Ask About Islam 3

[Bahai.Lifter]

Originally Posted by zman155

I apologize, Baha'i faith. And you know its not like we did that on purpose our intentions were not malice we just did not know. As of now I will use the term "Baha'i faith"

Apology accepted my friend.

Originally Posted by zman155

And how do you infer that that is what we were saying based off using the wrong term which we were just unaware of? (I was not aware Baha'ism was disrepectful, if that is the case, then I apologize)

If you did not know, then I apologize to you. However, SK and others here have been informed about it so they know; nevertheless they insist on using the outdated term "Baha'ism."

Originally Posted by zman155

If someone said Muhammadanism, I would assume it is because they do not know of the term Islam or Muslim not because they have some "ill-will" towards me. I'm sure once I enlightened them, they would stop.

Fair enough. No argument there, my brother.

[stud_ibrahim]

Originally Posted by Bahai.Lifter

Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, etc., etc..., do not accept Islam as a religion also. However, for the sake of interfaith harmony, telling another person that he believes in a "false religion" isn't exactly the best way to create unity. That practice is usually looked down on by people seeking to create friendship and brotherhood, not to mention the fact that such a practice is anti-Islam; the Qur'an instructs Muslims:

"Say not to everyone who meeteth you with a greeting, 'Thou art not a believer'" (Qur'an 4:94).

So, this has ended up being a fruitful discussion. We have established:

1. The Qur'an forbids you to tell someone else that he is not a believer

2. The Qur'an explicitly states that there will be more Revelations

It's not as simple as you said. You just took a verse of the Quran and put forward it's literal meaning in the sense that you can percieve it. The Aaya(verse) that you are referring to right now is from the fourth Chapter; Surah Nisa of the Holy Quran. This aayah was revealed due to an incident that happened between a companion of the Prophet and a Disbeliever. The incident is described below in detail:-




[b]Imam Ahmad recorded that `Ikrimah said that Ibn `Abbas said, "A man from Bani Sulaym, who was tending a flock of sheep, passed by some of the Companions of the Prophet and said Salam to them. They said (to each other), `He only said Salam to protect himself from us.' Then they attacked him and killed him. They brought his sheep to the Prophet , and this Ayah was revealed,


﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ﴾


(O you who believe!), until the end of the Ayah.'' At-Tirmidhi recorded this in his (chapter on) Tafsir, and said, "This Hadith is Hasan, and it is also reported from Usamah bin Zayd.'' Al-Hakim also recorded it and said, "Its chain is Sahih, but they did not collect it.'' Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn `Abbas commented;


﴿وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ أَلْقَى إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَـمَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِناً﴾


(and say not to anyone who greets you: "You are not a believer;''), "A man was tending his sheep and the Muslims caught up with him. He said, `As-Salamu `Alaykum.' However, they killed him and took his sheep. Allah revealed the Ayah;


﴿وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ أَلْقَى إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَـمَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِناً تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَوةِ الدُّنْيَا﴾


(And say not to anyone who greets you: "You are not a believer; seeking the perishable goods of the worldly life).'' Ibn `Abbas said; "The goods of this world were those sheep.'' And he recited,


﴿السَّلَـمُ﴾


(Peace) Imam Ahmad recorded that Al-Qa`qa` bin Abdullah bin Abi Hadrad narrated that his father `Abdullah bin Abi Hadrad said, "The Messenger of Allah sent us to (the area of) Idam. I rode out with a group of Muslims that included Abu Qatadah, Al-Harith bin Rab`i and Muhallam bin Juthamah bin Qays. We continued on until we reached the area of Idam, where `Amr bin Al-Adbat Al-Ashja`i passed by us on his camel. When he passed by us he said Salam to us, and we did not attack him. Because of some previous problems with him, Muhallam bin Juthamah killed him and took his camel. When we went back to the Messenger of Allah and told him what had happened, a part of the Qur'an was revealed about us,


﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِى سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ﴾


(O you who believe! When you go (to fight) in the cause of Allah), until,


﴿خَبِيراً﴾


(Well-Aware).'' Only Ahmad recorded this Hadith. Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah said to Al-Miqdad,


?إِذَا كَانَ رَجُلٌ مُؤْمِنٌ يُخْفِي إِيمَانَهُ مَعَ قَوْمٍ كُفَّارٍ فَأَظْهَرَ إيمَانَهُ فَقَتَلْتَهُ، فَكَذلِكَ كُنْتَ أَنْتَ تُخْفِي إِيمَانَكَ بِمَكَّةَ مِنْ قَبْل?


(You killed a believing man who hid his faith with disbelieving people, after he had announced his faith to you. Remember that you used to hide your faith in Makkah before.) Al-Bukhari recorded this shorter version without a complete chain of narrators. However a longer version with a connected chain of narrators has also been recorded. Al-Hafiz Abu Bakr Al-Bazzar recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "The Messenger of Allah sent a military expedition under the authority of Al-Miqdad bin Al-Aswad and when they reached the designated area, they found the people had dispersed. However, a man with a lot of wealth did not leave and said, `I bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah.' Yet, Al-Miqdad killed him, and a man said to him, `You killed a man after he proclaimed: "There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah. By Allah I will mention what you did to the Prophet .' When they went back to the Messenger of Allah, they said, `O Messenger of Allah! Al-Miqdad killed a man who testified that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah.' He said,


?ادْعُوا لِيَ الْمِقْدَادَ، يَا مِقْدَادُ أَقَتَلْتَ رَجُلًا يَقُولُ: لَا إِلهَ إلَّا اللهُ، فَكَيْفَ لَكَ بِلَا إِلهَ إِلَّا اللهُ غَدًا؟?


(Summon Al-Miqdad before me. O Miqdad! Did you kill a man who proclaimed, "There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah" What would you do when you face, "There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah tomorrow") Allah then revealed;


﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِى سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ أَلْقَى إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَـمَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِناً تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَوةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِنْدَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ كَذلِكَ كُنتُمْ مِّن قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ﴾


(O you who believe! When you go (to fight) in the cause of Allah, verify (the truth), and say not to anyone who greets you: "You are not a believer;'' seeking the perishable goods of the worldly life. There are much more profits and booties with Allah. Even as he is now, so were you yourselves before till Allah conferred on you His Favors, therefore, be cautious in discrimination). The Messenger of Allah said to Al-Miqdad,


?كَانَ رَجُلٌ مُؤْمِنٌ يُخْفِي إِيمَانَهُ مَعَ قَوْمٍ كُفَّارٍ فَأَظْهَرَ إيمَانَهُ فَقَتَلْتَهُ، فَكَذَلِكَ كُنْتَ أَنْتَ تُخْفِي إِيمَانَكَ بِمَكَّةَ مِنْ قَبْل?


(He was a believing man who hid his faith among disbelieving people, and he announced his faith to you, but you killed him, although you used to hide your faith before, in Makkah.)[b/]
Excerpt from tafsir Ibn Kathir

So next time when you take out a verse from the Quran, Find it's implied deeper meaning first by going through the exegisis of that particular verse. Things like Under what circumstances the verse was revealed, To whom was the verse in particular directed towards, what was the external conditions at the time when the verse wad revealed. Then you will be able to understand the significance of a verse.

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by stud_ibrahim

It's not as simple as you said. You just took a verse of the Quran and put forward it's literal meaning in the sense that you can percieve it. The Aaya(verse) that you are referring to right now is from the fourth Chapter; Surah Nisa of the Holy Quran. This aayah was revealed due to an incident that happened between a companion of the Prophet and a Disbeliever.

...

So next time when you take out a verse from the Quran, Find it's implied deeper meaning first by going through the exegisis of that particular verse. Things like Under what circumstances the verse was revealed, To whom was the verse in particular directed towards, what was the external conditions at the time when the verse wad revealed. Then you will be able to understand the significance of a verse.

This was also addressed here:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=2455

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

And finally, Bahai makes the accusation that I am personally judging who is or is not a believer. This is also a simple claim to confute.

It is God Himself who defines what a "believer" is. A "believer" is someone who believes in all the creed and laws and revelations of the religion that God has revealed. By that definition, people who don't believe in those things have breached the definition of a "believer". They would fall into the definition of a "disbeliever" or any of the various levels of disbelief and misguidance. And all of these concepts are clearly defined by God Himself, there is no room for personal opinion.

So in reply, Bahai randomly quotes a verse which instructs Muslims not to assume that someone is not a believer when they meet them. This piece of advice is perfectly reasonable, since one shouldn't make any such assumptions about someone.

However, after you greet someone and start a discussion, and realize that the person you have greeted openly denies many basic principles of creed and law in Islam, then there is no longer any need to "assume" they are a disbeliever - they most certainly are disbelievers and their admitted beliefs are evidence of this.

For example, is a Bahai a Muslim? Is a Bahai a believer in Islamic revelations? Is a Bahai a believer in what God revealed to Muhammad (pbuh)? The answer is no on all counts. The only way a Bahai can convince themselves that they believe in Islamic revelations is when they outright deny the existence of many of the revelations as we saw above.

So when greeting a Bahai, is there any need to even presume they are not believers? Of course not, because by definition a Bahai is a disbeliever in Islam.

So we can see clearly how Bahais like to randomly quote verses out of context in order to hastily formulate their arguments when in fact the verses have little to do with the point they are trying to make.

I hope this has been a good learning experience on the disingenuous argumentation employed by Bahais in support of their beliefs.

Originally Posted by Bahai.Lifter

And I don't enter threads of Muslims and pretend to be a Muslim. Then I guess we've got somethin' in common, pal. I never was, nor will I ever be, a Muslim, so there can be no doubt about my religious affiliation. I have on many occasions explicitly stated that I'm not a Muslim. My user name and sig. are the biggest hints of all that I'm not a Muslim.

The verse is not talking about being a believer [in God] or a believer [in some random religion] or a believer in [any one of the hundreds of sects and cults that exist].

Rather, whenever God talks about being a believer, God is talking about believing in His revelations and Prophets (pbut), not merely believing in His existence - which is not in itself a means to salvation. Anyone who openly rejects Islam as their religion is not a believer, rather, they are a disbeliever. It doesn't matter if they "believe" in something else. I'm sure in that respect, anyone is a "believer" in something. But it will not help someone to be a believer in a false religion or to hold any false beliefs about God, His Prophets (pbut), or His revelations. Rather, this form of belief is more harmful than helpful on the Day of Judgment.

[Bahai.Lifter]

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

The verse is not talking about being a believer [in God] or a believer [in some random religion] or a believer in [any one of the hundreds of sects and cults that exist].

Rather, whenever God talks about being a believer, God is talking about believing in His revelations and Prophets (pbut), not merely believing in His existence - which is not in itself a means to salvation. Anyone who openly rejects Islam as their religion is not a believer, rather, they are a disbeliever. It doesn't matter if they "believe" in something else. I'm sure in that respect, anyone is a "believer" in something. But it will not help someone to be a believer in a false religion or to hold any false beliefs about God, His Prophets (pbut), or His revelations. Rather, this form of belief is more harmful than helpful on the Day of Judgment.

See, the reason you cannot say that (i.e., someone is not a believer) is because you could be wrong. For the sake of argument, take this example (please keep in mind this is hypothetical, I'm not using any specific examples/my own beliefs here): on the one hand, if you have a Muslim who says he is a believer, and on the other hand you've got someone who believes in Muhammad and who simultaneously believes in (has not rejected) the Mihdi and the Return of Jesus, then certainly both cannot be deemed true believers. One is a believer in name only, the other is a believer in reality. If someone says he believes in Muhammad, but rejects the Mihdi, it is as if he has denied Muhammad and God, and he is not a believer at all. In fact, he would be even more of a non-believer than a non-Muslim, because at least non-Muslims aren't awaiting the Mihdi technically. So the person who is supposedly waiting for the Mihdi and who rejects Him is more of a non-believer than a non-Muslim. I have no doubt that you will readily agree with this hypothetical situation. Again, forget about my/other beliefs for the moment, I'm sure what I said hypothetically makes perfect sense; and if not, I'd be happy to post a passage from the Holy Qur'an which could help.

[Josho0909]

Does a man has a beard in Jannah?

[stud_ibrahim]

Originally Posted by Josho0909

Does a man has a beard in Jannah?

No.

"The inhabitants of Paradise will enter Paradise hairless, beardless with their eyes anointed with collyrium, aged thirty or thirty-three years."[Tirmidhi]

[stud_ibrahim]

I heard some people say that a child who loses his mother in his early childhood i.e he is deprived of the mother's love during his childhood; is an unfortunate child and that he has lost the chance of gaining a lot of virtues by failing to serve his mother. Is this true? Also the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was also orphaned in his childhood as we all know...

[JIGSAW.1]

Salaam brother,
If one use to pray when he was younger and strayed off later on in his life for a few years and wants to straigthen up...the missed prayers/fasting etc...how is it possible to make up for it?

Are we suppose to make up all of those missed players?

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by Levrone147

Salaam brother,
If one use to pray when he was younger and strayed off later on in his life for a few years and wants to straigthen up...the missed prayers/fasting etc...how is it possible to make up for it?

Are we suppose to make up all of those missed players?

As-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een wa sallim

One would need to make up all the prayers missed since puberty.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=4746

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=5030

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2190&CATE=343

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=1081&CATE=239

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2572&CATE=103

Jazakum Allah Khair
Barak Allah Feekum
W'as-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by stud_ibrahim

I heard some people say that a child who loses his mother in his early childhood i.e he is deprived of the mother's love during his childhood; is an unfortunate child and that he has lost the chance of gaining a lot of virtues by failing to serve his mother. Is this true? Also the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was also orphaned in his childhood as we all know...

As-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een wa sallim

Orphans have a lot of reward in the sight of God, if they also happen to be righteous, because they miss out on the protection, love, and upbringing of good parents.

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0004P0033.aspx

Jazakum Allah Khair
Barak Allah Feekum
W'as-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu

[JIGSAW.1]

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

As-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een wa sallim

One would need to make up all the prayers missed since puberty.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=4746

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=5030

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2190&CATE=343

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=1081&CATE=239

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2572&CATE=103

Jazakum Allah Khair
Barak Allah Feekum
W'as-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu

Salaam

What would be the best way to start this? I dont remember all the prayers I've missed and I would love to makr them up but whats the best way too do so?

Jazak Allah wa Khair

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by Levrone147

Salaam

What would be the best way to start this? I dont remember all the prayers I've missed and I would love to makr them up but whats the best way too do so?

Jazak Allah wa Khair

As-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een wa sallim

The easiest way is to make a conservative estimate about how many prayers were missed, then for every current prayer, pray a missed prayer. After some time, they should be made up. Keep an excel worksheet if it helps.

Jazakum Allah Khair
Barak Allah Feekum
W'as-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by Levrone147

Salaam

What would be the best way to start this? I dont remember all the prayers I've missed and I would love to makr them up but whats the best way too do so?

Jazak Allah wa Khair

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

As-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een wa sallim

The easiest way is to make a conservative estimate about how many prayers were missed, then for every current prayer, pray a missed prayer. After some time, they should be made up. Keep an excel worksheet if it helps.

Jazakum Allah Khair
Barak Allah Feekum
W'as-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu

As-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een wa sallim

By the way, this only applies to persons who were Muslim since puberty. If a person converts to Islam later in their life, they do not have to make up any prayers except the ones they missed since becoming Muslim.

Jazakum Allah Khair
Barak Allah Feekum
W'as-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu

[zman155]

Originally Posted by miscin321

In sociology class we learned that the 6 main modes of knowledge are in this order...

Magic, Animism, Religion, Philosophy, something, Science.

These are what humans knew and developed as time passed.

If this is true, religion did not exist at the beginning of times and was later created.

What is ur take on this?

This is not true as the first human being created on Earth was Adam. And he was in direct contact with Allah (swt)

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by miscin321

In sociology class we learned that the 6 main modes of knowledge are in this order...

Magic, Animism, Religion, Philosophy, something, Science.

These are what humans knew and developed as time passed.

If this is true, religion did not exist at the beginning of times and was later created.

What is ur take on this?

I'd say religion had always existed in human civilization since the dawn of mankind. The scientific method would be the most recent development, but "flawed" science has also been around for epochs, as have "false" religions such as "animism" or in some cases primitive forms of "philosophy". It's really a difficult question to answer without speculation since we have very few records of what humans were doing, saying, or thinking in spite of the length of time they've spent on Earth.

[PRANING]

anyone translate this for me...

Dil se milne ki tamana hi nahi jab dil main, Haath se haath milane ki zaroorat kya hai

Tu hi mera saara jahan hai, Tu hi mere rab ki tarah hai

[psamty]

Originally Posted by PRANING

anyone translate this for me...

Dil se milne ki tamana hi nahi jab dil main, Haath se haath milane ki zaroorat kya hai

When even the hearts do not wish to meet, of what use is joining hands?

Tu hi mera saara jahan hai, Tu hi mere rab ki tarah hai

You alone are my entire world, you are like my God.

[UK-Baz]

Originally Posted by PRANING

anyone translate this for me...

Dil se milne ki tamana hi nahi jab dil main, Haath se haath milane ki zaroorat kya hai

Tu hi mera saara jahan hai, Tu hi mere rab ki tarah hai

where is this from ? a nasheed ?

[SYRIANKID]

What is the Difference Between the Heart (Qalb), Kindling Heart (fuaad), and the Pure Intellect (lubb)?

http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/...ntellect-lubb/

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=9251

[bigorexic84]

salams,

i was talking to this sister and she was tellin me bout how when u go into sajda, ur not allowed to have anything that u are wearing to come btw urself and the floor. she was talking in reference to her hijab.

does the same apply to men. ie, when we go out to play football, well sometimes extend our sleeves out so we dont have to put our face direct in the grass.

also i wear baseball hats alot of the time, i jus turn them around. my forehead doesnt directly touch the ground (only through the hat). i was assuming that this was aright since noone has said anything to me and that ppl wear kufis all the time and the same type of situation would arise

jzaks in adv

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by bigorexic84

salams,

i was talking to this sister and she was tellin me bout how when u go into sajda, ur not allowed to have anything that u are wearing to come btw urself and the floor. she was talking in reference to her hijab.

does the same apply to men. ie, when we go out to play football, well sometimes extend our sleeves out so we dont have to put our face direct in the grass.

also i wear baseball hats alot of the time, i jus turn them around. my forehead doesnt directly touch the ground (only through the hat). i was assuming that this was aright since noone has said anything to me and that ppl wear kufis all the time and the same type of situation would arise

jzaks in adv

As-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een wa sallim

The sister is correct, it is strongly disliked to have anything between the forehead and the ground (even a hijab or turban or prayer cap). One can have something on the ground to prevent dirtying up the face, but it should be thin.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=3794&CATE=387

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=1883&CATE=113

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...&ID=959&CATE=4

So be careful about this issue. Another common mistake is not fully washing the feet before prayer, or not bowing or prostrating fully and slowly.

Jazakum Allah Khair
Barak Allah Feekum
W'as-Salaamu aleikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatahu

[TeamDelarosa]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Islam does not recognize Bahai as a religion so, you have no faith for them to be harmonious with.

Why doesn't Islam recognize Bahai as a religion?

Also what is this thing someone told me today that you can have a marriage contract that's like for example 7 days long? As long as it's singed off by a Imam? I forgot the word. Can you explain what it is and stuff, if you know what I am talking about...which I don't.

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by TeamDelarosa

Why doesn't Islam recognize Bahai as a religion?

Also what is this thing someone told me today that you can have a marriage contract that's like for example 7 days long? As long as it's singed off by a Imam? I forgot the word. Can you explain what it is and stuff, if you know what I am talking about...which I don't.

Islam doesn't recognize any religion which was created after Islam, nor does it recognize any religion which is not verifiably based on what God had once revealed.

You're probably thinking about "mut'a". We don't believe that's an acceptable marriage, rather, we consider that to be a form of fornication.

http://www.ahlelbayt.com/category/articles/mutah

[Bahai.Lifter]

Originally Posted by TeamDelarosa

Why doesn't Islam recognize Bahai as a religion?

Because, like many other religions of the past, mainstream Muslims today deny the possibility of future Revelation after Islam. Just like the Jews did and many Christians do today. This is despite the fact that the Qur'an in the clearest of terms states that Revelation will continue (see my previous posts).

But that is no excuse. The Hadith say that if anyone claims to be the Promised One (Mihdi or Qa'im), you have to investigate the claim even if your arms and legs are cut off, and you have to wiggle outside in the cold on the snow to get to the claim. But the "no more Revelations" excuse I guess makes it mentally easier to reject anything new; you don't have to investigate that way. Granted, this is mainstream Islam. There have been many Muslims, including high ranking ones, who indeed converted to the Baha'i Faith (including a scholar who taught at Al-Azhar University and converted many Muslims to Baha'is!) -- at a higher rate than seen, for example, at the beginning of the Islamic or Christian Dispensations.

[ShapiroMD]

Originally Posted by Bahai.Lifter

..... mainstream Muslims today deny the possibility of future Revelation after Islam.......

Islam states that books have been revealed in the past and the quran is the final book. Muhammad (PBUH) is the final prohpet. Islam is the final religion that has been revealed to mankind.

[SteR-]

Originally Posted by Bahai.Lifter

This is despite the fact that the Qur'an in the clearest of terms states that Revelation will continue (see my previous posts).

I thought the Qur'an was pretty clear about there being no more revelations after? Could you link the posts where you've discussed this before please.. search never seems to work for me

[Harbinger]

Can you please show where the Qur'an says Muhammad is the last of the prophets.

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Can you please show where the Qur'an says Muhammad is the last of the prophets.

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B..._fop/index.htm

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B..._fop/index.htm

Thanks SK that's an interesting read. I think these two passages sum it up rather well

The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).

The Prophet of God (PBUH) affirmed: "My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example:
A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marvelled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).

After reading that it's fairly clear what is meant, I don't understand how tha Bahai can justify their claims.

[Bahai.Lifter]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

After reading that it's fairly clear what is meant, I don't understand how tha Bahai can justify their claims.

Very understandable. Go to an Orthodox Jewish link and read it and you will understand how Christianity cannot be a Divine religion, or read from a Christian link how Islam cannot be a Divine religion. Best sources of information; They definitely give us the absolute and unbiased truth.