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Nope I agree with ya...but why are you racking a clean? 
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Why would I not be? If I did not properly rack the bar on my shoulders, it would just be a pull.
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Originally Posted by put5onyo
You had a dumb football coach.
A workout like that two days before a game? I guess if you don't want your team to have legs for the game.
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Dumb no, he was a great coach. but he was insane...the 3 years that we did that our record was 26-8
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Originally Posted by Arlecchino
Why would I not be? If I did not properly rack the bar on my shoulders, it would just be a pull.
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Oh sorry I wasn't thinking. I was thinking of an actual bar rack
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10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Deads @ 275
Handstand Pushups
Time: 30min
First time ever doing Handstand pushups...fawk they get hard!!!
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Originally Posted by Tyler44
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Hahaha awesome
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Iron
Dumb no, he was a great coach. but he was insane...the 3 years that we did that our record was 26-8
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Imagine what the record could have been had he not been an idiot when it came to conditioning.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by put5onyo
Imagine what the record could have been had he not been an idiot when it came to conditioning.
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apparently whatever he did worked. would it have been better with or without his conditioning methods, we'll never know.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muruku
apparently whatever he did worked. would it have been better with or without his conditioning methods, we'll never know.
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U friends with this coach or something?
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11-05-2009, 08:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by put5onyo
U friends with this coach or something?
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11-05-2009, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dedicatedforlife
I know that there are a lot of members on this forum that work their ass off in the gym. Sometimes we start repeating tough workouts and they just get boring as hell, and as a result we lose motivation.
Anyways I just got back from the gym and will post the workout I did. It was just enough work to barely get it done. Hopefully others can start posting workouts that they sweated through for others to try.
My workout today (I Do Crossfit, so a workout for time):
10 Deads
10 Bench
10 Squats
10 Rounds
All at 155lbs with NO RACK
Time: 32:42 - 300 total reps
Hopefully this can be an ongoing thread as I know variety in the gym is what keeps us from losing motivation and what gets us stronger and bigger.
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dang pete, all these interesting threads you creating lately, making me type, how dare you
any day I decide to hit hams after my normal quad and calf workout is pretty rough, since they usually have there own day
so its like
BB squats - 1x15,1x12,1x10,1x8,1x6,1x4,2x2
BB front squats - 1x8,1x15
Leg Press - 2x8, 1x12
Leg Ext - 1x12, 1x15
Standing machine calf raise - 2x10, 4x25
Seated calf raise - 1x10, 2x25
Leg press calf raise - 1x10, 2x25
and this is were I usually go home but sometimes when I know I'll miss my scheduled hams/upper and lower back/shoulder day I'll add in deads and ham curls
BB deads - 2x8 traditional
BB split deads - 4x4, 2x2 between legs
seated ham curls - 2x8, 1x12
lying ham curls - 2x12, 1x15 (I h8 this excersise)
I'm fooking done after that
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Originally Posted by Arlecchino
Any time where I am doing max effort good mornings. Most draining (CNS-wise/mentally) workout for me.
Physically, sled dragging where I force my half-crippled middle-aged ass to sprint while pulling the sled.
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LOL!
but thats cool your gym has a sled *jealous*
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20 pull ups
30 push up
40 sit ups
50 air squats
30 Power Clean and Jerks @ 135
20 pull ups
30 push up
40 sit ups
50 air squats
Time: 17:24
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Originally Posted by CaptMcClain
LOL!
but thats cool your gym has a sled *jealous*
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What's funny about that? Best is 550x3. Hardest part is making the mental adjustment from "I hope I don't sh!t my spine" to "I own this."
And we have six sleds. I am a big believer in sled dragging for variety of purposes, but mostly conditioning. However, if you want one, they are pretty easy to improvise with an old tire. Put plywood in the bottom, and tie a rope around the tire. Pile weight on the plywood.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dedicatedforlife
20 pull ups
30 push up
40 sit ups
50 air squats
30 Power Clean and Jerks @ 135
20 pull ups
30 push up
40 sit ups
50 air squats
Time: 17:24
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thinking about this made me puke, not so much the workout but the time
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Originally Posted by Arlecchino
What's funny about that? Best is 550x3. Hardest part is making the mental adjustment from "I hope I don't sh!t my spine" to "I own this."
And we have six sleds. I am a big believer in sled dragging for variety of purposes, but mostly conditioning. However, if you want one, they are pretty easy to improvise with an old tire. Put plywood in the bottom, and tie a rope around the tire. Pile weight on the plywood.
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thats a loaded question, I dont wanna be banned
I have a homeade harness that I pull my suv in
sometimes I push it, its a pain to get a spot (driver) though lol
but if my gym had sleds that would be uber convinent for me
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Originally Posted by Dedicatedforlife
I gotta do some sled dragging. Do you do any tire flipping? I love doing those till I drop
That's a good one, I'll give that a shot in 2 days
'Cindy' is kind of in the same boat.
5 Pull ups
10 pushups
15 air squats
Do as many rounds as you can in 20min. I'm up to 18.
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Dedicated,
Have you done G.I.Jane yet?
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This one was hard
500m Row in 1:23.1..then...
400m Bag run*
400m 2 pod (74lb) kettle bell farmers walk
400m Slosh Pipe in Zercher Position run**
400m Bag run
Time = 22:45
* Bag = Boxing Bag (~100lbs)
**Slosh Pipe = Long PVC Pipe with water inside (~45lbs). This run was all about balance as the water moves around from end to end.
Few pics...did this with the girlfriend, she did 65lb over head barbells instead of the slosh pipe
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Originally Posted by muruku
Dedicated,
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Yeah last time I did it in 18:58...fawken hard! I use a 12 foot bar for it and you get dizzy as hell during that one!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMcClain
thats a loaded question, I dont wanna be banned
I have a homeade harness that I pull my suv in
sometimes I push it, its a pain to get a spot (driver) though lol
but if my gym had sleds that would be uber convinent for me
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You must have never heard of Westside or anything.
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Wow Pete, that looks like a crazy workout. I never had a crazy workout but I had a crazy routine. The Serge Nubret routine is just insane and I love it!
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Deadlifts: (my pr was at the time 115kgx5)
I started on 110kg. Did 3 reps, took a 20sec break. And repeated. When i felt i would not be able to get the 3 reps, i lowered 10kgs. And thats how i kept doing it. For 7minutes. When done with my last set, i was down to 70kg. Was laying on the floor and couldnt really get up in about 5mins. Pretty much looked like this
110kgx3
20s rest
110x3
20s rest
110x3
20s rest
100x3
20s rest
100x3
20s
90x3
20s
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dedicatedforlife
Yeah last time I did it in 18:58...fawken hard! I use a 12 foot bar for it and you get dizzy as hell during that one!
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Damn.. nice time. My best is approx 25mins.
Yea its crazy, especially once fatigue sets in and your palms are sweaty
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Here are my hardest routines for Hand/Wrist/ and Forearms
Grip & Forearm Training is one of my favorite Workouts...You have to be careful and really listen to your body though as the muscles and tendons involved are extrememly small and can be overtrained very easily; These two workouts have been extremely successful over the past couple years
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Workout #1
Side Levers (3" thick PVC Pipe with weight fitted at 1 side) or a sledgehammer
3 Sets 12 Reps
Front Levers
3 Sets 12 Reps
Plate Wrist Curls (Try using 2 plates flush side out for the width)
3 Sets 10-12 Reps
Reverse Curls (Thumbs out)
Side Hammers (Thumbs out)
Front Hammers
Standing barbell wrist curls in front
Reverse Wrist Curls
^^^3 Sets 6-8 Reps^^^
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Workout #2
(1 1/4" thick Rope, 10' long, hooked to a pulley at lowest level with you seated on the floor, 10' back from the pully) Work the rope in slowly and back slowly raising and lowering the stack of weights...never letting the weights touch...
Rope Pulls elbows out, hand over hand, palms down
Rope Pulls elbows touching, palms facing each other
Rope Pulls elbows out, hand over hand, palms up
5 Sets x 5 Reps
This would be considered elbows out, palms up
Plate Pinch (Use Min 3 plates for the width)
Plate Toss
DB Toss (Silver DB's standing on end)
^^^Super Set these two running 4 sets 15 reps each hand^^^
Rope Pull-Ups or Towel Push-ups
3 Sets 10 Reps
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Every so often I will throw in Captain of Crush Grippers, maybe once every 10 days..
Slow and controled Reps...you are not trying to get 100 reps from any grippers...this will result in an injury...
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You can effectively hit the forearms by training hands and wrist also. I find that is the only way to strengthen and grow the entire forearm...Ensure to only train hand and wrist once every 4 days to begin with until you can handle it or you will find yourself overtraining...I directly and indirectly train my forearms everyday...Using ropes is an ideal way of tackling all of these areas with great results especially your grip strength
You can also do Steak Knife Push-Ups. These are really hard but hit forearms, hand, wrist, and triceps very intensley.
Grab a chair at your house, preferably with round legs, place it in front of you, assume the push-up position and place your hands 6" up the legs, now attempt a push-up...this takes awhile to conquer...but once you can get some reps you will want to keep doing them
MY NEW FAVORITE FOREARM EXERCISE
Standing Rolling Thunder Wrist Curls
Grab a rolling thunder,

Hook it to a cable machine with the stack at the top...pull the rolling thunder down into your chest and hold your elbow steady with your opposite hand...now proceed with your wrist curls
Some grip training you can do at home
1. Fill a bucket full of sand...put 1 hand in and turn the sand in a clockwise fasion, then reverse....
2. Take two towels in the bathtub and soak them...then wring them both out at the same time working from top to bottom.
3. Steak Knife Push-ups...place two chairs in front of you which of rounded legs (not squared) get into the push up position with the two chairs side by side in front of you....(so you can grab the two outter legs with your hands)...place your hands on the outer legs roughly 6" up from the ground....begin your push-ups...(THESE ARE EXTREMEMLY HARD)
4. Flat board chin-ups, If you have stairs in your house, hang off the floor the is above the stairwell opeing with your fingers straight out for pullups
5. Hang a rope from a tree in your back yard, if no trees, use your patio...try climbing rope for sets...
6. By a small peice of a plank used on staging at the hardware store...start using a screwdriver and some screws and turn the screws in to the board and out for sets....
7. Sledgehammer lever lifts...using a sledge, place your arm on your leg and rotate the head of the hammer from one side to the other SLOWLY for each hand...the farther out the head, the more tension on your hand and wrist..I stress the word SLOWLY
These should work fine without any equipment
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Armbender
Here are my hardest routines for Hand/Wrist/ and Forearms
Grip & Forearm Training is one of my favorite Workouts...You have to be careful and really listen to your body though as the muscles and tendons involved are extrememly small and can be overtrained very easily; These two workouts have been extremely successful over the past couple years
__________________________________________________ _______________________________
Workout #1
Side Levers (3" thick PVC Pipe with weight fitted at 1 side) or a sledgehammer
3 Sets 12 Reps
Front Levers
3 Sets 12 Reps
Plate Wrist Curls (Try using 2 plates flush side out for the width)
3 Sets 10-12 Reps
Reverse Curls (Thumbs out)
Side Hammers (Thumbs out)
Front Hammers
Standing barbell wrist curls in front
Reverse Wrist Curls
^^^3 Sets 6-8 Reps^^^
__________________________________________________ _______________________________
Workout #2
(1 1/4" thick Rope, 10' long, hooked to a pulley at lowest level with you seated on the floor, 10' back from the pully) Work the rope in slowly and back slowly raising and lowering the stack of weights...never letting the weights touch...
Rope Pulls elbows out, hand over hand, palms down
Rope Pulls elbows touching, palms facing each other
Rope Pulls elbows out, hand over hand, palms up
5 Sets x 5 Reps
This would be considered elbows out, palms up
Plate Pinch (Use Min 3 plates for the width)
Plate Toss
DB Toss (Silver DB's standing on end)
^^^Super Set these two running 4 sets 15 reps each hand^^^
Rope Pull-Ups or Towel Push-ups
3 Sets 10 Reps
__________________________________________________ _______________________________
Every so often I will throw in Captain of Crush Grippers, maybe once every 10 days..
Slow and controled Reps...you are not trying to get 100 reps from any grippers...this will result in an injury...
__________________________________________________ __________________________
You can effectively hit the forearms by training hands and wrist also. I find that is the only way to strengthen and grow the entire forearm...Ensure to only train hand and wrist once every 4 days to begin with until you can handle it or you will find yourself overtraining...I directly and indirectly train my forearms everyday...Using ropes is an ideal way of tackling all of these areas with great results especially your grip strength
You can also do Steak Knife Push-Ups. These are really hard but hit forearms, hand, wrist, and triceps very intensley.
Grab a chair at your house, preferably with round legs, place it in front of you, assume the push-up position and place your hands 6" up the legs, now attempt a push-up...this takes awhile to conquer...but once you can get some reps you will want to keep doing them
MY NEW FAVORITE FOREARM EXERCISE
Standing Rolling Thunder Wrist Curls
Grab a rolling thunder,

Hook it to a cable machine with the stack at the top...pull the rolling thunder down into your chest and hold your elbow steady with your opposite hand...now proceed with your wrist curls
Some grip training you can do at home
1. Fill a bucket full of sand...put 1 hand in and turn the sand in a clockwise fasion, then reverse....
2. Take two towels in the bathtub and soak them...then wring them both out at the same time working from top to bottom.
3. Steak Knife Push-ups...place two chairs in front of you which of rounded legs (not squared) get into the push up position with the two chairs side by side in front of you....(so you can grab the two outter legs with your hands)...place your hands on the outer legs roughly 6" up from the ground....begin your push-ups...(THESE ARE EXTREMEMLY HARD)
4. Flat board chin-ups, If you have stairs in your house, hang off the floor the is above the stairwell opeing with your fingers straight out for pullups
5. Hang a rope from a tree in your back yard, if no trees, use your patio...try climbing rope for sets...
6. By a small peice of a plank used on staging at the hardware store...start using a screwdriver and some screws and turn the screws in to the board and out for sets....
7. Sledgehammer lever lifts...using a sledge, place your arm on your leg and rotate the head of the hammer from one side to the other SLOWLY for each hand...the farther out the head, the more tension on your hand and wrist..I stress the word SLOWLY
These should work fine without any equipment
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Damn.. nice time. My best is approx 25mins.
Yea its crazy, especially once fatigue sets in and your palms are sweaty
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Palms are sweaty? More like bloody after a certain point LOL
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11-10-2009, 11:39 PM
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500m Row in 1:23.1..then...
400m Bag run*
400m 2 pod (74lb) kettle bell farmers walk
400m Slosh Pipe in Zercher Position run**
400m Bag run
Time = 22:45
* Bag = Boxing Bag (~100lbs)
**Slosh Pipe = Long PVC Pipe with water inside (~45lbs). This run was all about balance as the water moves around from end to end.
Few pics...did this with the girlfriend, she did 65lb over head barbells instead of the slosh pipe

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I want your slosh pipe (no homo)
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11-10-2009, 11:49 PM
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I want your slosh pipe (no homo) 
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It's a fun pipe
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11-12-2009, 07:52 AM
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15 deads @ 135
15 pushups
10 rounds
12:35
Good amount of work done....good workout to try if you haven't done any crossfit.
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11-12-2009, 07:56 AM
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15 deads @ 135
15 pushups
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12:35
Good amount of work done....good workout to try if you haven't done any crossfit.
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I can't stand the crossfitters here. They take up 1/2 the gym with random crap.
That's why I work out at 4:30 am. They're too lazy to get up that early.
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11-12-2009, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 40-Yard Dash_2
I can't stand the crossfitters here. They take up 1/2 the gym with random crap.
That's why I work out at 4:30 am. They're too lazy to get up that early. 
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IMO Crossfit should not be done in a regular gym, just in warehouse/garages opened up specifically for it. Hence the reason I never get complaints
However I do it sometimes at my university gym...but because I'm one of the bigger dudes in the university people stay the fawk out of my way
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11-12-2009, 08:30 AM
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I rest my case, so therefore your opinion on heavy good mornings is invalid
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