MISC lifters tell me wtf I can do to get those obliques and a better ab section(srs)

[cyde]

Hanging leg raises (strict form) will destroy your abs. Use the slings if your gym has them.

[terzter]

Originally Posted by mammothreis

not every muscle group works the same way. you should know that. iso holds help improve stability, and increase core strength, which in turn help improve other muscle groups. they do not necessarily get you shred or build abs, but the overall benefit should not be ignored. I use them with all the sports teams i train. and ask any other personal trainer and 90% of them incorporate iso's.

hes talking about aesthetics.

and yes there are differences in muscle groups and the applications in growing them each the fastest. Yes, abs are more resilient, requiring high reps (~15), higher volume, higher frequency. But the difference for abs is not that big for planks to be effective. Christ, calves are the toughest sonofabtches and even for those, isometrics are not effective....

Originally Posted by Suit

Ya I did read it, and I stand by it. OP may not do them... Notice how he doesn't even remember how much he can deadlift? or how he hardly does squats and does them at a real low weight?

That makes me think those are not part of his routine, same with military press since he didn't even mention it.

Why do you think everyone else is telling him the same thing I am?

im sure his core melted away after pulling 400 LOL brb lying in bed all day

...and a lot of people still believe heavy compounds are enough for abs /wtf?

Originally Posted by cyde

Hanging leg raises (strict form) will destroy your abs. Use the slings if your gym has them.

what are slings and how is it used?

[DGreekStallion]

Planks, hanging leg raises (like said above), janda sit ups.

[mammothreis]

Originally Posted by terzter

hes talking about aesthetics.

and yes there are differences in muscle groups and the applications in growing them each the fastest. Yes, abs are more resilient, requiring high reps (~15), higher volume, higher frequency. But the difference for abs is not that big for planks to be effective. Christ, calves are the toughest sonofabtches and even for those, isometrics are not effective....




im sure his core melted away after pulling 400 LOL brb lying in bed all day

...and a lot of people still believe heavy compounds are enough for abs /wtf?




what are slings and how is it used?

you stand on your calves all day???? iso's would not have any effect on GAINING SIZE at all. on the other hand.... i don't think that the op is looking to GAIN SIZE in his midsection. I think he said TIGHTEN. Comparing a muscle like your calves to your core doesn't make sense. That means he would like to work on those stabilizer muscles, his obliques and abs. Do me a favor and plank for 5 minute and tell me if those stabilizer muscles don't start to fire off right away...

[terzter]

Originally Posted by mammothreis

you stand on your calves all day???? iso's would not have any effect on GAINING SIZE at all. on the other hand.... i don't think that the op is looking to GAIN SIZE in his midsection. I think he said TIGHTEN. Comparing a muscle like your calves to your core doesn't make sense. That means he would like to work on those stabilizer muscles, his obliques and abs. Do me a favor and plank for 5 minute and tell me if those stabilizer muscles don't start to fire off right away...

ok....pce (edit: i meant done arguing, not actually brb'n lol!)

[cyde]

Originally Posted by terzter

what are slings and how is it used?

Otherwise you have you hang from a pull-up bar. It sucks at first, but eventually it'll improve your grip.

[Valeros]

I use just do sit-ups with a strong focus on the movement. Abs are just like any other muscle, don't work them directly everyday.

[terzter]

Originally Posted by cyde

Otherwise you have you hang from a pull-up bar. It sucks at first, but eventually it'll improve your grip.

ahh i see! Actually my gym has a leg raise machine, lucky luck I got elbow pads

[mammothreis]

Originally Posted by cyde

Otherwise you have you hang from a pull-up bar. It sucks at first, but eventually it'll improve your grip.

sometimes if my arms feel weak I'll do these on the dip bar. Helps for people who have a weaker grip

[mammothreis]

Originally Posted by terzter

ok....pce (edit: i meant done arguing, not actually brb'n lol!)

good discussion.

[FryDude]

pretty huge lifts... i thought youd look a lot bigger with those #'s.

[monoshunter]

if you want to tighten up midsection lose some fat. can't spot reduce.

/thread.

[tyrek04]

Originally Posted by Suit

Do you think he never did those big compound movements? Ever put that into consideration? OP's lower back aint that great lookin compared to chest/arms/upper back.

OP do you do Squats/Deads/Standing Military press or no?

Naw, thats why I typed all that info.. Squats, Deads, and Standing Mil. Press are a thing of the past... I think I should re-incorporate them though..

Originally Posted by Achilles87

strong frauding on lifting stats

All of em or which one in particular...A video can be arranged brah...

Originally Posted by cyde

Hanging leg raises (strict form) will destroy your abs. Use the slings if your gym has them.

Dang...thx for this recommendation.. lol, I remember these vaguely...pain and lots of it..haha

Originally Posted by terzter

hes talking about aesthetics.




im sure his core melted away after pulling 400 LOL brb lying in bed all day

...and a lot of people still believe heavy compounds are enough for abs /wtf?




what are slings and how is it used?

Like I said, I graduated, and wrestling season was almost a year ago, not to mention with my friend dying, I literally did just lie around all day..(srs)

Originally Posted by DGreekStallion

Planks, hanging leg raises (like said above), janda sit ups.

Thx...will try

Originally Posted by cyde

Otherwise you have you hang from a pull-up bar. It sucks at first, but eventually it'll improve your grip.

thx again for pics and what-not

Originally Posted by FryDude

pretty huge lifts... i thought youd look a lot bigger with those #'s.

lol, you call those huge lifts brah?

[tlabowski01]

Do some heavy squats and hanging leg raises!

[MartialArtist06]

His chest isn't that freaking terrible, I've definitely seen worse. Anyway he probably just does a lot of heavy flat bench. I have the same problem but I still have to get my flat bench up before I'm going to work incline, I think you should start hammering off incline barbell, and dumbell bench OP.

[TighTWhipS]

Originally Posted by mammothreis

not every muscle group works the same way. you should know that. iso holds help improve stability, and increase core strength, which in turn help improve other muscle groups. they do not necessarily get you shred or build abs, but the overall benefit should not be ignored. I use them with all the sports teams i train. and ask any other personal trainer and 90% of them incorporate iso's.

Stong usage of random statistic.


Also

"Will Plank for food"

hmm...you like planks dawg??

[tyrek04]

Originally Posted by tlabowski01

Do some heavy squats and hanging leg raises!

Nah brah.. I dont **** with heavy squats... Light ones maybe , but after a long run, that isn't the best for your shins, and knees, and above else, I need shins and knees for where I'm trying to go..

[tyrek04]

Originally Posted by MartialArtist06

His chest isn't that freaking terrible, I've definitely seen worse. Anyway he probably just does a lot of heavy flat bench. I have the same problem but I still have to get my flat bench up before I'm going to work incline, I think you should start hammering off incline barbell, and dumbell bench OP.

Been meaning to hit those.. thx.. and ya.. Like I said (I think) in my litttle bio portion.. ALL I use to do was heavy ass bench press...To this day I can always no matter how much weight I lose hit 225 at least 5-6 times..The consequence is big ol' boobs lol.

[mammothreis]

Originally Posted by TighTWhipS

Stong usage of random statistic.


Also

"Will Plank for food"

hmm...you like planks dawg??

figured it seemed like a believable number eh? haha, jk. I incorporate a lot of active rest in my workouts because i don't do much cardio.

[Anon73o]

You should check out some Ross Enamait routines. I picked up his routine from his book Infinite Intensity and it has killed me so far. Here's an example conditioning workout

Interval Training
4x800m
4x50m

4 x 800 meters = four intervals, each consisting of 800 meters. You will run 800 meters, and then rest 60 to 90 seconds before performing the second interval. You will continue until four intervals are completed.

Upon completing the 800 meter intervals, you will finish with 4 x 50 meter sprints. Sprint 50 meters, jog back to the starting line, and continue until four sprints are completed.

(followed by)

Core Training #1

The Flag x5
Side Bends x6 per side
Supermans x15
Medicine Ball Twist Throws x16 (8 per side)
Repeat this circuit 3 to 5 times

[Langonelives]

Originally Posted by Horns3

this, i don't even work abs, they hurt enough after cardio anyway

lololol

[nhanxsolo]

the best exercise for side obliques is side bends with weights... i start off with 45 and if you havent done them yet, the first time you do them youll feel the burn the day after and you'll see a difference immediately.

[blananana4]

who the fck cares how big your ab muscles are? As long as your abs are visible bitches are happy.