what goes wrong in a marriage?

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Originally Posted by BankWalker

If you're not a believer ..stop reading now so that you won't be offended.( God forbid I offend someone) The reason marriages are failing is that satan is completely attacking families. The ONLY way he can get to the kids is to destroy the marriage. ( repped by all believers)

I certainly wouldn't say that it's the only way to get to the kids......... but it sure does help.

Originally Posted by KimberleyRN

Well, spiritual warfare is in society all over the place... why should it stop at the threshold of our homes?

I have noticed that it seems Christian families are being tested at a very strong level now. So many temptations out there and it is easy to get 'distracted'...

Being aware of this issue is really part of the armour to defending against it.

We are all weak and prone to our selfish sin natures. That is just a recipe for disaster.

The man who was our Biblical Counseling Instructor said 'You put two sinners together, and expect them to live 'happily ever after'... what is wrong with that scenario?'

Trouble is we're all sinners.........

[KimberleyRN]

Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter

I certainly wouldn't say that it's the only way to get to the kids......... but it sure does help.



Trouble is we're all sinners.........

Yes, but we KNOW we are sinners... so, there is hope.

I KNOW I am depraved. I know that I need to focus on my family. I understand my weaknesses and how my sin nature causes me to lose focus.

My husband knows this too... He is amazingly forgiving.

[blu2xtreme]

Originally Posted by bustasinclair

Try being single, shy, broke, and divorced 3 times..........wonder what the stats say about us? LOL

This one of the reasons I haven't gotten divorced yet ...this is my third marriage don't think I can handle going through another divorce and starting over again...emotionally and financially a killer.

Believe me men aren't the only ones that get screwed in divorces.
So I stay in limbo between part time happiness and being miserable.

Find it hard to believe that is God's plan and I am a Christian.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Originally Posted by blu2xtreme

This one of the reasons I haven't gotten divorced yet ...this is my third marriage don't think I can handle going through another divorce and starting over again...emotionally and financially a killer.

Believe me men aren't the only ones that get screwed in divorces.
So I stay in limbo between part time happiness and being miserable.

Find it hard to believe that is God's plan and I am a Christian.

I think you and Busta are made for one another.........

I'll pray for you there Blu......... keep your chin up.

[jcbrowns]

Poor OP, his young mind is spinning right now.

It takes work. Lots of it.

There's many things in a marriage that can go wrong. Most or all of it has been covered already.

[blu2xtreme]

Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter

I think you and Busta are made for one another.........

I'll pray for you there Blu......... keep your chin up.

Thanks ....really trying ...I really don't want this

[*STEVE*]

Originally Posted by Atropa

Oh I bet I could bank on that.

You better believe it !!!






Thats why I remarried so many times ... I keep waiting and wanting to find the rite girl but I keep ending up with wacked out broads with quitter mantalities. The whole idea of marriage and a life long "partner" very much appeals to me.

Not boo hoo in just stating the facts

[blu2xtreme]

Originally Posted by *STEVE*

You better believe it !!!






Thats why I remarried so many times ... I keep waiting and wanting to find the rite girl but I keep ending up with wacked out broads with quitter mantalities. The whole idea of marriage and a life long "partner" very much appeals to me.

Not boo hoo in just stating the facts

That's my boy Steve ...don't stop being an romantic
the world needs more of them

[Atropa]

Originally Posted by *STEVE*

You better believe it !!!






Thats why I remarried so many times ... I keep waiting and wanting to find the rite girl but I keep ending up with wacked out broads with quitter mantalities. The whole idea of marriage and a life long "partner" very much appeals to me.

Not boo hoo in just stating the facts

One day it will happen!

[*STEVE*]

Originally Posted by blu2xtreme

That's my boy Steve ...don't stop being an romantic
the world needs more of them

Originally Posted by Atropa

One day it will happen!

Lets hope so , these crazy chicks are makin ME nuts lol !!!

[Atropa]

Originally Posted by *STEVE*

Lets hope so , these crazy chicks are makin ME nuts lol !!!

Well you know they do say if you can;t beat em, join em!
However there are some sane women out there still that are single...I do not know any but I'm sure they are out there.

[*STEVE*]

Originally Posted by Atropa

Well you know they do say if you can;t beat em, join em!
However there are some sane women out there still that are single...I do not know any but I'm sure they are out there.

Ya I keep hearing about the elusive "sane woman" havent seen one in real life yet though lol

[bustasinclair]

Originally Posted by Atropa

However there are some sane women out there still that are single...I do not know any but I'm sure they are out there.

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna need proof......

[blu2xtreme]

Originally Posted by *STEVE*

Ya I keep hearing about the elusive "sane woman" havent seen one in real life yet though lol

Originally Posted by bustasinclair

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna need proof......

I am sane ...but kind of married

[*STEVE*]

Originally Posted by blu2xtreme

I am sane ...but kind of married

Ya you are , but I know for a fact you got friends that arent ..... hook a guy up Blu

[blu2xtreme]

Originally Posted by *STEVE*

Ya you are , but I know for a fact you got friends that arent ..... hook a guy up Blu

Told you I would ...
Vegas baby

[*STEVE*]

Originally Posted by blu2xtreme

Told you I would ...
Vegas baby

I only have 3 words to say about that vegas trip ...


nom nom nom

[selffirst]

I read through the responses and most bring up money....I guess I'm naive or a romantic...but I think the best part of my present relationship was when we didn't have a pot to piss in or a back door to throw it out of....our love molded us into one....Material objects can enhance one's lives...but the love connection.When my mate didn't think I could do wrong...F*** I miss that.......Self

[JOHN GARGANI]

Originally Posted by BEBEKLEIN

However, people who cohabited are also more likely to get divorced than those who didn't (this applies to whites only). So is there something about the experience of living together and never being married that leads to divorce (causal)? Or are the kinds of people who choose to cohabit less committed to marriage and so they are more likely to choose divorce (selective)?

BEBE: the rationale among psychologists is this: with people who are living together, but not married, where they eventually end up in divorce, the relationship is already failing, however, they think that if they get married, it will help or make it more serious or whatever......

thus, they take the plunge, but naturally, the underlying causes had nothing to do with whether they had that piece of paper in their hands or not, and the result is that they have an even higher rate of divorce......


and one more thing: KIMBERLY: kick that "sinner" talk out to the curb.....better to substitute the word "HUMAN"....

sounds kinder and truer....

"WE ARE ALL SINNERS!!!".....that is good ol' fashioned bible thumping.....don't let Faith be your crutch, let it be an adjunct to your life......

and keep it positive: all that "sinner" jazz is negative thinking......

we are human, period....and it is the human condition....we have to deal with it with ourselves and with others.......

we are constructed to be weak, but we have the potential to be MUCH more...look at it that way.....

[jeffaus]

Originally Posted by BankWalker

If you're not a believer ..stop reading now so that you won't be offended.( God forbid I offend someone) The reason marriages are failing is that satan is completely attacking families. The ONLY way he can get to the kids is to destroy the marriage. ( repped by all believers)

Im not a believer, but Im not offended either so I kept reading. To each their own beliefs, but I really dont think religion or spiritual beliefs have anything to do with failures in marriage.

[cozener]

I'm not religious but I have to disagree there. Believing has its advantages. One of these advantages is a clear moral compass. Sure, you can get that through other means. I'm just not going to discount that one. Faith can be a very positive force in one's life. (just as it can be a negative one) And one's religion can help a marriage as well. If you get two folks together that share the same religious values it does strengthen a marriage because, for them, what marriage means is more clear cut and what you are and are not supposed to do in a marriage is clear cut (as are the consequences of not living up to those expectations).

[thomashenry]

Originally Posted by jeffaus

Im not a believer, but Im not offended either so I kept reading. To each their own beliefs, but I really dont think religion or spiritual beliefs have anything to do with failures in marriage.

Not too get into a debate, because everyone has their choices in life to make,& I have made mine, but as your line of thinking goes, having no spiritual beliefs, guidelines etc, to rely on my own devices, my character attributes & or defects, or anothers, I am kinda F&%^*d to put it bluntly.

I realize this conversation can get way overboard, nevertheless, I certainly do not have all the answers, just an opinion although I do hold steadfast in my {realtionship} with God, so much so I have staked my eternity on it.

I have no belief in religion whatsoever either, man made with rituals and traditions that threaten someone with eternal hell, if I don`t do this or that, have a piece of beefjerky on friday, or don`t contribute the correct amount of $ and or walk in lockstep and say the right things, Uhhhhhhhh that would be a big no, I am not in any way nor have ever been Politically correct, most things manmade can end up FUBAR, I mean all I have to do is flip on the tube/net, study history etc and poof, Sanity or Insanity at my fingertips, and then I can even contribute :} I do not in any way profess to have all the answers and also accept that some questions will never be answered, I continue to search and ask though, it is definitely a journey & one thing I am certain of, I know my final destination

[JolietKev]

Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI

BEBE: the rationale among psychologists is this: with people who are living together, but not married, where they eventually end up in divorce, the relationship is already failing, however, they think that if they get married, it will help or make it more serious or whatever......

thus, they take the plunge, but naturally, the underlying causes had nothing to do with whether they had that piece of paper in their hands or not, and the result is that they have an even higher rate of divorce......


and one more thing: KIMBERLY: kick that "sinner" talk out to the curb.....better to substitute the word "HUMAN"....

sounds kinder and truer....

"WE ARE ALL SINNERS!!!".....that is good ol' fashioned bible thumping.....don't let Faith be your crutch, let it be an adjunct to your life......

and keep it positive: all that "sinner" jazz is negative thinking......

we are human, period....and it is the human condition....we have to deal with it with ourselves and with others.......

we are constructed to be weak, but we have the potential to be MUCH more...look at it that way.....

She can use whatever words she likes that fit her beliefs. Some people are just too PC. How would you like it if she corrected one of your posts and said that you should use the word sinner in place of HUMAN?

[hochspeyer]

Personally, with a couple of whacked out knees that I've lived with over the past few months, I've become quite comfortable with crutch.

Besides, God is more like my ventilator, because every breath comes from Him.

[thomashenry]

Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI

BEBE: the rationale among psychologists is this: with people who are living together, but not married, where they eventually end up in divorce, the relationship is already failing, however, they think that if they get married, it will help or make it more serious or whatever......

thus, they take the plunge, but naturally, the underlying causes had nothing to do with whether they had that piece of paper in their hands or not, and the result is that they have an even higher rate of divorce......


and one more thing: KIMBERLY: kick that "sinner" talk out to the curb.....better to substitute the word "HUMAN"....

sounds kinder and truer....

"WE ARE ALL SINNERS!!!".....that is good ol' fashioned bible thumping.....don't let Faith be your crutch, let it be an adjunct to your life......

and keep it positive: all that "sinner" jazz is negative thinking......

we are human, period....and it is the human condition....we have to deal with it with ourselves and with others.......

we are constructed to be weak, but we have the potential to be MUCH more...look at it that way.....

Good morning/afternoon John, a couple of observations
#1 "the Bible is an anvil that has worn out many hammers", and no offense but there are some interesting play`s on words as well as contraditory ones, I.E. Psychologists and ratonale, sinner and human are one in the same, and it`s not altogether a negative situation, afterall if one admits their faults, character defects and at least attempts to not repeat them, is not that a sign of rationale and cognitive behavior, Didn`t Jesus say to the woman "go & sin no more" after he admonshied the men about to stone her, you know "those without SIN cast the 1st stone" , if we all have fallen short and are reasonable in mind, would we not at least try and do better, not make the same mistakes over & over and live with a sense of decency, civility & integrity towards others ! & as hard as I have tried/looked, read about and searched no one comes close to the model of how life should be lived other than JESUS.

# 2 I am also keenly award of skepticism and doubt, that is my human character, however I share that with the disciples as well, like Thomas "didymus" t Diddy "} "Faith as small as a Mustard seed" & didn`t Emerson say`s skepticism is slow sucide ! who also would you pit as leaders/teachers as rational as Jesus ! Freud, Jung, James, Maslow, buddah, mohammed, ghandi, MLK JR pick any politician or military leader in history,what about David or Solomon, Moses, pharohs, Ghengis Kahn, Napolean, Dr Phil or Oprah, Dan Brown how about Tolle or Swaggert, Choprah, none compare ! Which of the above Said "I am the waY the TRUTH and the Life" very specific, of all the above who is the most controversial, revolutionary ? of all the above who has 2 Billion Followers, is every single one delusional, duped, foolish ? is believing that Jesus Christ and the fact he claimed to be God the largest hoax in human history, His birth miraculous and devine, his life extraordinary & faultless, his death & resurrection beyond comprehension for the redemption of mankinds sins ! although granted Man has done some vile things in the name of Christ, none of which have anything to do with Christ or his teaching !

We have a Soul and a Spirit, we or at least I have an inherrent compass as to whats actually right and wrong, that still small voice inside as long as I shut my mouth ! which I fail to do everyday, I do believe in Good & Evil, that The devil, the god of this age, cast out from Heaven with a 3rd of the angels to EARTH, the deciever, Lucifer, morning star, son of the dawn, the seal of perfection, perfect in beauty and wisdom, he is most definitely real and wants to take from me everything possible, he masquerades as angel of light & prowls like a roaring lion looking for someone "me" to devour !

So let her have Faith in God, it is her choice & I agree we have the potential to be much more, I guess it depends on what you believe !

[themyth2009]

Originally Posted by cozener

I'm not religious but I have to disagree there. Believing has its advantages. One of these advantages is a clear moral compass. Sure, you can get that through other means. I'm just not going to discount that one. Faith can be a very positive force in one's life. (just as it can be a negative one) And one's religion can help a marriage as well. If you get two folks together that share the same religious values it does strengthen a marriage because, for them, what marriage means is more clear cut and what you are and are not supposed to do in a marriage is clear cut (as are the consequences of not living up to those expectations).

Thats my problem I lost my dam moral compass. Just wish I could remember where I put it.

[bebeklein]

Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI

BEBE: the rationale among psychologists is this: with people who are living together, but not married, where they eventually end up in divorce, the relationship is already failing, however, they think that if they get married, it will help or make it more serious or whatever......

thus, they take the plunge, but naturally, the underlying causes had nothing to do with whether they had that piece of paper in their hands or not, and the result is that they have an even higher rate of divorce......

Interesting....kind of reminds me of the couple who has the baby and hopes it saves their marriage/brings them closer.

[Capt_Lou]

Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI

BEBE: the rationale among psychologists is this: with people who are living together, but not married, where they eventually end up in divorce, the relationship is already failing, however, they think that if they get married, it will help or make it more serious or whatever......

thus, they take the plunge, but naturally, the underlying causes had nothing to do with whether they had that piece of paper in their hands or not, and the result is that they have an even higher rate of divorce......


and one more thing: KIMBERLY: kick that "sinner" talk out to the curb.....better to substitute the word "HUMAN"....

sounds kinder and truer....

"WE ARE ALL SINNERS!!!".....that is good ol' fashioned bible thumping.....don't let Faith be your crutch, let it be an adjunct to your life......

and keep it positive: all that "sinner" jazz is negative thinking......

we are human, period....and it is the human condition....we have to deal with it with ourselves and with others.......

we are constructed to be weak, but we have the potential to be MUCH more...look at it that way.....

repped

[JOHN GARGANI]

Originally Posted by JolietKev

She can use whatever words she likes that fit her beliefs. Some people are just too PC. How would you like it if she corrected one of your posts and said that you should use the word sinner in place of HUMAN?

JOLIET: Kimberly and I are great "internet" friends and go way back on here.....

she will NOT be offended in the slightest by my comments....we are buddies.....

before you over-react, you should know more about the "combatants".....

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Originally Posted by themyth2009

Thats my problem I lost my dam moral compass. Just wish I could remember where I put it.

It's out on the book shelf.......... it's the big black book with dust on it.

Call me when you have a minute.