swine flu

[Old_Swole]

Maybe you two should spend more time in the gym so you wouldn't have so much time to worry about the flu.

[Karl_Hungus]

Originally Posted by agntorange

would it ever occur to you that this thing is just now getting off the ground? should we wait till 100,000 peeps are dead and then heck lets wake up and call a national emergency and do something about this. its called being proactive, not complacent.

you can in no way say this thing is overblown if its only just begun.

If you want to panic, feel free to panic. But an objective look at the data suggests the swine flu is not any worse than the regular flu ... nor is there any reason to think the swine flu is going to suddenly morph into something deadly. Even if it did, the current swine flu vaccine wouldn't help you anyway....so it is a moot point. Certainly, you should try to avoid getting swine flu if you can, but don't uproot your life, board up the windows, and live your life in fear over it.

[agntorange]

yeh you are right about that. then close the schools for the rest of the year. lets skip this year.

no panic here. just want solutions to the problem we are facing.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus

If you want to panic, feel free to panic. But an objective look at the data suggests the swine flu is not any worse than the regular flu ... nor is there any reason to think the swine flu is going to suddenly morph into something deadly. Even if it did, the current swine flu vaccine wouldn't help you anyway....so it is a moot point. Certainly, you should try to avoid getting swine flu if you can, but don't uproot your life, board up the windows, and live your life in fear over it.

There is no reason to live in fear from this or anything else. H1N1 appears to be highly contagious but also frequently very mild. I'm almost completely certain I've personally been exposed to it numerous times and will many, many more before it is done. If people want to have foreign agents driven into their bodies by needles, that is their choice, just as it is mine to avoid that entirely. It makes neither the recipient nor me any wiser for this choice. There is already an effective agent called Tamiflu and those most prone to flu death should probably be given this. Someone mentioned cytokine storms and they are largely ignoring the evidence that the CDC itself has posted stating flatly that H1N1 is not much different from regular seasonal flu. There are larger things in the world to worry about, but if someone wants to harp and orbit this topic, everyone needs a hobby, I suppose.

I say to you, enjoy yourselves. It's later than you think.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Originally Posted by EMISGOD

There is no reason to live in fear from this or anything else. H1N1 appears to be highly contagious but also frequently very mild. I'm almost completely certain I've personally been exposed to it numerous times and will many, many more before it is done. If people want to have foreign agents driven into their bodies by needles, that is their choice, just as it is mine to avoid that entirely. It makes neither the recipient nor me any wiser for this choice. There is already an effective agent called Tamiflu and those most prone to flu death should probably be given this. Someone mentioned cytokine storms and they are largely ignoring the evidence that the CDC itself has posted stating flatly that H1N1 is not much different from regular seasonal flu. There are larger things in the world to worry about, but if someone wants to harp and orbit this topic, everyone needs a hobby, I suppose.

I say to you, enjoy yourselves. It's later than you think.

I've come to agree with you on this.

I do think that the numbers of this flu are way out of whack. Here they are reporting all flu cases as H1N1, even though the local doctors say few of the cases are actually H1N1, but rather another flu virus. They have apparently been told to report the flu in this manner, why? Well I'd suppose to try and scare everyone..........

No flu shots for me either.

[kathyfit]

Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter

I've come to agree with you on this.

I do think that the numbers of this flu are way out of whack. Here they are reporting all flu cases as H1N1, even though the local doctors say few of the cases are actually H1N1, but rather another flu virus. They have apparently been told to report the flu in this manner, why? Well I'd suppose to try and scare everyone..........

No flu shots for me either.

Agree.....and some docs are not even testing for it, rather telling people that have the symptoms to stay home and not even come in unless it becomes life-threatening (like not being able to breathe). So, some cases are not even being counted.

DaddyR--- its our choice if we don't want a shot, no need to name-call. You're going to loose your presidential votes doing stuff like that! Just let those of us that own our bodies make the decisions for our bodies. We don't walk around calling those that choose not to workout "morons" or anything like that.....its a choice they made. We can try and influence them to change their ways, but name-calling will most likely make them run the other way.....just a thought???

[DaddyR]

Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter

...the local doctors say few of the cases are actually H1N1, but rather another flu virus...

Um, they are testing a good number of cases, and the overwhelming majority are coming up H1N1. There is a very very low level of other strains starting to appear in some areas, yes, but H1N1 is far and away the predominant strain across the U.S.

You might want to find some new doctors.

It's your choice yes but some choices make sense and are logical and others are just the result of ignorant fear-mongering. If we didn't treasure free speech so much I would be advocating lawsuits again people spreading false health information, since those who listen to them could be harmed.

If your doctor told you the vaccine wasn't worth taking and your unvaccinated kid died from the flu, would you not sue him into oblivion? I darned sure would!

[JolietKev]

I will be gettting the flu shot as will my son. I am not overly paranoid about it, however just taking the proper precautions. We probably will not be able to get it by the end of Nov though.

[Tofino]

Anecdote time!

Wife and I had H1N1 last week. Was in the doc for a prescription renew on Wednesday AM, and was feeling terrible since Tuesday night so mentioned it. She said it was definitely the flu, and that 98% of the time around this area now, flu means H1N1 as it's the only flu in town. Got some Tamiflu plus an extra prescription for the wife just in case, and headed home.

Freaking miserable two days. Complete exhaustion. Crashed on the couch with minimum 15 minutes lag time between "I need to go take a leak" to actually getting up. Mild fever and chills. Big headache and nasty cough. Wife ended up coming home mid-Wednesday with the same thing so we kept each other miserable for the week.

By Friday we were slightly better, but not "well", and the doc had said to stay away from people for 5 days to avoid passing it on. Hanging out at home relaxing for 5 days seems like a tremendous idea until you're *forced* to do it.

We had been down in Seattle on the weekend with a few friends for the football game, and 4 out of 6 came down with it. Only one had a bad fever and even he was able to keep his Facebook updated so how sick can ya be really?

In any case, for the majority of people, you're going to get a "relatively mild" flu like we did where you're just out of order for a couple days and maybe quarantined for another couple. Really it seems like your odds of hitting a really bad reaction, or pneumonia or something, are no different from the normal flu, but H1N1 gets all the press these days. Just keep eating healthy, wash your hands and don't put your fingers in your gob, and get Tamiflu if you come down with it.

[AKMass]

Originally Posted by Tofino

Anecdote time!

Wife and I had H1N1 last week. Was in the doc for a prescription renew on Wednesday AM, and was feeling terrible since Tuesday night so mentioned it. She said it was definitely the flu, and that 98% of the time around this area now, flu means H1N1 as it's the only flu in town. Got some Tamiflu plus an extra prescription for the wife just in case, and headed home.

Freaking miserable two days. Complete exhaustion. Crashed on the couch with minimum 15 minutes lag time between "I need to go take a leak" to actually getting up. Mild fever and chills. Big headache and nasty cough. Wife ended up coming home mid-Wednesday with the same thing so we kept each other miserable for the week.

By Friday we were slightly better, but not "well", and the doc had said to stay away from people for 5 days to avoid passing it on. Hanging out at home relaxing for 5 days seems like a tremendous idea until you're *forced* to do it.

We had been down in Seattle on the weekend with a few friends for the football game, and 4 out of 6 came down with it. Only one had a bad fever and even he was able to keep his Facebook updated so how sick can ya be really?

In any case, for the majority of people, you're going to get a "relatively mild" flu like we did where you're just out of order for a couple days and maybe quarantined for another couple. Really it seems like your odds of hitting a really bad reaction, or pneumonia or something, are no different from the normal flu, but H1N1 gets all the press these days. Just keep eating healthy, wash your hands and don't put your fingers in your gob, and get Tamiflu if you come down with it.

Were you actually tested for H1N1, or did the doc just assume you had it? I suspect a lot of these "reported cases" are not verified by testing.

[Bando]

My kids pediatrician had vaccine today, "1st come, 1st serve" for both seasonal and H1N1. My wife called me at work telling me to stop by the Dr's on the way home to see the chaos. When I got there they were out of H1N1 vaccine and the line looked like it was for tickets to a Pink Floyd reunion concert. They had 3 sheriffs there to keep the order, really wish I had my camera. I went and got them dinner to eat in line. They are just getting in now after over 2 hours in line.

[Tofino]

Originally Posted by AKMass

Were you actually tested for H1N1, or did the doc just assume you had it? I suspect a lot of these "reported cases" are not verified by testing.

Yeah, I was swabbed on Wednesday morning... but didn't find out until yesterday (6 days later) that it was positive .

[bigvin73]

It has not been that bad just a flu. Everyone in my house (me wife and 4 kids) have it starting about a day apart doc did not test and said they are just assuming. Outside of the fever and aches it is not a real issue unless you have kids with respitory issues (luckily we do not). The worst part of this dam flu is that i am missing a week of training and probably loosing weight/muscle cause i can't train or eat very well atm. My kids are al good just sleeping a lot (isn't always a bad thing its quiet) wife is asleep a lot as well but honestly it is not that bad. Just my 2 cents worth

[socket]

Originally Posted by bigvin73

It has not been that bad just a flu. Everyone in my house (me wife and 4 kids) have it starting about a day apart doc did not test and said they are just assuming. Outside of the fever and aches it is not a real issue unless you have kids with respitory issues (luckily we do not). The worst part of this dam flu is that i am missing a week of training and probably loosing weight/muscle cause i can't train or eat very well atm. My kids are al good just sleeping a lot (isn't always a bad thing its quiet) wife is asleep a lot as well but honestly it is not that bad. Just my 2 cents worth

My 9 year old son and 12 year old daughter both had it. Chills, fever, headaches, body aches...etc. Took son to doc cause he started getting a deep caugh a few days after the fever broke, they just wanted to make sure he wasn't getting respretory infection. He was cleared and has been fine since. Doc said all cases right now of flu like symptoms are H1N1, they are getting 12 or more kids a day come in with it. Both my son's and daughter's classes have had a dozen or more students sick with it in the last 3-4 weeks.
I had chills and severe headache for a few days after my son was sick.....but didn't miss work and just layed off training for a few days. Wife didn't get it yet, as well as my oldest son and youngest son....hope they don't, but as many that are sick , who knows.
Here is what confuses me, the doc said the test for N1H1 is not full proof. If you test positive, you have it, but if you test negative....it doesn't mean anything. Huh? So what good is the test if its not full proof?
I understand the concern over this flu, as it seems to be very hard on the young, and being a parent, I can't think of anything worse then seeing one of my children in ICU over a flu. Its a worse case senerio, but it does happen. That said, it happens with seasonal flu as well.
I don't take flu shots cause my wife is a nurse and every year she gets a shot, and low and behold, she gets the flu anyway every flu season. I have only had the flu twice in the last decade and have never had a shot. Thats just my opinion....i choose to take my chances.
No beef with anyone else for their feelings on this, to each their own.
If you or your family member(s) get the flu, I wish you all a speedy and full recovery. Now back to bodybuilding!

[DaddyR]

I agree with EM on the no fear part. There's no cause to panic. But the same thing goes for the vaccine: there's no reason to be afraid of a little needle and certainly not a proven safe and effective vaccine. I don't live in fear of either flu or vaccines and I do the smart thing and protect myself.

I know the comment about closing the schools was a joke, but if any of you have been watching the news sites, a lot of schools are now having to close just recently because so many kids are out sick.

[Old_Swole]

I thought we were all supposed to die from the bird flu last year, and here we all are.

[agntorange]

Originally Posted by Old_Swole

I thought we were all supposed to die from the bird flu last year, and here we all are.

nope, i coud have told you bird flu was a nothingburger and was way overblown. it simply doesnt have the right mechanisms to infect a lot of people. now, if for some reason it meets up with the swine flu and recombines we could be in a world of hurt.

i can however tell you the swine flu is an entirely different animal and needs to be watched closely. this is NOT a nothingburger.

[sbcrockett]

Originally Posted by agntorange

this is NOT a nothingburger.

really? I live in Seattle where the seasonal flu hasn't even made an appearance, so based on the symptoms and this location, I had this "dreaded" swine flu all week. It was MUCH milder than the regular seasonal flu I had about 10 years ago. My kids had it too, but it didn't seem to knock them as low as me. I had mild fever, kinda up and down for about 2-3 days. Some aches in joints and mostly just extrememe exhaustion. Stayed home from work for 4 days. Back now, but energy is still low, but I'm functional.

I would say this swine flu was a walk in the park compared to some other colds I've had!!! I'm sick of the media ramping up the public into this frenzy. I spotted that happening during the Mexico panic. Seemed they wanted nothing more than to scare everbody to death about this stupid flu.

[namtrag]

besides, by the time the ****ing vaccine is available we all will have already gotten sick

[mavrick77]

Originally Posted by morderstwo

no need to totally eliminate. if u train & are in good health u should be fine. swine flu kills the weak & the frail, but so does any serious flu & always has in the past. i know a few people that had it, they went down for a few weeks, but recovered fine.

I must be weak and frail..... I have had the flu for the past week, only got one workout in....I tried to train last night, but about passed out, and only got 2 sets in before I had to leave.

[bustasinclair]

Originally Posted by mavrick77

I must be weak and frail..... I have had the flu for the past week, only got one workout in....I tried to train last night, but about passed out, and only got 2 sets in before I had to leave.

Same here. I actually took about 9 days off training. Still trying to recover

[DaddyR]

Originally Posted by sbcrockett

...I would say this swine flu was a walk in the park compared to some other colds I've had!!! ...

It is, for most healthy people.

The reason it is of so much concern is that so many more people are vulnerable to it (almost nobody has any existing immunity) so that even if it only makes you mildly ill, you and lots of other are going to miss work (a huge economic cost) and even if only the usual very small percentage die, since so many more are becoming infected, that very small percentage could still add up to a shocking number of deaths once this is all over with.

So the effect on the average guy is moderate since it's really not that bad to most of us. But the effect on our economy is going to be bad (though hmmm who would notice since that's already gone down the toilet?) and the body count and number of folks grieving for dead relatives could be significant.

[PS0303]

Got sick Wednesday night after my workout. Fever, chills, bad head and body ache. Slept almost all day. Today it's better. Have been coughing more today and I have a very soar throat. Drinking plenty of water and Gatorade.

I have been told the flu going around right now is the H1N1 so that is what I must have.

[Whiskeyjack]

Originally Posted by JolietKev

I will be gettting the flu shot as will my son. I am not overly paranoid about it, however just taking the proper precautions. We probably will not be able to get it by the end of Nov though.

I just got both regular and H1N1 shots today, one in each arm. I got it early due having an underlying condition. Glad to have done it.

[GoogleFreak]

Time to educate people here is a link what you should do and shouldn't do pertaining to the swine flu.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...nfections.aspx

Btw the swine flu vaccine is useless since more than likely it will mutate.

[Equalizing]

Originally Posted by GoogleFreak

Btw the swine flu vaccine is useless since more than likely it will mutate.

Not the case for the vaccine being used in Canada and most European countries, as those nations opted to use an adjuvanted H1N1 vaccine, which will provide cross protection against a mutating virus.

For whatever reason, America opted to use an unadjuvanted vaccine.

I was fortunate enough to have gotten my adjuvanted vaccine 2 days ago.

[namtrag]

Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack

I just got both regular and H1N1 shots today, one in each arm. I got it early due having an underlying condition. Glad to have done it.

must be nice...I couldn't get swine flu vaccine even if I wanted it...none available.

[Whiskeyjack]

Originally Posted by namtrag

must be nice...I couldn't get swine flu vaccine even if I wanted it...none available.

I only got it because I fall into the early warning category: under 65, no family doctor, underlying medical condition. But I'm glad to have gotten it; it's like having an insurance policy. I do think that if you are healthy and taking precautions you might not need it as much; but in my case (and cases like mine) you can't afford to take the chance.

[Dutchman]

Reports such as CBS's expose are showing that H1N1 only amounts to 12% to 2% of the reported flu cases being reported. Many states have stopped doing spcific testing and are lumping everything in the H1N1 basket. I guess the tremendous profits going to Big Pharma allow for all kinds of abuse of data in the interest of su7ch profits.

[Equalizing]

Originally Posted by Dutchman

Reports such as CBS's expose are showing that H1N1 only amounts to 12% to 2% of the reported flu cases being reported. Many states have stopped doing spcific testing and are lumping everything in the H1N1 basket. I guess the tremendous profits going to Big Pharma allow for all kinds of abuse of data in the interest of su7ch profits.

There isn't a seasonal flu circulating through the community. There is one flu and it is H1N1.

This isn't a conspiracy, it's a fact and the fact is that H1N1 is the currently active flu strain.

As far as testing goes, Canada, even during the first wave, only tested for confirmation of the virus when people were hospitalized. It's too expensive to test every citizen who is showing symptoms of H1N1.

It's easy to believe in conspiracies, less so if you apply those conspiracies to a tiny little country like Canada that has just four times the population of New York City.