Saudi Arabian court upheld a sentence to behead and then crucify a 22-year-old man

[stateless]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

Do you honestly think someone would be dumb enough to rape, kill, steal or cheat with the punishments of shari'ah? Yes some may take the risk, but most won't. On the other hand in the US a rapist can go free and rape again.

I honestly don't think that most people commiting such crimes give much consideration to the consequences, either of the victim, or to themselves via the law. However I harp back to a comment made by consevrative MP Anne Widdecombe on the topic of capital punishment. Someone objecting to it stated that killing a person who commits heinous crimes will not reduce the frequency at which they occur.

Her reply. "well, it will reduce it by one". .

[a_ahmed]

well westerners may disagree, but its your countries that are overflowing with rapes and random crimes

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

well westerners may disagree, but its your countries that are overflowing with rapes and random crimes

Did you even bother to read what was wrong with what you're saying about rape?

[hvillpimp524]

In b4 liberal assclowns.

This is the one thing I can actually agree on with Saudi Arabia. Nice punishment for this prick, they should bring that to the states. Pedophiles disgust me.

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by hvillpimp524

In b4 liberal assclowns.

This is the one thing I can actually agree on with Saudi Arabia. Nice punishment for this prick, they should bring that to the states. Pedophiles disgust me.

Of course they do, but killing them requires you to accept killing innocent Americans.

[NotStandingBy]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

well westerners may disagree, but its your countries that are overflowing with rapes and random crimes

Originally Posted by hooked4life

Did you even bother to read what was wrong with what you're saying about rape?

No he's right. I read the first paragraph (actually I read the whole thing) in the first link. It still doesn't disprove what he has said. US has a ****load of rapists because people aren't afraid to take advantage of women/children. I have been stalked irl, you really have no idea how scary that is (let alone actually being raped).

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by NotStandingBy

No he's right. I read the first paragraph (actually I read the whole thing) in the first link. It still doesn't disprove what he has said. US has a ****load of rapists because people aren't afraid to take advantage of women/children. I have been stalked irl, you really have no idea how scary that is (let alone actually being raped).

"Statistics on rape are common in western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. They are, however, highly politicized, often sex biased, and have been accused of being unreliable because they are so diverse and are used by different groups for different reasons. This is partly because of inconsistent definitions of rape in both legislative and academic studies. However, it is also because of over reporting, under reporting and false reporting of the crime. In the United States rape is defined differently by separate states. In many legislatures in the world some non-consensual sexual acts are not defined as rape at all. They may be considered legal, or as an illegal form of sexual assault. In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape considered rape while in others male-male, female-male or female-female rape may also be included as a legal form of rape.[1] Rape of children is rarely reported in official reports. Nor is the rape of children by their mothers and fathers or other relations represented in official publications. Rape, alone among other major crimes, suffers from severe definitional contradictions that create controversial statistical disparities.

These factors lead to accusations that all rape statistics are unreliable. For example, male-female rape in particular is a highly politicized issue, leading to the polemical use of questionable statistics.[2] According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than has rape.[3]"

I know you have a fetish for trying to contradict everything I say, but seriously, just read and think for a minute for you start up.

And strong assumptions on your part about what I do and don't know anything about.

[NotStandingBy]

Originally Posted by hooked4life

I know you have a fetish for trying to contradict everything I say, but seriously, just read and think for a minute for you start up.

And strong assumptions on your part about what I do and don't know anything about.

Ugh, what you posted does NOT disprove the statistics he gave you. Alright?

And I highly doubt a male gets stalked/raped. I mean I know it does happen, but the % is going to be like under 1%. It's just not likely.

Edit: If I could tell every guys to not touch me in this world, I would. Don't. Touch. Me. Seriously.

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by NotStandingBy

Ugh, what you posted does NOT disprove the statistics he gave you. Alright?

It proves REPORTED instances of rape as defined by the society.

For instance, in Saudi Arabia a man can not rape his wife. Got it? In America you can. See where this is going? The list of such examples goes on and on.

Now - add on to that the biggest problem with rape laws. Blaming the victim and a fear of coming forward.

Do this 'Saudi Arabia rape laws' in Google. What you're going to find is women who got gang raped getting a potentially lethal number of lashes, women who got raped being jailed, women who got raped being forced to divorce their husbands, woman who who got raped being forever unable to marry ...

So really now, which society is going to have more woman come forward and go to court when they get raped? Yeah ... I can't believe you're trying to contradict me on this. It's ****ing barbaric. Obviously fewer woman are going to report being raped in a place like that than America or Finland or whatever the higher rape 'rates' are.

What's the wiki article proves is that the % numbers are completely meaningless.

[NotStandingBy]

Originally Posted by hooked4life

...

Why would the wiki put up statistics then if the defining laws are different?

I'm sure those numbers are confirmed at least? Yes? I'm seriously not sure wiki community (the great many people who scrutinize the details) would allow differing/contradicting statistics like that to be put up.

Either way you look at it, it still means that the rape numbers should be higher simply because of unreported case. Like I never reported the stalker to the police when I probably should have.

[hvillpimp524]

Originally Posted by NotStandingBy

Why would the wiki put up statistics then if the defining laws are different?

I'm sure those numbers are confirmed at least? Yes? I'm seriously not sure wiki community (the great many people who scrutinize the details) would allow differing/contradicting statistics like that to be put up.

Either way you look at it, it still means that the rape numbers should be higher simply because of unreported case. Like I never reported the stalker to the police when I probably should have.

I like your sig lol

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by NotStandingBy

Why would the wiki put up statistics then if the defining laws are different?

I'm sure those numbers are confirmed at least? Yes? I'm seriously not sure wiki community (the great many people who scrutinize the details) would allow differing/contradicting statistics like that to be put up.

Either way you look at it, it still means that the rape numbers should be higher simply because of unreported case. Like I never reported the stalker to the police when I probably should have.

The wiki article says how unreliable the stats are because of different definitions of rape and under/over reporting problems in the first four sentences.

And no, it doesn't necessary mean the true numbers are higher than they actually are reported. It means we don't know. What I can absolutely guarantee you is under the same legal definitions of rape seen in the United States (even though we don't have anything near a 'definition' of rape, as it varies from state to state) Saudi Arabia has a LOT more rapes than that official reported number.

[ONtop888]

Originally Posted by makavelli1988

(Sources: Bloomberg, 03/11/2009)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aRjLb58EzQ9A

Discuss. Justified? immoral?

No need to use cruelty, just terminate him, his suffering in the next life will far surpass this.

[An hero]

Originally Posted by hooked4life

It proves REPORTED instances of rape as defined by the society.

For instance, in Saudi Arabia a man can not rape his wife. Got it? In America you can. See where this is going? The list of such examples goes on and on.

Now - add on to that the biggest problem with rape laws. Blaming the victim and a fear of coming forward.

Do this 'Saudi Arabia rape laws' in Google. What you're going to find is women who got gang raped getting a potentially lethal number of lashes, women who got raped being jailed, women who got raped being forced to divorce their husbands, woman who who got raped being forever unable to marry ...

So really now, which society is going to have more woman come forward and go to court when they get raped? Yeah ... I can't believe you're trying to contradict me on this. It's ****ing barbaric. Obviously fewer woman are going to report being raped in a place like that than America or Finland or whatever the higher rape 'rates' are.

What's the wiki article proves is that the % numbers are completely meaningless.

Originally Posted by hooked4life

The wiki article says how unreliable the stats are because of different definitions of rape and under/over reporting problems in the first four sentences.

And no, it doesn't necessary mean the true numbers are higher than they actually are reported. It means we don't know. What I can absolutely guarantee you is under the same legal definitions of rape seen in the United States (even though we don't have anything near a 'definition' of rape, as it varies from state to state) Saudi Arabia has a LOT more rapes than that official reported number.

lmao, complete ownage

[Weightaholic]

Bit redundant, crucifying someone after heheading them.

[tts0lid]

Originally Posted by Weightaholic

Bit redundant, crucifying someone after heheading them.

i guess the crucification is for show.

if any of you are interested in the execution per capita rankings by country:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ons-per-capita

the U.S. is right behind afghanistan and cuba in executions per capita. ahead of countries like syria, sudan, pakistan, and pretty far behind saudi arabia and iran.