turn comes blank 6...i bet stronger again...get 1 caller...river is 6 of spades...guy bets big into me and i shove (he only had about $15 total preflop)...he goes "ty" in the chat...then calls me and flips over Q6o, 4 of a kind...didnt beat my straight flush though...he lost it lol

[TheGunShowMane]

will ship $5 on FT to som1 who can tell me the song @ 45:35....

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/s...-the-world/4od

(you might have to be from UK to view)

[TDmuscle25]

Originally Posted by Loctus

lmao. Update on this^: Ended the day up $160 instead of down $3000. Best feeling ever.

Night boys.

Sick Life

[TheatreWish]

i have this useless paysafe card of 10 euro, cant use it cause am Canadian. anyone want for 10$ ft or ps?

[Smurg]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

had 2 sick sick hands in my last session and the one before it...i saved the hand history on one, ill post it later tonite maybe...but here's what happened in both. (they are not bad beat stories, i won lol)...i rarely get gifts like this so think they are worth posting.

NL100 FR:

get 22...i raise from CO, get reraised to $10, flop comes 223...im in position and just tanking and calling like ive got JJ bc i know he's got a big pair...turn is 8, river is K...he shoves river (though he's invested himself pretty much by then. he had KK, brutal beat, bet he never thought he was losing that one. won a huge pot off it

NL25 6 max:

have 84 of spades in the blinds and no raises before me. flop comes 567 with 2 spades...i bet weak on the flop...turn comes blank 6...i bet stronger again...get 1 caller...river is 6 of spades...guy bets big into me and i shove (he only had about $15 total preflop)...he goes "ty" in the chat...then calls me and flips over Q6o, 4 of a kind...didnt beat my straight flush though...he lost it lol

I don't think flatting a 3-bet OOP or IP is +EV for set mining purposes ever.

[PotKettleBlack]

Originally Posted by fred2367

Ummm no. Is he along the lines of the really elite guys like Phil Ivey or Durrr, probably not. But he is an extremely solid player. He has won millions and he has also played in the WSOP and made the final table his first try.

But hey, If you think the guy has won millions by being horrible then I will not try and convince you otherwise. I just hope I can hope to be as " horrible " as he is.

He runs good, obv.

[fred2367]

Originally Posted by PotKettleBlack

He runs good, obv.

LOL.. Riiiight.

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by Smurg

I don't think flatting a 3-bet OOP or IP is +EV for set mining purposes ever.

.... wat?


05:30

http://www.pokertube.com/Movies.aspx...me_S03_Ep9_2_2

[OMGEnglemanChan]

Originally Posted by Smurg

I don't think flatting a 3-bet OOP or IP is +EV for set mining purposes ever.

Agree 100% with OOP, IP = unless you are deep, or vsing a super aggro guy who will always stacks off, whether bluffing or for value, if he 3bets as he doesn't want to lose the pot (and this must be an absolute guarantee - these players are obv very rare). Aggro villain must also be >100bb deep, no point going for hyper aggro shorties

[SeP]

Originally Posted by TheGunShowMane

will ship $5 on FT to som1 who can tell me the song @ 45:35....

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/s...-the-world/4od

(you might have to be from UK to view)

I cant watch it cuz im from US FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU i want $5 cuz im busto

[fcb1012]

past 2 hu sng 4man I have been in I have advanced to final table and all 4 matches all been decided on the river when someone was all in. Last night and today have been ridiculous.

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by fcb1012

past 2 hu sng 4man I have been in I have advanced to final table and all 4 matches all been decided on the river when someone was all in. Last night and today have been ridiculous.

That is usually the case.

[fcb1012]

Originally Posted by Loctus

That is usually the case.

wow little kid, really?

[Suit]

I can't win a $1 sit-n-go if my life depended on it. But I can win $3 Sit-N-Go's.

wtf

[AdamL00001]

Originally Posted by Suit

I can't win a $1 sit-n-go if my life depended on it. But I can win $3 Sit-N-Go's.

wtf

You're not alone.

[Suit]

Originally Posted by AdamL00001

You're not alone.

Think its because of the skill level of players?

I find it easier to play against better people. (make sense?)

[Lovetodream]

Originally Posted by Suit

I can't win a $1 sit-n-go if my life depended on it. But I can win $3 Sit-N-Go's.

wtf

Sample size?

also where you playing? you're probably paying 20-25% rake which is a killer

move up to where it's 10% or so

[Suit]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream

Sample size?

also where you playing? you're probably paying 20-25% rake which is a killer

move up to where it's 10% or so

I am playing on PokerStars. I switched from FTP because it seems like everyone is a river rat.

[AdamL00001]

Originally Posted by Suit

Think its because of the skill level of players?

I find it easier to play against better people. (make sense?)

Oh, it's on Stars too? Other than the fact that it's 10 people vs. 9, you're probably on to something about skill level. It's much easier to take people to the bank when they have second-best hands when they know a bit more about the game. Not enough to keep us from taking their stacks, of course--but just enough information to be dangerous to themselves.

[Suit]

Originally Posted by AdamL00001

Oh, it's on Stars too? Other than the fact that it's 10 people vs. 9, you're probably on to something about skill level. It's much easier to take people to the bank when they have second-best hands when they know a bit more about the game. Not enough to keep us from taking their stacks, of course--but just enough information to be dangerous to themselves.

Exactly what I mean by skill level. I got called down earlier, he had kings I had a set.

I had A2 in my hand, he had pocket kings.

Flop - A 4 9

He bets 450 (pot was 400)
I call.

Turn - A
He checks
I check

River - Q
He bets 600
I go all in
he calls

he rages asking why I called on the flop.

My name is rather intimidating in itself. PokerStars name = ImTheProphet
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Yea, I find that when playing IRL at house games vs friends, I can rip my friends that are actually GOOD at poker and know a lot, but I can't take any money from anyone else.

Same at the casino's. lol

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Smurg

I don't think flatting a 3-bet OOP or IP is +EV for set mining purposes ever.

Originally Posted by OMGEnglemanChan

Agree 100% with OOP, IP = unless you are deep, or vsing a super aggro guy who will always stacks off, whether bluffing or for value, if he 3bets as he doesn't want to lose the pot (and this must be an absolute guarantee - these players are obv very rare). Aggro villain must also be >100bb deep, no point going for hyper aggro shorties

well there were a few factors to consider. first i did have position...i was cutoff and he 3bet me from the small blind...i had bet $3 and he had raised to $10...2ndly, we were both somewhat deep...it was NL100 FR, and i had about $135 on the table and he had me covered. 3rdly, he was at my table for a few hours and whenever he had 3bet, he'd c-bet the flop fairly large and double barrel the turn in almost all cases that it went that far...so i knew he'd do a fair bit of the betting for me, and sure enough he put in over half his stack by the turn and had about $60 left when he hit his king for the boat, but i dont see how he doesnt shove the river anyway even if the king doesnt hit, on a 2238X board, it is simply too dry and id been playing tight enough that he wouldnt suspect a 2, and that i wouldnt flat call his massive pot-sized c-bet with 88...

another thing is i was fairly certain he had QQ+...i think u have to take chances to set mine in these instances...it was $7 more for a shot at over $100...i can see how it can be a drain on your bankroll if you are constantly calling 3bets with any pocket pair (i dont recommend this)...i mean it is pretty rare to hit your set, and if you do it 10 x and miss all 10 (which is likely enough) then youve lost all the money you made that one time it hit before, just to go fishing and check fold the flop, in most cases.

i generally try to stay away from flatting 3bets, especially out of position and the only time i can warrant it is, like OMGEnglemanChan said, if the guy is a nut and will stack off regardless of the cards...and the only other time is in a multiway pot (and usually there are only 2 players in a 3bet pot)...but if there are like 2-4 callers, of course i will stay in due to pot odds.

just my take on it...i think it's player dependent and not an unmalleable set of rules that cant be broken.

[Smurg]

Originally Posted by Loctus

.... wat?


05:30

http://www.pokertube.com/Movies.aspx...me_S03_Ep9_2_2

So if you open CO and get 3-bet from the BTN, you flat them 100% of the time or what ?

Obviously it depends on the player, but flatting 3-bets for set mining is terribad usually.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Smurg

I don't think flatting a 3-bet OOP or IP is +EV for set mining purposes ever.

Originally Posted by Smurg

So if you open CO and get 3-bet from the BTN, you flat them 100% of the time or what ?

Obviously it depends on the player, but flatting 3-bets for set mining is terribad usually.

no take-sy backsies brah!!!

[kcirdec]

there are some decently common spots where flatting 3bets oop is profitable. One of them is being actually deep enough to setmine profitably. Another is against a min 3bet though depending on villain our hand can often be good. Another is if we have a multiway pot so we get correct odds to call