List of all Buy 2 get 1 free supps?

[Mr. Jeff]

Originally Posted by cxm

Keep in mind at the ingredients in Myotest, these are not cheap i.e. I3C, divanil, Epimedium, reservatol, etc.

I am using Myotest as part of a future PCT.

Maybe not, but I shouldn't even be trying to shop for more. Haha. Like I said, I still have a few bottles of Act X/Stoked around. And originally I was only planning on spending $200 or less, now I have over $300 of supplements in my cart.

[ZDub212]

T-BOL and all TL products are 20% off. Check the TL page of bb.com for the discount code

[cxm]

Originally Posted by ZDub212

Well, this product contains doses of several different things:

Divanil
Osthole
Resveratrol
Quercetin
Icarrin
Zinc
I3C

This combines many different ingredients into one product. This is why it's expensive to dose it highly. But if you do 6-9 capsules, it's an excellent product which allows for you to have an all in one product as opposed to having to stack several different "test boosters" together.

Zach hit it on the point, can't do better than this. The only few test boosters I would consider stacking with Myotest is ATD, 6-Bromo or 6-oxo. Blueprint would be a nice alternative as well.

[Mr. Jeff]

Originally Posted by ZDub212

Well, this product contains doses of several different things:

Divanil
Osthole
Resveratrol
Quercetin
Icarrin
Zinc
I3C

This combines many different ingredients into one product. This is why it's expensive to dose it highly. But if you do 6-9 capsules, it's an excellent product which allows for you to have an all in one product as opposed to having to stack several different "test boosters" together.

I'm not familiar with I3C, and Osthole, but everything else looks like it can be found in Act X/Stoked stack. But I see what you're saying, though.

[cxm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jeff

Maybe not, but I shouldn't even be trying to shop for more. Haha. Like I said, I still have a few bottles of Act X/Stoked around. And originally I was only planning on spending $200 or less, now I have over $300 of supplements in my cart.

I understand, I am stuck myself with buying

-Blueprint at least 3 bottles, I hope 6 bottles
-Mitotropin from Gaspari

[Mr. Jeff]

Originally Posted by cxm

Zach hit it on the point, can't do better than this. The only few test boosters I would consider stacking with Myotest is ATD, 6-Bromo or 6-oxo. Blueprint would be a nice alternative as well.

I just noticed you're a S.A.N. rep. Maybe next time, if anything. I'm gonna pick up some BP, interested in seeing how that stacks with Act X or Stoked or maybe even Lean Xtreme.

[cxm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jeff

I'm not familiar with I3C, and Osthole, but everything else looks like it can be found in Act X/Stoked stack. But I see what you're saying, though.

Originally Posted by PCT: A Clinician's View Part II:
Post-Cycle Supplements by dinoiii(Dr. Houser)

Estrogenic Channeling Agents

Indole-3-Carbinol

Only one kind of vegetable interferes with the estrogen pathway and that is a cruciferous vegetable. These get there name from the crosslike stem they all have in common, from broccoli to cauliflower. European women who ate more cabbage had lower breast cancer death rate. Cruciferous vegetables decreased the risk by 40 percent in a Wisconsin study. So, how do they work and why would I include this talk of female breast cancer in a study who?s primary target remains males in the post-cycle time frame?

The secret ingredient is called indole-3-carbinol, which channels the breakdown products of estrogen into far more ?good? estrogen (2-hydroxyestrone) than ?bad? estrogen (16-alpha-hydroxyestrone). As with good and bad cholesterol, you can increase or decrease either amount of estrogen. Indole-3-carbinol can double the amount of good estrogen while decreasing the bad, which the Journal of the National Cancer Institute reported to decrease the amount of ?bad? estrogen thereby subsequently leading to a decrease in breast cancer in Finnish women studied.

The rationale for it being discussed here is one of pure origin, however, similar application can be applied to males in the post-cycle time frame. That is, a decrease in the ?bad? cholesterol remains of utmost importance in both scenarios, while the potential consequence of its existence does not share any similarity.

While 1% of breast cancer is found in males, it is NOT breast cancer prevention that is found to be the largest benefit here. The shunting described above that suggests the favoring of 2-hydroxylation over 16-alpha-hydroxylation may reduce risk of clinically evident prostate cancer (12). This shunting has another effect: it aids the liver?s Phase I and Phase II enzymes allowing a bit more wear and tear from the cycle (especially encouraging news for the C17-alkylated oral users). Oh yeah, gentlemen there is this shunting effect that would also be beneficial in fat deposition or feminizing effects seen in the post cycle time frame.

PCT: A Clinician’s View PART III Post-Cycle Supplements

Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C)

EVIDENCE-BASED EFFICACY: I have written extensively in various posts on my support of this compound versus its DIM metabolite as well as any other compound in the post-cycle realm from the category of ?dietary supplement.? Perhaps the single-most important mechanism of action of I3C is modulating estrogen metabolism. That?s right, tell your friends ? ALL ESTROGEN IS NOT CREATED EQUAL. Estrogen receptors are located on the surface of virtually every type of tissue in the human body. Guys, you too, are not off the hook as this applies to you as well.

The body modifies (metabolizes) estrogens through two mutually exclusive pathways, which lead to compounds with dramatically different biological activities. Estradiol is the primary estrogen in circulation (as the example used above in Diversification Model) and one of the most active. It is metabolized to a number of other chemicals, all with some degree of estrogenic activity.

Key here, are the enzymes 2-hydroxylase and 16-alpha-hydroxylase. Several years ago, scientists hypothesized that a preference towards the 2-hydroxylase pathway and the subsequent generation of 2-hydroxyestrone (2-OHE1), results in less toxic metabolites in the circulation, which was subsequently gone on to support a decreased number of breast cancer outcomes if this were the dominant pathway (later, this proved true for prostate cancer as well). It was also around that same time that the hypothesis of greater estrogenic metabolism via the 16-alpha-hydroxylase enzyme would yield greater amounts of the more potent 16-alpha-hydroxyestrone (16alpha-OHE1) and a larger number of estrogen-dependent cancers would likely be the result.

Summary of ORDET study of 2000 (always nice fancy acronyms)
Participants: 10,000 Italian women
Duration: > 5 years
Measured Items: Diet, other breast cancer risks
Findings: Increased level 2-OHE1:16alpha-OHE1 at beginning of study associated with less risk of breast cancer development.

This simply set precedent, mind you ? although there is a 1% risk for men to develop breast cancer, posting this study is merely the landmark to establish the importance of greater 2-OHE1:16alpha-OHE1 ratios being desired for decreased estrogen-sensitive cancer risk. This is very important information to someone embarking on post-cycle supplementation.

Summary of Prostate Cancer Study
Although there was a failure to achieve statistically significant results in this study, elevated 2-OHE1 urinary levels indicated a decreased risk of prostate cancer, whereas an increased 16alpha-OHE1 urinary level showed an increase of prostate cancer 2-times that of men with the highest levels of 2-OHE1.

I3C modulates these pathways shifting the conversion of estradiol metabolism to favor the 2-hydroxylase pathway and the subsequent 2-OHE1:16alpha-OHE1 ratio is INCREASED, which correlates with a decreased risk of various estrogen-sensitive cancers. A potential caveat worth further exploration is the increase in production of yet another estrogen exhibited by some studies (4-hydroxyestrone ? this is very potent). These increases were NOT significant, however, and as you will see and have seen in my various posts, are put out by people with vested interest in other products. There are multitudes of studies that actually show a concurrent DECREASE in 4-OHE1, so the mixed results tend to leave me questioning those trying to prove their various products superior. Catch my drift?

In addition, and certainly not something studied, but the data seems to suggest shifts from the more potent (2-OHE1) to less potent (16alpha-OHE1) in a time when there is the potential for increased conversion (and this goes out to all of my aromatase-inhibitor-loving friends) ? namely, during the post-cycle period would also contribute to a shift in dose-response curves to the right (and that is for my pharmacologically-inclined friends). We?ll see in the pharmaceutic exploration (parts IV + V) that this is NOT the entire picture ? unfortunately, I can only address these items one by one in a certain time allotment.

FORMS & DOSAGES: 200mg to as high as 400mg has been studied and based on available evidence, this is what I would be hard-pressed not to suggest at this time. There is no upper-limit established, but even while in the post-cycle realm, I would beg you to adhere to a max of 400mg per day as this is simply what has been supported to date.

POTENTIAL SIDE EFFECTS / INTERACTIONS: Although it may seem obvious that a substance consumed over 1000s of years by millions worldwide is inherently safe, it has been challenged recently by those with vested interest in its metabolite DIM. I have expressed my concern at the challenges DIM supporters have offered and it is just plain bad science. Numerous cell culture, animal, and human studies have demonstrated I3C?s safety and tolerability, along with its targeted ability to SUPPRESS estrogen-receptor-sensitive (breast, cervical, and important for this discussion ? prostate) cancer growth (sorry Dr. Z), and induce programmed cell death in a variety of tumors, including those associated with breast, prostate, endometrial, leukemia, and colon cancers.

As an aside, the cytochrome P450 enzymatic system discussed above in the AT / ATD section within both the liver and intestinal track is actually STRENGTHENED by use of I3C ? something that could prove especially beneficial to C17 alkylated users.

CAUTION: Be careful of ?research? supporting concurrent use of DIM ? usual vested interest is a hand-in-hand with the funding of such studies.

http://www.leanbulk.com/forum/pct-cl...ts-theory.html

[Mr. Jeff]

Originally Posted by cxm

I understand, I am stuck myself with buying

-Blueprint at least 3 bottles, I hope 6 bottles
-Mitotropin from Gaspari

I should stop talking to you. You're making me wanna buy more stuff. Now I'm thinking maybe I should pick up 6 bottles of BP or maybe some Mitotropin.

[cxm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jeff

I just noticed you're a S.A.N. rep. Maybe next time, if anything. I'm gonna pick up some BP, interested in seeing how that stacks with Act X or Stoked or maybe even Lean Xtreme.

And also notice how I pimp Blueprint and this is a MAN supplement product.

[cxm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jeff

I should stop talking to you. You're making me wanna buy more stuff. Now I'm thinking maybe I should pick up 6 bottles of BP or maybe some Mitotropin.

I only support or recommend products I have taken and still purchase. There are very few products that work and even after great feedback, sometimes it might not work for everyone.

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jeff

I'm not familiar with I3C, and Osthole, but everything else looks like it can be found in Act X/Stoked stack. But I see what you're saying, though.

You can. But check this out:

ActX = $38
Stoked = $42

Total = $80 for a 30 day supply.

MyoTest = $60 for a 30-45 day supply.

[olazabal]

nothing worth buying

[Mr. Jeff]

Originally Posted by cxm

I only support or recommend products I have taken and still purchase. There are very few products that work and even after great feedback, sometimes it might not work for everyone.

Hmmm, I could buy 6 bottles of blueprint, and return it if it doesn't work out, I guess... We'll see...

Originally Posted by ZDub212

You can. But check this out:

ActX = $38
Stoked = $42

Total = $80 for a 30 day supply.

MyoTest = $60 for a 30-45 day supply.

Yeah, but I picked up 12 bottles of Act X/Stoked during the previous B2G1F deal. Haha!

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by olazabal

nothing worth buying

Serious?

Scorch, Mitrotropin, MyoTest, Blue Print, VPX NO Synthesize are simply not worth buying? You've used all of these and can say that they're all worthless?

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jeff

Hmmm, I could buy 6 bottles of blueprint, and return it if it doesn't work out, I guess... We'll see...



Yeah, but I picked up 12 bottles of Act X/Stoked during the previous B2G1F deal. Haha!

Just get three. If you don't like it, problem solved!

Wow. I have several MyoTest if you ever want to trade

[cxm]

Originally Posted by ZDub212

Just get three. If you don't like it, problem solved!

Wow. I have several MyoTest is you ever want to trade

I think both of you have a lot in common....

[getbig1212]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jeff

Good looking out, dude. **** that ****, definitely not gonna buy it now.

Good as Mass FX? I heard Act X is better than Mass FX, lost of interest now.

lol it actually has a very good profile, way bettter than mass FX. Zdub already explained it.

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by cxm

I think both of you have a lot in common....

Yo, I got 17 bottles of MyoTest...ya dig?

[TinyMan]

Originally Posted by ZDub212

Yo, I got 17 bottles of MyoTest...ya dig?

Dare I ask how that one happened?

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by TinyMan

Dare I ask how that one happened?

I purchased 3 of the Buy 2 Get 1 Free and traded for the rest.

[TinyMan]

Originally Posted by ZDub212

I purchased 3 of the Buy 2 Get 1 Free and traded for the rest.

I guess that would do it. On the plus side, you won't need anything for a while. Unless you get side effects

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by TinyMan

I guess that would do it. On the plus side, you won't need anything for a while. Unless you get side effects

Last thing I'm worried about is sides...that's why I'm not set on going the PH/DS route and am trading them away.

MyoTest for the win!