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11-03-2009, 03:23 PM
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They would be left to die without the NHS.
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Originally Posted by rockyl686
True, however, most of those people would receive the same level of care if not better care with less interference from a more justice-based system.
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11-03-2009, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Smack.
Strong thinking correlation is causation.
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Being fat, lazy and unhealthy greatly increases risk of many diseases. Give me a fuking break.
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11-03-2009, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by US_Ranger
Negged for common sense and evidence instead of using logical fallacies to push a point that is easily dismissed!
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Srsly. The whole common sense thing gets me into a lot trouble with some people around here. A few months of my life in a dozen countries as first hand experience is certainly better than the gullible people that believe what people seeking ever more power over us little minions. I'm all about some enormous changes to health care. But what's proposed is not it. What's proposed is putting the problems of the US health system on steroids.
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11-03-2009, 03:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smack.
So are you suggesting that people who pay their taxes like anyone else (arguable more so since alcohol and cigarettes are so highly taxed here) be denied treatment because of their lifestyle choices?
Strong thinking correlation is causation.
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Nice attempt at flipping the script, but a sad failure. Ever read any health literature from the last 100 years? I have a BS in Nutrition if you have serious questions.
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11-03-2009, 03:31 PM
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So what is this proving exactly??
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11-03-2009, 04:40 PM
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Russia = 160th in life expectancy 
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11-03-2009, 04:55 PM
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Where do all the people from around the world come to for the most complicated health treatment?
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11-03-2009, 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smack.
So are you suggesting that people who pay their taxes like anyone else (arguable more so since alcohol and cigarettes are so highly taxed here) be denied treatment because of their lifestyle choices?
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nice try but fail.
No one is denying them anything, just because you cannot afford something does not mean that you are denied it, I want a nice house on Hawaii overlooking the ocean, but I cant afford it, does that mean I'm being denied it? of course not.
btw taxes on those things go to pay for a far more social tampering than the medical cost of those individuals, as well as the fact that those individuals are still well within a right to make a large portion of money and pay their own medical expenses to take care of themselves for their high-risk lifestyle.
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Originally Posted by frankenstein
All but 2-3 UHC countries spend less per capita on govt provided health care than the US. Translation: the US feds cover 28% of the US population and still spend more than all but 2-3 countries that cover 100% of their population. Per capita!!! It's not a matter of blaming just the insurance industry or govt. It is both in collusion. Calling health insurers "private" nearly makes me wet myself from laughter. They're the middle man, a private money collector of govt run health care in the US, as is. Just saying.
I'm not completely against govt getting involved in healthcare. If we had something more like the Swiss or German systems, I'd be ecstatic. The proposed US system being pushed for by Congress is corrupt and inefficient.
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Bravo
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Originally Posted by jimbob007
They would be left to die without the NHS.
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no, they would not.
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11-03-2009, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Smack.
Strong thinking correlation is causation.
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Lol. I see what you did there.
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11-03-2009, 05:21 PM
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LOL @ people thinking that a higher life expectancy in countries with government healthcare is an argument for government bureacracy.
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11-03-2009, 07:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenstein
Srsly. The whole common sense thing gets me into a lot trouble with some people around here. A few months of my life in a dozen countries as first hand experience is certainly better than the gullible people that believe what people seeking ever more power over us little minions. I'm all about some enormous changes to health care. But what's proposed is not it. What's proposed is putting the problems of the US health system on steroids.
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What? You support health care reform that isn't status quo or the Obama care plan?
How can you possibly support something that doesn't pigeon hole you into 1 of 2 camps? This disallows the false dilemma fallacy. Negged again! It's either:
A) status quo
or
B) Obama care plan
There is nothing else! Negged! Negged! Negged!
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11-03-2009, 07:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtguy8787
LOL @ people thinking that a higher life expectancy in countries with government healthcare is an argument for government bureacracy.
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Yeah bro, everything is hunky dory with US health care right now!
**** those commies! Just because we pay 10x more for the same exact thing doesn't mean government health care doesn't work! It means... uh... we're 10x as good! Because we're AMERICUH! USA! USA!
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11-03-2009, 07:39 PM
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That's why America = bulking heaven. Double portion sizes for (probably) half the price. I know at your McDonalds you get $1 burgers ... we don't get anything cheaper than a pound. |
In the US the double cheeseburger at McDonalds is cheaper then the plain hamburger.
/mind assplodes!
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11-04-2009, 02:14 AM
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Just wanted to say that the UK may be 36th but i blame Scotland. It drags the UK down. They have more crime, a much lower life expectancy with some areas the life expectancy being in the late 50's from smoking, drinking and bad diet etc and im sure i heard that Scotland costs the UK more than it contributes.
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11-04-2009, 03:35 AM
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Quote:
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China: #1. No UHC present.
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lol, you got owned three times over.
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11-04-2009, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JUSA
Being fat, lazy and unhealthy greatly increases risk of many diseases. Give me a fuking break.
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And so does not having access to healthcare. If you want to call out others for saying correlation = causation, then at least don't make the same stupid mistake in your own post in the next line.
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Originally Posted by rockyl686
nice try but fail.
No one is denying them anything, just because you cannot afford something does not mean that you are denied it, I want a nice house on Hawaii overlooking the ocean, but I cant afford it, does that mean I'm being denied it? of course not.
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If you cannot afford something you are denied it ... because you cannot afford it! Someone needs to learn English better, it seems.
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btw taxes on those things go to pay for a far more social tampering than the medical cost of those individuals, as well as the fact that those individuals are still well within a right to make a large portion of money and pay their own medical expenses to take care of themselves for their high-risk lifestyle.
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Like what?
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