Questions about Muslim Heaven

[JellySausage]

We all are told that when you get to heaven as a muslim, you get 72 virgins.

So, my questions:

1) Are these virgins real female souls that were on earth?
2) Are they shared between muslims?
ie. There aren't 72x more virgins on earth than muslim men.
3) What do muslim women get as their eternal reward?

Thanks in advance, please correct me on my basic knowledge if I'm wrong.

[mjfan12]

Originally Posted by JellySausage

We all are told that when you get to heaven as a muslim, you get 72 virgins.

So, my questions:

1) Are these virgins real female souls that were on earth?
2) Are they shared between muslims?
ie. There aren't 72x more virgins on earth than muslim men.
3) What do muslim women get as their eternal reward?

Thanks in advance, please correct me on my basic knowledge if I'm wrong.

im no scholar but im thinking this vigin thing is not as literal as people believe. heaven is something we cant understand until we get there. so to describe it, i think they appealed to the only thing we can understand, our carnal desire.

think about it. if in heaven you dont need to eat, crap, or do any other limiting animalistic tendency, than why would you need to have sex? there is no purpose to it anymore.

sure maybe people want it still, but imo its not a major thing.



and thinking about the details is irrelevant, because you either are a believer or not. than if you are a believer you need to lead your life doing good and following the requirements.

and if you do end up in heaven, you can think about whatever.

if your an athiest, no point thinking about this stuff right?

[Soleh]

Originally Posted by JellySausage

We all are told that when you get to heaven as a muslim, you get 72 virgins.

So, my questions:

1) Are these virgins real female souls that were on earth?
2) Are they shared between muslims?
ie. There aren't 72x more virgins on earth than muslim men.
3) What do muslim women get as their eternal reward?

Thanks in advance, please correct me on my basic knowledge if I'm wrong.

Never heard anyhting about there being '72'. As far as i am a aware, the virgins of the hereafter will not be from from this life. God is the giver of life and thus will have no issue in creating partners for each mu'min.


With reagrd to q3, the women of this world who have been faithful will be seen as superior to these 'virgins' on the day of judgement. As they were given the chance engage in acts of ibadah (praise of god i.e salaah, fasting etc), they are considered more beatuiful than the virgins.

[jackfast1]

would the virgins be naked or in full muslim attire?

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by mjfan12

im no scholar but im thinking this vigin thing is not as literal as people believe. heaven is something we cant understand until we get there. so to describe it, i think they appealed to the only thing we can understand, our carnal desire.

think about it. if in heaven you dont need to eat, crap, or do any other limiting animalistic tendency, than why would you need to have sex? there is no purpose to it anymore.

these two statements are conflicting. In the first sentence, you claim that "heaven is something we cant understand". Then, in the second statement you claim knowledge of what we don't need to do in heaven. You should pick one of those positions and stick with it.

[Nagalfar]

[JolietKev]

Originally Posted by Nagalfar

Would be fitting

[Levrone147]

Originally Posted by JellySausage

We all are told that when you get to heaven as a muslim, you get 72 virgins.

So, my questions:

1) Are these virgins real female souls that were on earth?
2) Are they shared between muslims?
ie. There aren't 72x more virgins on earth than muslim men.
3) What do muslim women get as their eternal reward?

Thanks in advance, please correct me on my basic knowledge if I'm wrong.

1) No, they were created by God for the inhabitants of paradise
2) No, everyone gets there own set
3)It doesnt specify, but it should be clear that Paradise is the abode of happiness; all its dwellers, males or females, will be showered with Allah's blessings and favors. There is no discrimination in this regard between men and women. It is righteousness and good deeds that elevates one's rank in Jannah and exalts his/her position. In more than one Qur'anic verse, Allah, Most High, calls upon His servants to do their utmost in order to be favored with Paradise. For example, He says, (And vie one with another for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Paradise as wide as are the heavens and the earth, prepared for those who ward off (evil). ) (Aal `Imran 3: 133)

[balls2wall]

Muslims,

Do you believe the 72 virgins to be taken in a literal way, or do you see it as an analogy for great pleasures etc..?

[Levrone147]

Originally Posted by balls2wall

Muslims,

Do you believe the 72 virgins to be taken in a literal way, or do you see it as an analogy for great pleasures etc..?

I think both...for those that want 72 virgins they will get them...God willing if I make it to paradise, I just want my wife.

[MWarsame]

Originally Posted by balls2wall

Muslims,

Do you believe the 72 virgins to be taken in a literal way, or do you see it as an analogy for great pleasures etc..?

I see it as both. If you think about it, you can literally get what you wish for (even if you wish for 72 virgins).

[balls2wall]

Originally Posted by MWarsame

I see it as both. If you think about it, you can literally get what you wish for (even if you wish for 72 virgins).

How do you expect to experience 72 virgins within a completely spiritual realm?

Also, isn't Sex strictly for the purpose of indulgence and pleasure something viewed as the decay of morality?

Why is it any different in heaven, where there is absolutely no purpose for it other than animalistic pleasures?

So essentially we are tested down below with restraining from physical indulgence, only to be rewarded with physical pleasures and indulgence for passing?

Thoughts?

Thanks

[MWarsame]

Originally Posted by balls2wall

How do you expect to experience 72 virgins within a completely spiritual realm?

Also, isn't Sex strictly for the purpose of indulgence and pleasure something viewed as the decay of morality?

Why is it any different in heaven, where there is absolutely no purpose for it other than animalistic pleasures?

So essentially we are tested down below with restraining from physical indulgence, only to be rewarded with physical pleasures and indulgence for passing?

Thoughts?

Thanks

Heaven is beyond our understanding. So the only way to get us to understand heaven is to use earthy analogy. Muslims really don't see this 72 virgins as a great deal, other entities that are possible in heaven have greater value than the 72 virgins. You are right, sex is for pleasure and to reproduce, if done according to the laws and teachings of the Quran and the Prphet (PBUH) (I.e. only with your spouse, are legally married etc) then this isn't seen as a decay of morality. If however, this is accomplished via adultery or sex between non married couples, then this is a shatter of morality.

We are indeed tested to see if we are 100% committed to something we haven't seen and with every test, comes a reward. In this case (believing in religion), comes with the greatest reward and thats heaven.

[psamty]

Originally Posted by balls2wall

How do you expect to experience 72 virgins within a completely spiritual realm?

Also, isn't Sex strictly for the purpose of indulgence and pleasure something viewed as the decay of morality?

Why is it any different in heaven, where there is absolutely no purpose for it other than animalistic pleasures?

So essentially we are tested down below with restraining from physical indulgence, only to be rewarded with physical pleasures and indulgence for passing?

I agree, this makes no sense. It reduces life from an experiential playground in which one learns and rises spiritually to a simple test, after the passing of which one gets the very things that one restrained himself from for so long. So you build up self-control only to lose it in the end.

[Bahai.Lifter]

Damsels are just symbolic of the great joy and happiness a soul will experience in the next life if it walked in the ways of God in this life.

After death our bodies stay here and decay; only our souls (our true natures) ascend to the spiritual realm. There is no male/female in the next life as these are material things, and the next world (spiritual) is sanctified from the material.

If you want to read some more on this, you can see: http://info.bahai.org/article-1-4-5-2.html


Edit: No doubt certain followers of religion will interpret their scripture literally and actually believe there are material things in the next world (while material things are just symbolic of things which we cannot comprehend in the next life).

[zman155]

The Quran literally describes the word as Jannah and it says that we will be in a paradise in which rivers flow. I mean obviously if we wanted this in heaven we could have it but it is not meant to be taken as literal.

Heaven is so beyond the realm of all human comprehension that nothing we can ever imagine in this life will be able to compare to it. It is like trying to explain what color is to a person has been blind their whole life. So it can be taken literally and figuratively in depends on the way you want to see it.

[R0ck_S0lid]

72 virgins! Man, promising pussy in the afterlife is lowest thing I've ever heard in my life. I'm no Christian but I gotta respect Jesus for never saying anything like "Worship me and thou shall get laid"

Heaven in Islam= Eternal Fu*king (no alpha) LOL

[FormVoltron88]

Originally Posted by psamty

I agree, this makes no sense. It reduces life from an experiential playground in which one learns and rises spiritually to a simple test, after the passing of which one gets the very things that one restrained himself from for so long. So you build up self-control only to lose it in the end.

I think it makes sense that God would reward humans with the things that humans find pleasurable.

[psamty]

Originally Posted by FormVoltron88

I think it makes sense that God would reward humans with the things that humans find pleasurable.

Seems purposeless when he is doing that right here.

[FormVoltron88]

Originally Posted by psamty

Seems purposeless when he is doing that right here.

"Right here" is considered a test. You pass the test, you get rewarded, in a manner that is mostly unimaginable. However, God also reveals alittle of what is in store for those who pass, and the little that is revealed is the little that is more or less imaginable. They are things that are similar to things on Earth, that we all internally would love to have (e.g. comfort, delicious food, beautiful sights, sexual pleasures, beautiful gardens). However, these few rewards that are revealed by God are incomparable to anything on Earth. The comfort, food, sights, sexual pleasures (for instance the virgins - to keep in line with the thread topic), and the gardens are all incomparable to the comfort, food, sights, etc. we have on Earth.

So we are not denying the same things on Earth, to only experience them in paradise. Muslims restrain from worldly pleasures, to experience heavenly pleasures that are completely different to anything in this world. They are similar only in the manner, that they both have a capacity to please humans and are the creation of God.

Thats how I see it

[ThundaHawk]

Originally Posted by zman155

Heaven is so beyond the realm of all human comprehension that nothing we can ever imagine in this life will be able to compare to it. It is like trying to explain what color is to a person has been blind their whole life. So it can be taken literally and figuratively in depends on the way you want to see it.

If there is no point of reference how can anyone claim knowledge of heaven's nature?

How can you describe a rainbow to someone who cannot comprehend color?

[lilmanbigheart]

1. These are real women, who's beauty can not be imagined, a reward for the believers who gaurded there modesty in the life of this world.

2. No the women will only be specifically for the certain believer, she will love and care for no one else.

3. The Prophet peace be upon him said
"In heaven there is what no eye has ever seen, or what no ear has ever heard, or what no heart can even imagine"

The believing women get whatever they want, they want 72 men, go ahead, but the idea of having women in paradise is more appealing to men, hence it is mentioned as a reward for men.
Also in the arabic language the number 70 doesn't specifically mean 70 it just means a lot. For example "I told you a million times" I didn't really tell you a million, I just told you a lot.

Any man who says he does not want women is a liar. Heaven will be a place of all desires being fullfilled and more, much more. There is no sadness, no boredom, no sweating, no getting full, no using the bathroom. no being embarssed, no shyness, nothing. And one of the greatest desires of the human being is his sexual desires, he can fullfill it any way he wants and it will not be wrong. And God has prepared for the believers a great reward.

[Moh7]

isint that hadith non authentic?

[ThundaHawk]

Originally Posted by lilmanbigheart

Any man who says he does not want women is a liar. Heaven will be a place of all desires being fullfilled and more, much more. There is no sadness, no boredom, no sweating, no getting full, no using the bathroom. no being embarssed, no shyness, nothing. And one of the greatest desires of the human being is his sexual desires, he can fullfill it any way he wants and it will not be wrong. And God has prepared for the believers a great reward.

How can a man be expected to indulge his sexual desires (something that requires a physical form) in a realm where he is bodiless and has no physical form? How can he appreciate physical beauty in its most pristine form where nothing is physical?

[BAD_COMPANY]

So after you F her V what happens
A. She disappears and you have one less virgin
B. She magically becomes a virgin again
C. She disappears and you get a new virgin
D. She stays and isn't a virgin

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[SYRIANKID]

Originally Posted by JellySausage

We all are told that when you get to heaven as a muslim, you get 72 virgins.

So, my questions:

1) Are these virgins real female souls that were on earth?
2) Are they shared between muslims?
ie. There aren't 72x more virgins on earth than muslim men.
3) What do muslim women get as their eternal reward?

Thanks in advance, please correct me on my basic knowledge if I'm wrong.

1) No, they are people God creates in Heaven who had no former existence on Earth

2) No, they are not shared, that would be adultery

3) Women have the same rewards as men in Heaven, except that God doesn't mention multiple spouses for women.

The Messenger of God (pbuh) said:

The humblest of the People of Paradise in rank shall have seven levels and as he will be on the sixth, below the seventh, he will have three hundred servants, every morning and evening three hundred dishes of gold shall be brought before him, every dish carrying something the other does not. He will taste pleasure as sharply with the first dish as he will with the last. He shall say, "My Lord! If you gave me permission, I would feed all the people of Paradise and water them from what I have and nothing should go missing from it". He will most certainly have seventy-two wives from the wide-eyed maidens of Paradise, the couch of only one of whom is as wide as a square mile on earth.

More info about Islamic Heaven and Hell can be found here:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=968

[pikeamus]

Never understood why you'd want virgins. 72 young women with a good level of experience would be much more fun.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by MWarsame

I see it as both. If you think about it, you can literally get what you wish for (even if you wish for 72 virgins).

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[StevieMe]

That's a hell of a lot of blood. Do not want.

[lilmanbigheart]

Originally Posted by ThundaHawk

How can a man be expected to indulge his sexual desires (something that requires a physical form) in a realm where he is bodiless and has no physical form? How can he appreciate physical beauty in its most pristine form where nothing is physical?

who said there is nothing physical?? bodiless?