Video Israel doesn't want you to see

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by BahadurShah

1. "Semitic."
2. Zionism != Judaism
3. Arabs are Semites
4. Would you call these guys anti-Semitic? http://www.nkusa.org/ Calling anti-Zionists anti-Semites is as stupid as saying that people who hated Nazis were anti-Aryan.

For those going on about Israel being military superpower that the Palestinians shouldn't **** with, they got their asses kicked in '73 & the US bailed them out.

1/4th of the world's refugees are Palestinians. If that isn't a holocaust, I don't know what is. Israeli government = 4th Reich. IDF=SS. People who deny this are bloodthirsty, blind, or both.

Nice revisionist history there buddy. Israel was about to occupy Damascus, until they were threatened by the Soviet Union.

[VTheKing]

Originally Posted by ONtop888

You're blind. As Geno said, the land is NOT the Palestinians anymore, they have their own land now, wars change geo-political lines, simple as that. Islam wouldn't be in N. Africa, not would've it ever hit Spain if it was not for war, but it happened and that is that.

As for the situation now, the Jews have no choice but to fight back when rockets get launched into supermarkets and banks. However, every time they retaliate, the Palestinians retaliate, and the never-ending cycle of idiocy and violence is perpetuated. Cool story bro.

Hey, what would others do if, say, the US lost a war against Mexico and the Mexicans occupied the whole Southwest (in b4 "they already do lol") then closed all of the border around it, only letting goods in and out every once in a while? Wouldn't people there resort to violence to fight back and try to "liberate" their lands? Wouldn't they refuse peace settlements that favored the post-bellum status quo? If you were there, would you just cross your arms and accept, take up arms or try to slip away?

[Geno]

Originally Posted by VTheKing

And how can Palestine get more educated if they hardly have resources to meet basic needs and their land is under constant blockade? And in the mind of many Palestinians, the "joos" are on their land (reinforced by IDF incursions into Gaza)? Yeah, maybe if they were all more affluent then no one would be killing each other but how do you go about that?

(Btw, when the more "educated" fellow of the war is hardly any more courteous than the "uneducated"... :wtc: )

By spending the huge amount of foriegn aid on schools first, basic sanitation second and infrastucture third. Cut out the hatred taught in schools, make sure that every pal knows the country of Israel is supplying the vast majority of food, utilities and medicine to them as a gesture of goodwill.

IDF incursions will stop when attacks on jewish civilians stop. A country that supplies the very lifeblood of a people who have been thrown out by force from every other (arab) country they have inhabited is obviously benign (for the most part).

Israel could very easily leave the pals to their own designs and watch them starve. The West Bank and Gaza do not now, and never have, supported themselves. The Israelis pay for everything that they consume. Why is it so hard to imagine that the Israelis would not help with basic (and preferably) higher education?

[Geno]

Originally Posted by VTheKing

Hey, what would others do if, say, the US lost a war against Mexico and the Mexicans occupied the whole Southwest (in b4 "they already do lol") then closed all of the border around it, only letting goods in and out every once in a while? Wouldn't people there resort to violence to fight back and try to "liberate" their lands? Wouldn't they refuse peace settlements that favored the post-bellum status quo? If you were there, would you just cross your arms and accept, take up arms or try to slip away?

You ever heard of the trail of tears?

Therein lies the rub. The US didn't lose that war. Every war that has ever been lost (oh, let's just use the Ottomans...........in WWII for example) has left someone out in the cold and not in a good position. They got over it and moved on - okay, maybe not. Only one example I can think of has left an entire people still existing at the whim of another. The US rebuilt Germany and Japan. They prospered wildly. The Israelis built everything the Pals could ever need and their leaders refused to allow the people to utilize those facilities so their people would appear as poor, downtrodden, lost souls.

The arab countries that gave refuge to the pals kicked them out at gunpoint - slaying 20,000 in the process in the case of King Hussien of Jordan. One has to study history to understand how badly the palestinian people have been jacked around by their leaders for personal gain. Only a people that are truly in need of education would even allow such a thing. Abject poverty breeds abject ignorance. Ignorance is the only thing that would allow a pal leader to amass a fortune in the hundreds of millions while the people lack basic sanitation.

7 million dollars would bring a fully capable sanitation system to all of the West Bank and Gaza. Another 7 mill would bring good water.

At his height - Yassir had a personal fortune of 130 million us dollars. What did the people have? Yep - NOTHING. NOT A GOD DAMNED THING. You see anyone raising hell about that?

Nope.

[Geese_Howard]

Looks like Allah is pretty crap at helping his people compared to Yaweh.

Perhaps Palestinians should become Jewish in faith and then they'd get some land back.

[VTheKing]

Originally Posted by Geno

You ever heard of the trail of tears?

Well... so just allow 'erself to be forcibly kicked out of your land?

Originally Posted by Geno

By spending the huge amount of foriegn aid on schools first, basic sanitation second and infrastucture third. Cut out the hatred taught in schools, make sure that every pal knows the country of Israel is supplying the vast majority of food, utilities and medicine to them as a gesture of goodwill.

IDF incursions will stop when attacks on jewish civilians stop. A country that supplies the very lifeblood of a people who have been thrown out by force from every other (arab) country they have inhabited is obviously benign (for the most part).

Israel could very easily leave the pals to their own designs and watch them starve. The West Bank and Gaza do not now, and never have, supported themselves. The Israelis pay for everything that they consume. Why is it so hard to imagine that the Israelis would not help with basic (and preferably) higher education?

They are denied the most basic aspect of economic development - which is foreign trade. There is hardly any natural resource and the landerson ratio is very small in there so trade is a necessity- how are they supposed to sustain themselves that way? Of course they'll be "dependent" on Israel! They'd certainly be better off if the Israelis cut off aid in exchange of letting go of the blockade.

With economic plight comes radicalism - along with the ****storm. No, I think the Hamas should be wiped out and the Palestinians made a bad decision electing them, but come on - it should've been well excepted that extremism would surely follow. Unless that was the intention of Israel so to maintain a perpetual state of war, slowly driving out the Palestinian population and replacing with Israelis (nevermind, that's CT material). Add into the pot the fact that Israel used to be Palestine sixty years ago and it becomes pretty easy to make those fellas angry.

I don't think anyone can say that the Palestinians - or if you want to generalize, Arabs, have an any good record as well - they've never treated the Jewish well either. But what I find is that neither side can claim to have the moral high ground.

EDIT: Did you just add this?

Therein lies the rub. The US didn't lose that war. Every war that has ever been lost (oh, let's just use the Ottomans...........in WWII for example) has left someone out in the cold and not in a good position. They got over it and moved on - okay, maybe not. Only one example I can think of has left an entire people still existing at the whim of another. The US rebuilt Germany and Japan. They prospered wildly. The Israelis built everything the Pals could ever need and their leaders refused to allow the people to utilize those facilities so their people would appear as poor, downtrodden, lost souls.

Ottamans + WWII... que?

In regards to Israel building "everything the Palestinians could ever hope for" - source to support that claim? (srs)

The arab countries that gave refuge to the pals kicked them out at gunpoint - slaying 20,000 in the process in the case of King Hussien of Jordan. One has to study history to understand how badly the palestinian people have been jacked around by their leaders for personal gain. Only a people that are truly in need of education would even allow such a thing. Abject poverty breeds abject ignorance. Ignorance is the only thing that would allow a pal leader to amass a fortune in the hundreds of millions while the people lack basic sanitation.

7 million dollars would bring a fully capable sanitation system to all of the West Bank and Gaza. Another 7 mill would bring good water.

At his height - Yassir had a personal fortune of 130 million us dollars. What did the people have? Yep - NOTHING. NOT A GOD DAMNED THING. You see anyone raising hell about that?

Can't disagree with the widespread corruption and hypocrisy on the Palestinian/Arab camp, but then again, I'm not contesting that. What I'm saying is that current Israeli attitude is making the situation much worse.

[Geno]

Originally Posted by VTheKing

Well... so just allow 'erself to be forcibly kicked out of your land?



They are denied the most basic aspect of economic development - which is foreign trade. There is hardly any natural resource and the landerson ratio is very small in there so trade is a necessity- how are they supposed to sustain themselves that way? Of course they'll be "dependent" on Israel! They'd certainly be better off if the Israelis cut off aid in exchange of letting go of the blockade.

With economic plight comes radicalism - along with the ****storm. No, I think the Hamas should be wiped out and the Palestinians made a bad decision electing them, but come on - it should've been well excepted that extremism would surely follow. Unless that was the intention of Israel so to maintain a perpetual state of war, slowly driving out the Palestinian population and replacing with Israelis (nevermind, that's CT material). Add into the pot the fact that Israel used to be Palestine sixty years ago and it becomes pretty easy to make those fellas angry.

I don't think anyone can say that the Palestinians - or if you want to generalize, Arabs, have an any good record as well - they've never treated the Jewish well either. But what I find is that neither side can claim to have the moral high ground.

EDIT: Did you just add this?



Ottamans + WWII... que?

In regards to Israel building "everything the Palestinians could ever hope for" - source to support that claim? (srs)



Can't disagree with the widespread corruption and hypocrisy on the Palestinian/Arab camp, but then again, I'm not contesting that. What I'm saying is that current Israeli attitude is making the situation much worse.

Did not just add that.

Ottoman Turks controlled all the arab lands before the end of the first world war. The only time in modern history the arabs were truly peaceful. Of course the turks ruled with an iron fist......

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

During the years that Israel controlled the Gaza Strip, a consistent effort was made to get the Palestinians into permanent housing. The Palestinians opposed the idea because the frustrated and bitter inhabitants of the camps provided the various terrorist factions with their manpower. Moreover, the Arab states routinely pushed for the adoption of UN resolutions demanding that Israel desist from the removal of Palestinian refugees from camps in Gaza and the West Bank. They preferred to keep the Palestinians as symbols of Israeli "oppression."

Now the camps are in the hands of the Palestinian Authority (PA), but little is being done to improve the lot of the Palestinians living in them. Journalist Netty Gross visited Gaza and asked an official why the camps there hadn't been dismantled. She was told the Palestinian Authority had made a "political decision" not to do anything for the now nearly 500,000 Palestinians living in the camps until the final-status talks with Israel took place (Jerusalem Report, July 6, 1998). To this day, the PA has not used one dime of the billions of dollars in foreign aid it has received to build permanent housing for the refugees.

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009...he-arab-world/

Margie, the palestinian authority has gotten billions of dollars since its founding in 1994 for all sorts of public purposes, water supply, sewers, hospitals, etc.

Yet, most of the money, as far as I know, has not been spent for those purposes. The PA officials and Hamas have been keen not to resettle refugees in permanent housing. The refugess are great as an exhibition proving Israeli evil, whereas the PA has received much money, some of which could have been used to build houses for the resident of the ?€œrefugee camps.?€? Actually, the ?€œrefugees?€? have been living in permanent houses in the ?€œcamps?€? for many years but better homes could be built for them. Israel does not keep these people in the official ?€œrefugee camps?€?. When Israel wanted to build new houses for them back in the 1970s, the UN and other parts of the international community objected strongly and the project was stopped, although maybe 100 houses were built in Gaza.

Sources that don't seem biased are hard to find for news that old. Anyone that was alive then and actually gave a **** can attest (very few people in fact).

[Weightaholic]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

So basically

Translation: Death to palestinians, long live israel the free to do whatever it wants but whines when palestinians actually defend themselves and fight for their land.

It's not "their" land.

Fail.

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by Weightaholic

It's not "their" land.

Fail.

Why don't they bitch about losing Spain, S. Eastern Europe, parts of France, India, etc????? And according to their religion, once a nation falls to Islam, it can only be ruled by Islam. So what are their plans for the above???

[Weightaholic]

Originally Posted by Dave22reborn

Why don't they bitch about losing Spain, S. Eastern Europe, parts of France, India, etc????? And according to their religion, once a nation falls to Islam, it can only be ruled by Islam. So what are their plans for the above???

Nothing. Impotence reigns supreme.

The muslim leaders like to use Palestine as a rallying point (a la two minutes of hate), but when it comes to actually doing something, Sweet Fck All.

Just look at the ignominous bunch we've gathered here in this thread. The lads all feel really, REALLY deeply about the plight of the "noble Palestinian", but not deeply enough to actually do anything. If you all feel that deeply about it, go stand in front of an Israeli tank. Go fight beside your muslim "brothers" in their struggle against tyranny.

Sheep, morons and fools being led around by the nose by hate filled preachers, whose extent of true support is to post internet videos from the safety of their loungerooms....

[Dr.Z]

Originally Posted by Geno

You ever heard of the trail of tears?

Therein lies the rub. The US didn't lose that war. Every war that has ever been lost (oh, let's just use the Ottomans...........in WWII for example) has left someone out in the cold and not in a good position. They got over it and moved on - okay, maybe not. Only one example I can think of has left an entire people still existing at the whim of another.

Western powers had plans to divide Ottoman lands, and they did so. They also had plans to divide Anatolia (moden Turkey), but they couldn't. It's not because they didn't want to, it's because Turks pushed them back 1 by 1, and they lost the support to pursue the campaign further.

Greeks/Armenians/Kurds would've loved that... but no thanks.

[Madsen89]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

^You're delusional and know nothing about actual history or events.

Might as well stick a label on yourself identifying you as "brainwashed".

I guess many people are still living the lie that israel existed and that there was no palestinians ever and that the israelis just magically came there while the palestinians just magically started being eeevilzz and then boom all magic happened and then there you haveit.

You know, maybe if you modernized and stopped wiping your asses with your hands, you might actually take back the land you claim to be rightfully yours. Israel is surrounded by thousands of miles of people who want them exterminated, yet you can't do it. I find that a bit pathetic. To add to the amazingly accurate analogy above, your poking a cornered tiger and getting the bad end of the stick.

I find this argument so satisfying though, knowing that Israel is so bad ass and doesn't hesitate at all to bomb your people back to the Stone age.

[psamty]

Originally Posted by ONtop888

You're blind. As Geno said, the land is NOT the Palestinians anymore, they have their own land now, wars change geo-political lines, simple as that. Islam wouldn't be in N. Africa, not would've it ever hit Spain if it was not for war, but it happened and that is that.

Precisely. Or India. Or Syria. Or Lebanon. Or a whole host of other nations. Wars change boundaries, they always have. Prophet Muhammad himself changed boundaries through war, so you should be happy that Israel is following the sunnah of the Prophet.

[...Rousseau...]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Um, they fought against Israel and lost that land in the last pictures so fail on your part?

this

[a_ahmed]

Originally Posted by Madsen89

You know, maybe if you modernized and stopped wiping your asses with your hands, you might actually take back the land you claim to be rightfully yours. Israel is surrounded by thousands of miles of people who want them exterminated, yet you can't do it. I find that a bit pathetic. To add to the amazingly accurate analogy above, your poking a cornered tiger and getting the bad end of the stick.

I find this argument so satisfying though, knowing that Israel is so bad ass and doesn't hesitate at all to bomb your people back to the Stone age.

Oh I'm sorry let me modernize

*brb wiping my ass with dry toilette paper*

*brb washing car with dry toilette paper*

oh no!

[psamty]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

Oh I'm sorry let me modernize

*brb wiping my ass with dry toilette paper*

*brb washing car with dry toilette paper*

oh no!

Are you mad that Israel is following the sunnah of the Prophet better than you? While they are conquering land as the Prophet (PBUH) did, you are sitting in kafir lands and contributing to tax moneys against Muslims. U mad?

[Madsen89]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

Oh I'm sorry let me modernize

*brb wiping my ass with dry toilette paper*

*brb washing car with dry toilette paper*

oh no!

Hilarious. At the end of the day, its your family and distant relatives that continue to egg the Jews on, and its those same family and relatives that give there lives.

Oh wait, 72 virgins...

Never mind... keep at it!

[leafs43]

Of all the atrocities in the world this is simply the most trumped up.

The same people who support China in overtaking the US doesn't see an even more malicious occupation of Tibet.

It's only because they are muslims and they got their asses handed to them by the jews many many times. Must really chap some ass knowing allah wasn't on their side in the fight over Israel.

[Syrith]

^This

I've seen the genocides in Sudan brought up approximately 0 times by ANY Muslim I've know, internet or irl

[NuggzTheNinja]

I love how someone posts a video of a lady who stood too close to the business end of a breaching charge, and it turns into a massive sh-tfest on why we should turn back the clock to 1948, when there was no Israel, when rainbows covered the Earth and rivers of chocolate ran through every town, city, and village.

[VTheKing]

Originally Posted by Geno

Did not just add that.

Ottoman Turks controlled all the arab lands before the end of the first world war. The only time in modern history the arabs were truly peaceful. Of course the turks ruled with an iron fist......

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull



http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009...he-arab-world/



Sources that don't seem biased are hard to find for news that old. Anyone that was alive then and actually gave a **** can attest (very few people in fact).

Thanks for the sources, they look interesting at a glance. I'll go over them after I'm done with Physics.

[a_ahmed]

Originally Posted by Madsen89

Hilarious. At the end of the day, its your family and distant relatives that continue to egg the Jews on, and its those same family and relatives that give there lives.

Oh wait, 72 virgins...

Never mind... keep at it!

I become Muslim, my relatives are from europe, including Hungary where there's Jews, I got a Jew nose and probably some Jewish lineage down the line. Mad yet? But I still support Palestinians, of course Muslims but even Christian Palestinians.

There's plenty Jews against Israel. Mad?

[dbx]

Here's an honest and somewhat embarrassing admission; After all these years, I still don't know what is "right" for these two peoples. Living in the U.S., we're all likely to side with Israel because of long held diplomatic relations, Jewish lobbyists and citizens here. But to me, it is also obvious that Israel always plays the victim (and there's plenty of fodder for it!) and has played on U.S. sympathy at the very least, all while waging a ruthless battle with a neighbor.

Years ago, when the subject arose, I used to joke that "you could stop reading the newspaper today...and pick it up 5yrs later and not have missed a beat" for the never ending discord between the two. It remains true to this day. As U.S. citizens, we're largely led to believe that we need to protect "these people" because of the holocaust, and we all know persecution for religious beliefs is wrong (lol, I'm in the R&P forum ). But I also believe that this excuse has long been worn out, and that Israel plays on it way too much. And the land taken in 1967 (Six day War) is still pretty fresh and painful this soon afterward. I don't know...

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by dbx

Here's an honest and somewhat embarrassing admission; After all these years, I still don't know what is "right" for these two peoples. Living in the U.S., we're all likely to side with Israel because of long held diplomatic relations, Jewish lobbyists and citizens here. But to me, it is also obvious that Israel always plays the victim (and there's plenty of fodder for it!) and has played on U.S. sympathy at the very least, all while waging a ruthless battle with a neighbor.

Years ago, when the subject arose, I used to joke that "you could stop reading the newspaper today...and pick it up 5yrs later and not have missed a beat" for the never ending discord between the two. It remains true to this day. As U.S. citizens, we're largely led to believe that we need to protect "these people" because of the holocaust, and we all know persecution for religious beliefs is wrong (lol, I'm in the R&P forum ). But I also believe that this excuse has long been worn out, and that Israel plays on it way too much. And the land taken in 1967 (Six day War) is still pretty fresh and painful this soon afterward. I don't know...

What neighbor would that be?

[Madsen89]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

I become Muslim, my relatives are from europe, including Hungary where there's Jews, I got a Jew nose and probably some Jewish lineage down the line. Mad yet? But I still support Palestinians, of course Muslims but even Christian Palestinians.

There's plenty Jews against Israel. Mad?

Mad? Kid your grammar is so hard to understand, I can't tell if you are asking or insulting.

[marmadogg]

Originally Posted by dbx

Here's an honest and somewhat embarrassing admission; After all these years, I still don't know what is "right" for these two peoples. Living in the U.S., we're all likely to side with Israel because of long held diplomatic relations, Jewish lobbyists and citizens here. But to me, it is also obvious that Israel always plays the victim (and there's plenty of fodder for it!) and has played on U.S. sympathy at the very least, all while waging a ruthless battle with a neighbor.

Years ago, when the subject arose, I used to joke that "you could stop reading the newspaper today...and pick it up 5yrs later and not have missed a beat" for the never ending discord between the two. It remains true to this day. As U.S. citizens, we're largely led to believe that we need to protect "these people" because of the holocaust, and we all know persecution for religious beliefs is wrong (lol, I'm in the R&P forum ). But I also believe that this excuse has long been worn out, and that Israel plays on it way too much. And the land taken in 1967 (Six day War) is still pretty fresh and painful this soon afterward. I don't know...

The real reason we are protecting Israel is because of Revelations. The Holocaust is just cover for the Evangelical Zionists based in western Europe and the United States. You should really know this by now.

I fully support Israel and everything that comes with it.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by marmadogg

The real reason we are protecting Israel is because of Revelations. The Holocaust is just cover for the Evangelical Zionists based in western Europe and the United States. You should really know this by now.

I fully support Israel and everything that comes with it.

I agree. The Christian Zionist movement (which has zero to do with Jews) is extremly powerful and influential. I have nothing but distain for these people.

[dbx]

Originally Posted by marmadogg

The real reason we are protecting Israel is because of Revelations. The Holocaust is just cover for the Evangelical Zionists based in western Europe and the United States. You should really know this by now.

I fully support Israel and everything that comes with it.

Well, this is largely what "I've come to know" and believe. I'm just being quite candid in admitting that I'm not so sure I've got it right. And to be even more candid, I've become quite numb to most things that happen over there. I believe both sides have merit in their arguments/stances, but it's all convoluted. Not only to us, but to them in many cases.

[marmadogg]

Originally Posted by 1devil

I agree. The Christian Zionist movement (which has zero to do with Jews) is extremly powerful and influential. I have nothing but distain for these people.

I have mixed feelings. Evangelicals and Jews (not married to each other) are both part of my family through marriage.

Originally Posted by dbx

Well, this is largely what "I've come to know" and believe. I'm just being quite candid in admitting that I'm not so sure I've got it right. And to be even more candid, I've become quite numb to most things that happen over there. I believe both sides have merit in their arguments/stances, but it's all convoluted. Not only to us, but to them in many cases.

The bottom line is Zionists believe that Jesus will only return once Israel is restored to its original boundaries and 12,000 member from each of the 12 tribes must be present as well. All you have to do is read the news to find out that settlements are expanding Israel's borders and charities are sponsoring Jews that want to move bad to Israel from Europe and abroad.

It is highly blasphemous to believe that man has any control or should attempt to assist in the fulfillment of prophecies.

Originally Posted by 727272

Fixed................

Troll

[1devil]

Originally Posted by marmadogg

I have mixed feelings. Evangelicals and Jews (not married to each other) are both part of my family through marriage.



The bottom line is Zionists believe that Jesus will only return once Israel is restored to its original boundaries and 12,000 member from each of the 12 tribes must be present as well. All you have to do is read the news to find out that settlements are expanding Israel's borders and charities are sponsoring Jews that want to move bad to Israel from Europe and abroad.

It is highly blasphemous to believe that man has any control or should attempt to assist in the fulfillment of prophecies.



Troll

Christian Zionists believe that Jesus will only return once Israel is restored to its original boundaries. Jewish Zionists have no such beliefs. As a Jew I wish Israel would sever all ties with the Christian Zionist movement.