then i need to prep for the show and tan and all that **** should be over $500 :O
Yeah costs a bit competing...end of the day is..if you dont like the sport it will feel like paying for nothing but its one hell of a experiance though.
sponsor comes handy...its saved me alot of $$$
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Yeah costs a bit competing...end of the day is..if you dont like the sport it will feel like paying for nothing but its one hell of a experiance though.
sponsor comes handy...its saved me alot of $$$
who sponsors you?
yea if i could get protein sponsors like whey chicken beef etc that would be good
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Wow, thats quite a shocking transformation, obviously he had a great base to start with, but its amazing how much mass he put on, if you scroll up and down a few times, he looks so skinny in the first pic lol...
Anybody that think kai was natural in 1999, needs to have their head reexamined. No offense.
kai greenes transformation was incredible. he either really was natural or he was taking very low dosages and when he got into the ifbb and upped them he blew up insane. 50lb in jsut shy of 3 years holy ****...
that would get me into the 202 class at the olympia lol
A lot of pros gained that much in 3 years. Look at Ronnie coleman. That weight gain could be due to knowing to administer the proper dosages, stacking, and mixing insulin use.
we need more natural bodybuilders being sponsered by supplement companies i feel that would validate them more then having dudes who use roids marketing there products. its just weird.
well think of it this way... how the hell did he gain 50 pounds in 2 years.. what just take more ****, heavier ****?
he probably added year round GH+slin, and he started staying on AAS year round as well.
the first pic is something a person with great genetics can acheive with "normal" cycling (2-3 cycles a year, not insane amounts, etc), the 2nd is what adding gh+slin and staying on year round will produce.
what is the most money to be made in a WNBF event?
what are the chances of getting sponsored natty?
win the overall at worlds: 6k
getting sponsored natty: I'm sponsored, I don't get supps but hell I'm not even a pro!
and prize money is going up steadily in the natty pro ranks...but one certainly doesnt compete in natty or non natty bbing for money lol, even in the IFBB guys don't make money unless they are like top 10 olympia material unless they have really good sponsorships...but remember...the expenses an IFBB level bodybuilder spends on "supps" is a lot more than a natty pro
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win the overall at worlds: 6k
getting sponsored natty: I'm sponsored, I don't get supps but hell I'm not even a pro!
and prize money is going up steadily in the natty pro ranks...but one certainly doesnt compete in natty or non natty bbing for money lol, even in the IFBB guys don't make money unless they are like top 10 olympia material unless they have really good sponsorships...but remember...the expenses an IFBB level bodybuilder spends on "supps" is a lot more than a natty pro
yeah thats certainly true! so what does your sponsership get u if u done get supps?
You contradict yourself right here. If you try and reach your natural limit like everybody else says, you would be 30 years old by the time you started to use gear. Then, by the time you started to accumulate any major gains, you'd be 40 years old and your life would be over.
Too little, too late.
Hmmm.... I was almost 40 before I ever began doing any kind of structured weighlifting and have been 100% natural thus far. I would estimate that I've gained perhaps 20 lbs of muscle in the past 4.5 years. My take is that the act of lifting 'heavy' weights causes the body to produce testosterone. Although I just finished a 6 week phase of trying to lean out and feel at a crossroads right now.
Regardless, IFBB pros and people who may take AAS and develop fantastic physiques have my eternal respect.
Okay, fair enough. Some naturals take it too far and come out with bull****. I'll accept that. But what about the people supporting steroids?
"You still gotta work hard for those gains"
Err, no you don't. I know a bunch of idiots in my gym using, who have gotten shockingly big. They go into the back room to shove a needle in their arse. Yeah, that's hard isn't it? And seriously, these guys have the worst form imaginable, and i'd take a wild guess that their nutrition is nothing to shout about.
It might be very hard work to make it as a pro. But to get big and have a decent body when using, it's not hard. That's why people moan, and that's why people make an issue about it.
Too many people want to get big too soon. It does piss me off. But that's the choice they've made.
Naturals deserve respect because they believe in their genetic potential. They see steroids as a step too far. They deserve the upmost respect for standing up for what they believe in. Some people want to look into the eyes of others and proudly say 'yeah, i'm natural'.
I know I do.
Agrred, I'm a natural also...but nobody belives me..not that i care much...i enjoy the process of improving my phisique..atleast it wont shrivel to nothing...like this average users do...and i plan to lift for as long possible...repped by the way...
For sure...IMO i think you appreciate your gains more when you worked your ass for it...
I've seen a few users who once they get their gains their satisfied and just drop away and lose what they worked for.
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for me its about breaking barriers and doing the things that people say cant be done naturally.
I create new goals all the time (see sig)
Its about being natural and not having to worry about what "x" is going to do to me in the long run. For me its personal achievements and I truly want to see what I am capable of doing naturally. I came close to wanting to use when I had my 2 bilateral ruptures of my patellar tendons. My quads atrophied, I had a hard time walking and still have a hard time running full speed, but I see it as another personal challenge.
My last surgery was Sept 5, 2009, which made 4 surgeries. Today I did 42 flights on the stairclimber, monday I inclined pressed 385lbs for 2 reps.
People say Natural bodybuilding cant take off, well the IFBB isnt where it use to be. Im a fan of bodybuilding, natural or otherwise, Im a fan of physical fitness and breaking physical barriers. If you can do 40 pullups, im amazed, if you can run in a super marathon/ultra marathon (50-100 miles) im impressed, for me its about demolishing the misconceptions of what the human body can not accomplish naturally.
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new goal: do dips and pullups with 260lbs. Incline bench 225lbs for 40+ reps. Increase leg strength
i dont even see the point of living a bodybuilding style unless your goal is to not look natural... and if that is your goal then eventually you will not be natural.
Nonsense!
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yeah thats certainly true! so what does your sponsership get u if u done get supps?
sorry that was a typo....I meant I don't get paid, I just get supps
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"you have to work too hard for too long to get mass gains. and then when you hit your 30's your test drops...
"natural bodybuilding is a great life sport however it can never really ammount to anything close to an ifbb pro unfortunatly...
^^^ your 100% correct as far as money is concerned but it's not about making money, or getting fans to them.
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"take this video for example... ( extreem natural bodybuilding ) its pretty pathetic though. people act like they are doing the world a justice by staying natural. "
there not doing the world justice but I have a lot of respect for them if that's the route they wanna go. Everyone here should know how hard it is to put muscle on the human body without any enhancers. let's face it, it's extremely hard and a little frustrating when you want your ideal physique and you can never quite get there fast enough (or get there at all). It's marathon bodybuilding. the satisfaction comes from knowing that they earned evey once of muscle that they have. It doesn't matter if everyone around them thinks their small, or weak, or wasting their time. it only matters how they look at themselves (and how you look at yourself). There's a great deal of satisfaction in natural bodybuilding when it comes to that.
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the point of this thread is to express how much it pisses me off that people think they are at the peak of their genetics because they are natural even though they are no where near thier natural limits..."
^^^ that's def debateable. I personally believe the human body has huge limitations when it comes to being natural but it's subjective and others may not think so.
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but yes doesnt it piss you off when people say **** like " professional bodybuilder muscles are fake"
and " they dont even work hard"
and "natural looks so much better"
I don't post here often because I feel sometime trying to have a serous debate is a lost cause around here sometimes but naturals are just gonna try and justify their opinions as are the juicers.
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for me its about breaking barriers and doing the things that people say cant be done naturally.
I create new goals all the time (see sig)
Its about being natural and not having to worry about what "x" is going to do to me in the long run. For me its personal achievements and I truly want to see what I am capable of doing naturally. I came close to wanting to use when I had my 2 bilateral ruptures of my patellar tendons. My quads atrophied, I had a hard time walking and still have a hard time running full speed, but I see it as another personal challenge.
My last surgery was Sept 5, 2009, which made 4 surgeries. Today I did 42 flights on the stairclimber, monday I inclined pressed 385lbs for 2 reps.
People say Natural bodybuilding cant take off, well the IFBB isnt where it use to be. Im a fan of bodybuilding, natural or otherwise, Im a fan of physical fitness and breaking physical barriers. If you can do 40 pullups, im amazed, if you can run in a super marathon/ultra marathon (50-100 miles) im impressed, for me its about demolishing the misconceptions of what the human body can not accomplish naturally.
good for you bro. If someone comes in the gym and shows respect towards me and is general a nice person, I can care less about what's being put in them for whatever reasons.
yea if i could get protein sponsors like whey chicken beef etc that would be good
The person who sponsors me is this bloke who got me into competing when i walked into his store and said i should do it..long story short i was telling him its costs alot so he offered to sponsor me..and there she wrote...
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you have to work too hard for too long to get mass gains. and then when you hit your 30's your test drops...
natural bodybuilding is a great life sport however it can never really ammount to anything close to an ifbb pro unfortunatly...
take this video for example... ( extreem natural bodybuilding ) its pretty pathetic though. people act like they are doing the world a justice by staying natural.
the point of this thread is to express how much it pisses me off that people think they are at the peak of their genetics because they are natural even though they are no where near thier natural limits...
MOST guys that use stuff are proabably at this guys level...
That is rubbish results are determined by work .I will compete in the ifbb nsw state titles naturally .I think kai greene may have done at least his first pro show naturally.The reality is if you want to be a pro that makes money .you need to be good enough to win the aussie pro card naturally
yea if i could get protein sponsors like whey chicken beef etc that would be good
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why do you need a sponsor .At the most you need 170-220 g protein .300g chicken breast at lunch and 300g steak for tea and your at 120g of protein already.Yes you wont get it for free but you can do it if you believe in yourself.
I bet you could weigh 200lbs in 6 months if you only knew what it really takes.
the point of this thread is to express how much it pisses me off that people think they are at the peak of their genetics because they are natural even though they are no where near thier natural limits...
but yes doesnt it piss you off when people say **** like " professional bodybuilder muscles are fake"
and " they dont even work hard"
and "natural looks so much better"
To be fair, this video doesn't do natural bodybuilders justice. They are no where near the size of some of the best.
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we need more natural bodybuilders being sponsered by supplement companies i feel that would validate them more then having dudes who use roids marketing there products. its just weird.
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For sure...IMO i think you appreciate your gains more when you worked your ass for it...
I've seen a few users who once they get their gains their satisfied and just drop away and lose what they worked for.
Yes, seems like many "enhanced" bb's don't bother training without the juice. Guess they feel they have to work too hard for too little.
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you have to work too hard for too long to get mass gains. and then when you hit your 30's your test drops...
O'rlly?
30's is the bomb for gaining muscle.
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This is what I've been told from a dude who's 38 and has some serious muscle. Now, he doesn't look like a pro BBer but aesthetically he's 'there' and impressive as hell.
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we need more natural bodybuilders being sponsered by supplement companies i feel that would validate them more then having dudes who use roids marketing there products. its just weird.
i think you guys have forgot that ...greene eats for a living ....we have jobs were we have to juggle our food...so i think greene could very well be natural....all they do is eat all day and train
i think you guys have forgot that ...greene eats for a living ....we have jobs were we have to juggle our food...so i think greene could very well be natural....all they do is eat all day and train
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This does not happen just by not working and eating all day:
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