Should an undefeated Iowa...

bbacn123 · 10-31-2009, 02:50 PM

Hypothetically of course, should an undefeated Iowa make the NC game over a 1 loss Fla/Bama/Tex/USC?

It's unfortunate, but I'd have to say yes. I understand that it could very likely set up another boring blowout NC title game, but I think they deserve the shot at that point. Now if 2 of Bama, Tex, and Fla are also undefeated, then this isnt even a debate because that will be the NC game, but I dont think two of them will be undefeated.

So what do you think? Do they DESERVE it? Keep in mind im not asking what you'd rather see when you answer this question, because we'd all rather see a better match-up I think.

dogyo · 10-31-2009, 02:54 PM

No.

Wait for edit as to reasons why.

dalynchmob · 10-31-2009, 02:55 PM

In that situation, yes they would deserve it.

They would have been 12-0
-beaten 4 tough teams, in very tough places (MSU, PSU, OSU and Wiscy)
-They as of now have one of the highest rated SOS

They don't win pretty, but they win. To penalize them for not having style points is stupid.

TheDude1987 · 10-31-2009, 02:57 PM

No just because I don't want to see a blowout in the big game again.

bbacn123 · 10-31-2009, 02:58 PM

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No just because I don't want to see a blowout in the big game again.

Negged for not reading the question (serious)

Uh_Oh · 10-31-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dalynchmob

In that situation, yes they would deserve it.

They would have been 12-0
-beaten 4 tough teams, in very tough places (MSU, PSU, OSU and Wiscy)
-They as of now have one of the highest rated SOS

They don't win pretty, but they win. To penalize them for not having style points is stupid.

says the iowa fan.

cncman · 10-31-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dalynchmob

In that situation, yes they would deserve it.

They would have been 12-0
-beaten 4 tough teams, in very tough places (MSU, PSU, OSU and Wiscy)
-They as of now have one of the highest rated SOS

They don't win pretty, but they win. To penalize them for not having style points is stupid.

Those are tough teams? Hmmm lets see where they sit as of halfway through the season. Penalizing for no style points? See Texas last year. Quit being such an Iowa homer, they are ok.

Madanzi · 10-31-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dalynchmob

-They as of now have one of the highest rated SOS

this is something that won't change, there is a huge gap in how strong their schedule is rated vs the other top teams for some reason

Mafiafolife77 · 10-31-2009, 02:59 PM

iowa is the most piece of sh!t overrated team in this country. I hope they win out and hopefully theyll meet usc or oregon in the rose and get their oakie-ass teeth knocked in.

bbacn123 · 10-31-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Madanzi

this is something that won't change, there is a huge gap in how strong their schedule is rated vs the other top teams for some reason

It's probably because they didnt play any Div II teams that would drag the SOS down like the others did. Still, Tex/Fla/Bama have all played tougher opponents.

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Nevermind Texas didnt play any Div II teams. I dont know that SOS makes no sense then.

Madanzi · 10-31-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mafiafolife77

iowa is the most piece of sh!t overrated team in this country. I hope they win out and hopefully theyll meet usc or oregon in the rose and get their oakie-ass teeth knocked in.

because USC is a MUCH better team than OSU this year amirite (not srs)

V10Kyle · 10-31-2009, 03:02 PM

No, because nobody wants to see Iowa get their ass kicked in a national title game.

bbacn123 · 10-31-2009, 03:04 PM

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No, because nobody wants to see Iowa get their ass kicked in a national title game.

Not what I asked....negged

Madanzi · 10-31-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bbacn123

It's probably because they didnt play any Div II teams that would drag the SOS down like the others did. Still, Tex/Fla/Bama have all played tougher opponents.

I personally don't feel Texas has played a tougher opponent than Penn State to this point, but alot of college football ranking is based on opinion anyways.

dalynchmob · 10-31-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cncman

Those are tough teams? Hmmm lets see where they sit as of halfway through the season. Penalizing for no style points? See Texas last year. Quit being such an Iowa homer, they are ok.

They are tough teams, especially at home. Are they great teams? No, but they are good.

Texas lost a game later in the year, if they wouldnt have lost that game and taken care of business they would of been in the title game.

Wins vs OSU, Wiscy, MSU, PSU, Arizona are just as good as wins against TT, MU, OK (Texas)

2 teams in the history of the B10 has won @ MSU, Wiscy, and PSU in the same year, one was '97 Nat Champs Michigan and '09 Iowa. Not saying Iowa is as good as that Michigan team just making a point.

I have never said Iowa is a great or elite team, but if they go 12-0 and those other teams have a loss they should go in above them.

bbacn123 · 10-31-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Madanzi

I personally don't feel Texas has played a tougher opponent than Penn State to this point, but alot of college football ranking is based on opinion anyways.

I'll actually partially agree with you on this after looking at the schedules. I'd say it's more even. Ok St is about as good as Penn St. (after they play tonight of course) and OU is about as good as Ohio St. So overall I'd say the schedules are pretty even between the two.

jump_man23 · 10-31-2009, 03:09 PM

if they run the table they deserve to be in more than a 1 loss team imo

TheDude1987 · 10-31-2009, 03:09 PM

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Not what I asked....negged

You asked if they deserve it. We said they do not because they're going to get their asses kicked. In a system based on speculation it's as valid an opinion as any. Stop being a phaggot.

lois_feldman · 10-31-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bbacn123

Not what I asked....negged

LOL @ negging bitter losers

Repped.

cncman · 10-31-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dalynchmob

They are tough teams, especially at home. Are they great teams? No, but they are good.

Texas lost a game later in the year, if they wouldnt have lost that game and taken care of business they would of been in the title game.

Wins vs OSU, Wiscy, MSU, PSU, Arizona are just as good as wins against TT, MU, OK (Texas)

2 teams in the history of the B10 has won @ MSU, Wiscy, and PSU in the same year, one was '97 Nat Champs Michigan and '09 Iowa. Not saying Iowa is as good as that Michigan team just making a point.

I have never said Iowa is a great or elite team, but if they go 12-0 and those other teams have a loss they should go in above them.

And Utah went undefeated and wasnt given a chance at the NC? Iowa just is not strong enough.

bbacn123 · 10-31-2009, 03:12 PM

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You asked if they deserve. We said they do not because they're going to get their asses kicked. In a system based on speculation it's as valid an opinion as any. Stop being a phaggot.

Nope, not what I asked.

Just because you think they will get their ass kicked is not a reason not to let them in. That's why I said don't post an answer because you'd rather see a better matchup. That's not what this thread is about.

Id like a better reason than your speculation of them getting their ass handed to them as to why they should be kept out. You clearly didn't want to (or maybe couldnt) give an actual reason for them to be kept out under the scenario.

Im not arguing with you. You've already been negged. Quit whining or I'll neg you again after I spread.

bobmuscle · 10-31-2009, 03:13 PM

lol at big school fans mad because a no name state school is threatening a top spot

Madanzi · 10-31-2009, 03:14 PM

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And Utah went undefeated and wasnt given a chance at the NC? Iowa just is not strong enough.

If you're comparing the 2, I would assume that means you also think the 2008 utes weren't strong enough? I think you'd be wrong.

cncman · 10-31-2009, 03:14 PM

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lol at big school fans mad because a no name state school is unjustly threatening a top spot

Fixed, and Iowa will lose in the next few games.

dalynchmob · 10-31-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cncman

And Utah went undefeated and wasnt given a chance at the NC? Iowa just is not strong enough.

And they had a good argument to say they should have been, if anything that just makes a case for Iowa.

If Iowa is undefeated they will have done so playing one of the tougher SOS in the nation. Hard to argue against a Texas or USC that have a similar or less SOS and 1 loss. Depending on who Bama or Florida lose to makes a difference to.

lois_feldman · 10-31-2009, 03:16 PM

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Fixed, and Texas will lose in the next few games.

Fixed.

bobmuscle · 10-31-2009, 03:17 PM

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Iowa will lose in the next few games.

maybe, but thats what many have said 5-6 weeks ago

TheDude1987 · 10-31-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bbacn123

Nope, not what I asked.

Just because you think they will get their ass kicked is not a reason not to let them in. That's why I said don't post an answer because you'd rather see a better matchup. That's not what this thread is about.

Id like a better reason than your speculation of them getting their ass handed to them as to why they should be kept out. You clearly didn't want to (or maybe couldnt) give an actual reason for them to be kept out under the scenario.

Im not arguing with you. You've already been negged. Quit whining or I'll neg you again after I spread.

They're green dots on an online forum. Neg me all you want. The entire college football system is based on speculation. My reason is that Big 10 teams always get their asses kicked when they go out of conference. Let's be reality, Iowa is barely a top 10 team.

cncman · 10-31-2009, 03:19 PM

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Fixed.

neg into red on recharge

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maybe, but thats what many have said 5-6 weeks ago

I am not against Iowa in a NC, it would just be a big letdown imo.

bbacn123 · 10-31-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalynchmob

And they had a good argument to say they should have been, if anything that just makes a case for Iowa.

If Iowa is undefeated they will have done so playing one of the tougher SOS in the nation. Hard to argue against a Texas or USC that have a similar or less SOS and 1 loss. Depending on who Bama or Florida lose to makes a difference to.

I assume Bama and Florida are only gonna lose to each other because they've got some easy match-ups down the stretch, meaning one of the two will be undefeated.