More Muslims Caught in Terror Plot!

[j miller]

Originally Posted by bigorexic84

the amount of hypocrisy just floors me.

there truly is NOWAY to please you guys. you guys go around talking about how this is destroying america and how islam is all hate filled, yet you dont socialize with ANY muslims. thas like me saying crazy ass thing about martians and ive never even met one. when muslims are TELLING you that we dont support this kinda stuff and we are SURROUNDED by muslims and know them personally, you seem to attack it and not take the truth of it. but the second an outrageous claim is thrown in you jump on board. ANYTHING that has to do with ANYTHING about islam, you jump all over it, life much? anyone who disagrees with you morally or politically you call them anti american, and yet seem to totally be undermining the essence of america by having free speech and free thought. dont talk about how ppl are destroying your country and hate freedom, yet put ur own disclaimer about how you are free to do anything, but to not say anything that would dispute with my own thoughts. get over yourselves. granted this will ALL go unheard and you will remain untouched. none of you will take any of this advice and expand ur social circles by socializing with ur local muslim communities. none of you will go visit a lical mosque, and will continue to bash them. luckily i have a great community that i know does social service programs, visits other worship places, has interfaith community events, and we all get along. thank god for ppl like this who decide to open their mind, cuz its for sure made my town a great place. its just sad that you ppl arent open to it.

i said it before, i guess ill say it again. as much as we deny and reject such things, ppl will beleive what they want to and haters gonna hate.

i dont know y i even try.

cf. www.muslimsagainsthunger.com

[ripper6]

Originally Posted by zman155

Um. Who invaded the country to find weapons of mass destruction which were never really there.

Who signed a surrender treaty in the first gulf war that included disarming and discontinuing attempts at reviving or procuring weapons of mass destruction?

Who refused to allow the UN and the US to inspect and monitor locations in Iraq that were suspected of being used in the development of weapons of mass destruction?

Who expelled all the inspectors?

Who daily launched anti-aircraft fire on US planes doing overflights to monitor suspect locations?

Who kept issuing threats against the US, and sent out assasination squads to attempt to kill Americans - including Pres. Bush I?

If someone threatens the police with a gun, and the police tell them to turn over the gun, and they refuse, and then the police shoot them, and then the police find out the gun wasn't loaded, WHOSE fault is that? If others are killed/injured in the collateral damage, whose fault is that?

Sadaam kept waving his gun around, and even though it turned out later to be empty, he got what should have been expected from the US.

[ripper6]

Originally Posted by markymark69

people on this forum consistently perpetuate this false premise that the viewpoints of muslim terrorists reflect the viewpoints of a majority of muslims....

I don't know if muslim terrorist reflect the view of all "muslims" or the majority of "muslims". What is ABSOLUTELY clear to the terrorists and their supporters AND their victims is that the terrorists do reflect ISLAM as preached and practiced by its founder Muhammad.

The terrorists say so, ex-muslims say so, those of us who study the teachings and actions of Muhammad and the history of Islam see it.

Years ago, studying the teachings and life of Muhammad I understood clearly that the "extremists" were the real muslims, not the so-called "moderates" who might be the majority. And, that if I were to convert to Islam I would join the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Wahabis, etc.. as they are the truest expression of Islam in the world today. They are truly following in the footsteps of Muhammad.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c.../muslim/quran/

008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers: SMITE YE ABOVE THEIR NECKS AND SMITE ALL THEIR FINGER-TIPS OFF THEM."
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. THEN SMITE THE NECKS AND SMITE OF THEM EACH FINGER.
SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and strike off every fingertip of them.
008.060
YUSUFALI: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike TERROR into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
PICKTHAL: MAKE READY FOR THEM ALL THOU CANST OF (ARMED) FORCE and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.
SHAKIR: AND PREPARE AGAINST THEM WHAT FORCE YOU CAN and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
009.029
YUSUFALI: FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT AND SLAY THE PAGANS WHEREVER YE FIND THEM, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
003.151
YUSUFALI: Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
PICKTHAL: We shall cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: We will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
008.007
YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;-
PICKTHAL: And when Allah promised you one of the two bands (of the enemy) that it should be yours, and ye longed that other than the armed one might be yours. And Allah willed that He should cause the Truth to triumph by His words, and cut the root of the disbelievers;
SHAKIR: And when Allah promised you one of the two parties that it shall be yours and you loved that the one not armed should he yours and Allah desired to manifest the truth of what was true by His words and to cut off the root of the unbelievers.
005.033
YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[ripper6]

Originally Posted by bigorexic84

the amount of hypocrisy just floors me.

there truly is NOWAY to please you guys. you guys go around talking about how this is destroying america and how islam is all hate filled, yet you dont socialize with ANY muslims. thas like me saying crazy ass thing about martians and ive never even met one. when muslims are TELLING you that we dont support this kinda stuff and we are SURROUNDED by muslims and know them personally, you seem to attack it and not take the truth of it. but the second an outrageous claim is thrown in you jump on board. ANYTHING that has to do with ANYTHING about islam, you jump all over it, life much? anyone who disagrees with you morally or politically you call them anti american, and yet seem to totally be undermining the essence of america by having free speech and free thought. dont talk about how ppl are destroying your country and hate freedom, yet put ur own disclaimer about how you are free to do anything, but to not say anything that would dispute with my own thoughts. get over yourselves. granted this will ALL go unheard and you will remain untouched. none of you will take any of this advice and expand ur social circles by socializing with ur local muslim communities. none of you will go visit a lical mosque, and will continue to bash them. luckily i have a great community that i know does social service programs, visits other worship places, has interfaith community events, and we all get along. thank god for ppl like this who decide to open their mind, cuz its for sure made my town a great place. its just sad that you ppl arent open to it.

i said it before, i guess ill say it again. as much as we deny and reject such things, ppl will beleive what they want to and haters gonna hate.

i dont know y i even try.

You could have said the same thing about Nazis, or KKK members, etc.. How many of them have you met/known socially? Should we believe their members when they say the Holocaust was a myth and that they never commit lynchings or violence?

I've met/know many muslims socially AND EX-muslims too. The ex-muslims are very clear and accurate about the mortal danger of Islam. The moderate "muslims" are equivocal or evasive.

Wake up!

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by ripper6

The guy on the right doesn't look too comfortable being so close to the business end of that sword...

[bigorexic84]

Originally Posted by psamty

You are complaining about people you don't know, who are complaining about other people you don't know. No one was blaming you for anything in any case. But if you are looking into this, you might as well look into that as well.

Tell me one thing, you claim Israel is evil as well (I've seen your other posts). Do you know any Israelis? Do you hang out with them? Do you visit Israel to find out about it? Do you believe the Israeli government when it categorically denies hurting civilians?

Or do you look at their actions?

There, you will find your answer.

Keep in mind I'm not claiming all Muslims are terrorists, I'm simply breaking down your argument (that you should listen to what people say instead of look at what they do, or that people of a faith/nationality can ever fairly judge their own actions).

yeah, i am friends with israelis. i fa SHO do not agree with them, and think what they do is heinous, but without a dialog where the hell does that leave you. i went to a high school in ohio, and went to osu, so yeah theres no way i could get away with not knowing israelis. and we had plenty of dialogues with the cjp and the hillel center. so yeah.

Originally Posted by ripper6

You could have said the same thing about Nazis, or KKK members, etc.. How many of them have you met/known socially? Should we believe their members when they say the Holocaust was a myth and that they never commit lynchings or violence?

I've met/know many muslims socially AND EX-muslims too. The ex-muslims are very clear and accurate about the mortal danger of Islam. The moderate "muslims" are equivocal or evasive.

Wake up!

yeah i could say the same thing about kkk or nazis if they didnt have agendas that explicitly state their intent and then support those same agendas openly and not refute them.

and if u TRULY believe that a muslim lifestyle poses a mortal danger to you. i feel sorry for you. and believe me in awake. how is it that for hundreds of years everything is fine, and the second a large lobby appears in america that has financial stake in the area and personal interests, suddenly they become the bad guys?

look, for the most part i truly believe that most ppl are good, and noone is sayin stuff out of hate. even u ppl who are vehemently anti-muslim, i dont think that you are jus hatin to hate, youre saying it due to some reason that u think that ull somehow improve me by making me not believe.

i dont know y i get roped into these arguments on rnp, they go nowhere, noone changes their viewpoints, noone changes their mind. so useless. but it seems like no matter how much i wanna tell you about the great things about islam.... it wont matter. so u guys can chalk this up as a victory for yourselves, cuz nothing will change and its the internet. it sux that theres alot of ppl that only believe in the worse in other ppl. congrats brahs. im OUT

[Dave22reborn]

Originally Posted by bigorexic84

yeah, i am friends with israelis. i fa SHO do not agree with them, and think what they do is heinous, but without a dialog where the hell does that leave you. i went to a high school in ohio, and went to osu, so yeah theres no way i could get away with not knowing israelis. and we had plenty of dialogues with the cjp and the hillel center. so yeah.



yeah i could say the same thing about kkk or nazis if they didnt have agendas that explicitly state their intent and then support those same agendas openly and not refute them.

and if u TRULY believe that a muslim lifestyle poses a mortal danger to you. i feel sorry for you. and believe me in awake. how is it that for hundreds of years everything is fine, and the second a large lobby appears in america that has financial stake in the area and personal interests, suddenly they become the bad guys?

look, for the most part i truly believe that most ppl are good, and noone is sayin stuff out of hate. even u ppl who are vehemently anti-muslim, i dont think that you are jus hatin to hate, youre saying it due to some reason that u think that ull somehow improve me by making me not believe.

i dont know y i get roped into these arguments on rnp, they go nowhere, noone changes their viewpoints, noone changes their mind. so useless. but it seems like no matter how much i wanna tell you about the great things about islam.... it wont matter. so u guys can chalk this up as a victory for yourselves, cuz nothing will change and its the internet. it sux that theres alot of ppl that only believe in the worse in other ppl. congrats brahs. im OUT

What about during Thomas Jefferson's presidency???

Several Muslim countries along the North African coast had established the tradition of plundering the ships of European and American merchants in the western Mediterranean and eastern Atlantic, capturing the crews and then demanding ransom from the respective governments for their release. In a joint message to their superiors in Congress, Adams and Jefferson described the audacity of these terrorist attacks, pirates leaping onto defenseless ships with daggers clenched in their teeth. They had asked the ambassador from Tripoli, Adams and Jefferson explained, on what grounds these outrageous acts of unbridled savagery could be justified: "The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of the prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their [Islam's] authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners...."

This event occurred between 1784-1789 while Jefferson was ambassador to France and Adams (2nd president) was ambassador to England

[mehdi84]

Per his brother:

Tariq Mehanna is a 27 year old Muslim Egyptian American born and raised in the United States. Highly educated, Tariq holds a doctorate in pharmacy from the Massachusetts College of Pharmacy. He is a devout and tolerant Muslim who is not only respected in the local Islamic and interfaith communities, but who also gives back to his Islamic community by fulfilling the roles of brother, educator, mentor, scholar, and friend. Tariq is described by those who know him well as humble, reserved, warm, peaceful, intelligent, knowledgeable, reflective, pragmatic, dedicated, and straightforward. He is a person with strong ethical values who refuses to compromise on them regardless of the circumstances. It is unfortunate then that this customarily admirable trait plays a role in his current situation.

Several years ago, the Boston FBI began to approach Tariq. They recognized that he was a religious Muslim who was active in the local Islamic community, had earned the respect of many, and was beloved to the youth. The FBI recognized in Tariq an individual who is intelligent, charismatic, influential and trusted by many in the local Islamic community. They decided that they wanted Tariq on their side, and began to approach him in an effort to recruit him as an informant. Their objective was to secure Tariq as a tool to corroborate any FBI claims or accusations against members of the community that might arise, at the discretion of the FBI. Of course, Tariq flat out refused to backstab his fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, a decision that did not sit well at all with the FBI.

The FBI then proceeded to repeatedly approach Tariq over the coming months, each time pressuring him more and more to collaborate with them. This pressure most often came in the form of blackmail; Tariq was told that unless he consented to cooperating with the FBI, they would continue finding new ways to disrupt his life and to deprive him of a sense of security. He was told outright by interrogators that they knew he was innocent, but that they would not be satisfied with his refusal to cooperate. Regardless of whether their methods were unethical, coercive, or failed to respect his civil rights, the FBI were quite fortunate in catching an opportunity to arrest Tariq in 2008 based on a weak accusation of issuing "false statements" to a federal officer. After two months of imprisonment, his court-appointed attorney, Jay Carney, jr., was able to negotiate a bail settlement of $1,250,000. Tariq was subsequently released after this absurdly inflated amount was paid by his parents, who were desperate to have him return home safely.

Tariq did return home for nearly a year, living a quiet life, restricted by a court-ordered curfew, and monitored by FBI investigators. In the meantime, the case against him, based on "false testimony" charges, began to stagnate, and court dates were far and in between with no advances made by the FBI. Over time, the Mehanna family began to finally feel a sense of restored normalcy and stability in their lives. This feeling was suddenly and violently shattered during the fajr hours of October 21st, 2009, when FBI agents showed up at the Mehanna home doorstep at 5:00AM in the morning. Despite the lack of ANY new evidence since the prior arrest, the agents came with an arrest warrant. According to Dr. Ahmed Mehanna, Tariq's father, the agents were visibly excited and enthusiastic about their invasion of the Mehanna private household and the seizure and arrest of Tariq. The situation facing Tariq now is one where his second arrest means that there is no chance for bail. Tariq is currently incarcerated at the Plymouth Correctional Facility, where he is expected to remain for the several year duration of a new trial based on outright FALSE AND LUDICROUSE accusations of aiding and abetting terrorism. He currently faces LIFE IN PRISON if convicted guilty in a trial by grand jury. We must offer our greatest support and most dedicated effort if there is to be hope of Tariq's release. Thank you for taking the time to read this history, and we are confident that you will share our knowledge of Tariq's innocence. In addition, it is our sincere hope that the United States justice system remain true to its "innocent until proven guilty" origins, and for Tariq to receive a fair and just trial.

Is he innocent, until proven guilty?

[Alpha_Papa]

Originally Posted by mehdi84

Per his brother:

Reminds me of similar government deeds during the red scare. I suppose a world superpower needs 'a threat'.

[markymark69]

Originally Posted by Bushmaster

Um, you asked if I meant "X" when I clearly said "Y." Questions like that usually call for a "No" answer, which I gave you. I dunno where you've debated in the past, but as a rule you normally don't get to invert sht...



No, Jews I'm cool with.

Everybody else I say GTFO.

It is mind boggling that in this day and age you would even ask someone their faith when first meeting them and then summarily dismissing them because they didnt belong to a faith you liked.

Are you raising your kids to be bigots also?

[psamty]

Originally Posted by bigorexic84

yeah, i am friends with israelis. i fa SHO do not agree with them, and think what they do is heinous, but without a dialog where the hell does that leave you. i went to a high school in ohio, and went to osu, so yeah theres no way i could get away with not knowing israelis. and we had plenty of dialogues with the cjp and the hillel center. so yeah.

So then why do you claim that those who criticize Islam probably don't know any Muslims. You are friends with Israelis, yet you recognize that there are many things Zionism teaches that are plain wrong and unjust, and that lead to a lot of human suffering. Similarly, I have many Muslim friends, I grew up in the United Arab Emirates. Yet I criticize those Muslim teachings which are barbaric, such as the apostasy law and murder of homosexuals.

Why is it so hard to understand?

[Bushmaster]

Originally Posted by markymark69

It is mind boggling that in this day and age you would even ask someone their faith when first meeting them and then summarily dismissing them because they didnt belong to a faith you liked.

Are you raising your kids to be bigots also?

Yes.

You're not going to get under my skin, or intimidate me by calling me a bigot so you might as well give it up.

[markymark69]

Originally Posted by Bushmaster

Yes.

You're not going to get under my skin, or intimidate me by calling me a bigot so you might as well give it up.

Get under your skin or intimidate? Its the internet dude. Only weak minded people allow that to happen and certainly do not think you are weak minded...just a bigot.