cant take creatine anymore aparently

zackcyr · 10-21-2009, 03:01 PM

So the kidney doctor told me blood is high in "muscle enzymes" which apparently indicates higher breakdown of muscle than he thinks is safe, so he told me i can stay with protein, but no creatine. Not happy about it at all, hopefully i dont lose a lot of size

anant_shah94 · 10-21-2009, 03:03 PM

The only size you'll lose is water moving out of your muscles, muscle mass won't be lost.

OgMudbone · 10-21-2009, 03:04 PM

no more celltech????? how will you live?

Andy91 · 10-21-2009, 03:05 PM

kidney doctor?
Muscle enzymes?

not sure if srs...

jsands294 · 10-21-2009, 03:05 PM

lol, but 2nd post is right. only water lost. muscle will stay, but bye bye water :*(

zackcyr · 10-21-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy91

kidney doctor?
Muscle enzymes?

not sure if srs...

kidney specialist sound any better? idk other normal doctors i was seeing thought my kidneys were screwed up cuz of some things that showed up in blood tests, so they sent me to a specialist. And the muscle enzymes im sure is just a dumbed down version of somehting else he tells his patients

jsands294 · 10-21-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zackcyr

kidney specialist sound any better? idk other normal doctors i was seeing thought my kidneys were screwed up cuz of some things that showed up in blood tests, so they sent me to a specialist. And the muscle enzymes im sure is just a dumbed down version of somehting else he tells his patients

ya mean protease? breaks dowm protein but didnt know it could eat any ur muscles... im scarred!!!!

zackcyr · 10-21-2009, 03:12 PM

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ya mean protease? breaks dowm protein but didnt know it could eat any ur muscles... im scarred!!!!

haha aparently it can, i still dont quite understand it cuz my strength and size gains are still normal so i dont think it like melts muscle off

jsands294 · 10-21-2009, 03:23 PM

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haha aparently it can, i still dont quite understand it cuz my strength and size gains are still normal so i dont think it like melts muscle off

damn self killing body!
im the same as ya why he said stop but, id say ya would be fine without for awhile. maybe ya could go back onto it after some time.

zackcyr · 10-21-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jsands294

damn self killing body!
im the same as ya why he said stop but, id say ya would be fine without for awhile. maybe ya could go back onto it after some time.

yeah man idk, i mean theres still some creatine in Jack3d which i take preworkout, and im not getting rid of that, just gonna cut it post workout. But i go for another blood test around christmas time so i'll see whats happening then.

jsands294 · 10-21-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zackcyr

yeah man idk, i mean theres still some creatine in Jack3d which i take preworkout, and im not getting rid of that, just gonna cut it post workout. But i go for another blood test around christmas time so i'll see whats happening then.

yh defs should. but any turn for the worse, straight to the doctors to be sure ya aint doing anything major. ttyl away to bed lol.live in UK/ireland

zackcyr · 10-21-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jsands294

yh defs should. but any turn for the worse, straight to the doctors to be sure ya aint doing anything major. ttyl away to bed lol.live in UK/ireland

haha ok thanks bro

seanoh · 10-21-2009, 03:39 PM

he's done you a fovour in saving you $$

creatine is the most overrated sunbstance known to man

crunchfit · 10-21-2009, 03:44 PM

Tell him to go back to med school. That seriously sounds like a joke. ****ing idiot.

Legacy32 · 10-21-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seanoh

he's done you a fovour in saving you $$

creatine is the most overrated sunbstance known to man

i would argue that, it is over rated because it is not the miracle worker people *cough*celltech*cough* claim it to be but it is beneficial

jason92 · 10-21-2009, 04:09 PM

how much water were u drinking everyday?

crunchfit · 10-21-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Legacy32

i would argue that, it is over rated because it is not the miracle worker people *cough*celltech*cough* claim it to be but it is beneficial

^^^this

mikeccccc · 10-21-2009, 04:22 PM

did u tell him u were lifting heavy and engaging in hard phys activity? When muscles are worked they realise creatinine which is an indicator that muscles have been damaged.. It will always be high in a person who is lifting weights and creatine supplementation is not going to be a problem in majority of cases. I wont tell u to take it 'incase of underlying kidney strain i don't know about but i will say even medically trained proffessionals do not know a lot about supplementation. Many many studies show it to be safe and effective, just be sure ur drinking a lot of water with i to reduce strain on kidneys, ie more solvent to be filtered through

gekkoboy14 · 10-21-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zackcyr

So the kidney doctor told me blood is high in "muscle enzymes" which apparently indicates higher breakdown of muscle than he thinks is safe, so he told me i can stay with protein, but no creatine. Not happy about it at all, hopefully i dont lose a lot of size

Creatinine levels were prob high, which can mean a negative nitrogen balance, or sarcopenia. They are indirectly related, but ur fine.

zackcyr · 10-22-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jason92

how much water were u drinking everyday?

gallon off day, around 2 on days

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Originally Posted by mikeccccc

did u tell him u were lifting heavy and engaging in hard phys activity? When muscles are worked they realise creatinine which is an indicator that muscles have been damaged.. It will always be high in a person who is lifting weights and creatine supplementation is not going to be a problem in majority of cases. I wont tell u to take it 'incase of underlying kidney strain i don't know about but i will say even medically trained proffessionals do not know a lot about supplementation. Many many studies show it to be safe and effective, just be sure ur drinking a lot of water with i to reduce strain on kidneys, ie more solvent to be filtered through

yeah he realized that, thats what the first couple doctors were worried about but he says those levels are normal cuz im a bodybuilder. But apparently there was some other level that was too high even for a bodybuilder which is what got him worried.

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Creatinine levels were prob high, which can mean a negative nitrogen balance, or sarcopenia. They are indirectly related, but ur fine.

^^above