IFBB rules have changed - Page 4

littlearm · 10-20-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bbdude1988

I certainly remember B chic advocating something like that anyway

It wasn't so much that Bob C. wanted the posing round not to count for anything; he said that they should get rid of the "two shows in one day" set-up. It's a waste of time and energy having part of the contest in the morning, have everyone leave and then come back that night again.

I agree: either have the posing round count for something, or combine the prejudging and finals into one event. Let's assume that the posing round is "just for the fans". Well as a fan, I want to see my favorite bodybuilders looking their best. If the posing round doesn't count, they can do prejudging and then go out and eat 3 pizzas and chug a 6-pack. Who cares if they show up in the evening bloated and holding water? The judges don't, but we do.

mrusa85 · 10-20-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by littlearm

It wasn't so much that Bob C. wanted the posing round not to count for anything; he said that they should get rid of the "two shows in one day" set-up. It's a waste of time and energy having part of the contest in the morning, have everyone leave and then come back that night again.

I agree: either have the posing round count for something, or combine the prejudging and finals into one event. Let's assume that the posing round is "just for the fans". Well as a fan, I want to see my favorite bodybuilders looking their best. If the posing round doesn't count, they can do prejudging and then go out and eat 3 pizzas and chug a 6-pack. Who cares if they show up in the evening bloated and holding water? The judges don't, but we do.

But the posedown now has a significant impact in the scoring. If your favorite bodybulder is in the running, he isn't going to blow his conditioning before the final comparisons immediately before the posedown.

It seems people are forgetting that the comparisons are even done before the posedown. The judges compared Branch and Dexter right at the end and that was probably the deciding factor between 2nd and 3rd this year.

Not scoring the posing round will have little effect on the outcome of shows.

The posing hasn't improved since Ed Corney's era so how the posing round has been judged for 30-some years hasn't produced better posers. Better dancers maybe, but not better posers. (Rusty Jeffers is the only other guy out there with a classic style.)

Maybe the new rules will improve the posing and steer guys away from the dance routines...

Xscorpio · 10-20-2009, 01:55 PM

man seriously IFBB is always come up with some dumb things every now and then like this to hurt the sport. instead of going forward with the sport and the entertainment aspect of the sport they are now going backwards with this step.

i mean as a fan you want to see something different, and get entertain.

Black Hercules · 10-20-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CompetitiveGain

I hope most of the pros still come up with good routines for the fans anyway.

Why bother?

Sure they'll go through the motions, but most of them will probably save their energy for the scoring rounds. Which is definately a step backwards in entertainment value for the fans.

As if bodybuilding shows weren't boring enough...

Flex500 · 10-20-2009, 02:37 PM

do any of you realize the posing routine is NOT judged at NPC shows?

The only point of the posing routine is to show off your body in a way YOU want to...it should not be judged...how the hell do you even judge it anyway? They don't do it at NPC shows and there are plenty of innovative cool routines.

Daewoo_Lanos · 10-20-2009, 03:06 PM

all they need to do to keep the routines innovative is offer a best poser award at every show. ifbb pros have long proven they will do just about anything for money. even if it's only an extra 1k.

stealth_swimmer · 10-20-2009, 03:35 PM

I think these are great changes and help streamline the scores more.

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Originally Posted by KarateChris

WTF, the posing routine will no longer be scored? What's the incentive now to come up with a great posing routine? That really hurts Kai IMO.

Not sure I completely understand the prejudging scoring change..

No, actually it doesn't. The posing has NEVER been scored based on posing. It's always been scored as an extra physique round but one simply where people get to pose to their own routines. This is actually a good thing. As for incentive to have a good routine, people already know that finals can usually just changes you place by one or two spots, so the routine itself has never really held an incentive to make the athletes come up with a good routine.

If you wanted one, there could be prize money for best routines. It could be (just an example) 10,000 dollars for best routine, 5,000 dollars for 2nd best, and maybe 1,000 or 2,000 for 3rd best routine.

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Originally Posted by Flex500

do any of you realize the posing routine is NOT judged at NPC shows?

The only point of the posing routine is to show off your body in a way YOU want to...it should not be judged...how the hell do you even judge it anyway? They don't do it at NPC shows and there are plenty of innovative cool routines.

^^^What he said.

Gosu · 10-20-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex500

how the hell do you even judge it anyway?

this

its even more subjective than bodybuilding itself

its like choosing between mozart, rembrant and michael jordan

stealth_swimmer · 10-20-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gosu

this

its even more subjective than bodybuilding itself

its like choosing between mozart, rembrant and michael jordan

lol, great analogy.

TheStiffmeister · 10-20-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KarateChris

WTF, the posing routine will no longer be scored? What's the incentive now to come up with a great posing routine? That really hurts Kai IMO.

Not sure I completely understand the prejudging scoring change..

bc they are sick of the phaggot posing routines they are seeing on stage that make everyone uncomfortable.

the-craig · 10-20-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheStiffmeister

bc they are sick of the phaggot posing routines they are seeing on stage that make everyone uncomfortable.

I don't believe they ever said they were going to stop having them, just stop scoring them.
If they wanted to stop the gay as hell posing they would just send new set of rules to all competitors telling them no air humping and the likes.

Flex500 · 10-20-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheStiffmeister

bc they are sick of the phaggot posing routines they are seeing on stage that make everyone uncomfortable.

this isn't going to change that at all...in fact it often makes it worse. They can do the posing routine for PURELY entertainment purposes and don't have to worry about showing their physique to it's fullest. They can literally go crazy.

It's like the npc...the posing routine is not judged but they guys that can do crazy a*s routines.

goddessamazon · 10-20-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex500

this isn't going to change that at all...in fact it often makes it worse. They can do the posing routine for PURELY entertainment purposes and don't have to worry about showing their physique to it's fullest. They can literally go crazy.

It's like the npc...the posing routine is not judged but they guys that can do crazy a*s routines.

Agreed!

If you guys thought Kai's routine was "creative" you should check out the NPC shows down here in Atlanta. Those guys get up on stage and act a fool! Highly entertaining stuff! That's why the evening NPC shows down here sale out and the prejudging is basically empty.

Flex500 · 10-20-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by goddessamazon

Agreed!

If you guys thought Kai's routine was "creative" you should check out the NPC shows down here in Atlanta. Those guys get up on stage and act a fool! Highly entertaining stuff! That's why the evening NPC shows down here sale out and the prejudging is basically empty.

yup...you hit it right on the head. Not judging seems to bring MORE creativity. You can literally just "go nuts" onstage well I don't mean that too literally

Daewoo_Lanos · 10-20-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex500

You can literally just "go nuts" onstage well I don't mean that too literally

in b4 IFBB wardrobe malfunction.

littlearm · 10-20-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrusa85

But the posedown now has a significant impact in the scoring. If your favorite bodybulder is in the running, he isn't going to blow his conditioning before the final comparisons immediately before the posedown....

Not scoring the posing round will have little effect on the outcome of shows.

That's my point. If the posing round counts, the athletes will stay in condition. If it doesn't count, they are more likely to go to pot in the afternoon. (Or at least lose some conditioning.) It may not affect the outcome of the shows, but it WILL affect the quality of muscle on stage for the fans.

For a complete contest experience, a fan is expected to buy 2 tickets (prejudging and finals). If the posing round doesn't count for anything, then I'm buying a ticket to watch performances that don't affect the outcome, by athletes with less motivation to do anything interesting, who aren't in top condition. I might as well just go to the morning show and save money.

stealth_swimmer · 10-20-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by littlearm

That's my point. If the posing round counts, the athletes will stay in condition. If it doesn't count, they are more likely to go to pot in the afternoon. (Or at least lose some conditioning.) It may not affect the outcome of the shows, but it WILL affect the quality of muscle on stage for the fans.

For a complete contest experience, a fan is expected to buy 2 tickets (prejudging and finals). If the posing round doesn't count for anything, then I'm buying a ticket to watch performances that don't affect the outcome, by athletes with less motivation to do anything interesting, who aren't in top condition. I might as well just go to the morning show and save money.

uh...no. I don't think you get it. How do you think things worked before? As it was, finals STILL didn't radically change people's placings. Wherever you were stuck at prejudging, you were pretty much there for the rest of the show and it meant the finals were pretty much meaningless in terms of judging.

The way the new rules make it, the finals are now counted EQUALLY as the prejudging....it's just that the top 6 are the only ones that get rejudged at finals. However, I agree with what Bob said on PBW: i think that if the judges think certain guys came back looking really different then the judges should be able to compare them and bring them out and stand them next to each other and judge them again at finals as well.

littlearm · 10-20-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

uh...no. I don't think you get it. How do you think things worked before? As it was, finals STILL didn't radically change people's placings. Wherever you were stuck at prejudging, you were pretty much there for the rest of the show and it meant the finals were pretty much meaningless in terms of judging.

No, we're on the same page. I get it. I'm just combining information about the new rules with Bob's old notion that it's silly to have two separate events in one day to have to go to. Again, I'm NOT arguing that the placings will be any different with or without the new rules; I'm looking beyond that to brainstorm what other impacts there might be. (And as someone else pointed out, they already have this rule in NPC so it's not exactly brand new.)

stealth_swimmer · 10-20-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by littlearm

No, we're on the same page. I get it. I'm just combining information about the new rules with Bob's old notion that it's silly to have two separate events in one day to have to go to. Again, I'm NOT arguing that the placings will be any different with or without the new rules; I'm looking beyond that to brainstorm what other impacts there might be. (And as someone else pointed out, they already have this rule in NPC so it's not exactly brand new.)

ah ok, i think i see what you're sayin

Flex500 · 10-21-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by littlearm

That's my point. If the posing round counts, the athletes will stay in condition. If it doesn't count, they are more likely to go to pot in the afternoon. (Or at least lose some conditioning.) It may not affect the outcome of the shows, but it WILL affect the quality of muscle on stage for the fans.

For a complete contest experience, a fan is expected to buy 2 tickets (prejudging and finals). If the posing round doesn't count for anything, then I'm buying a ticket to watch performances that don't affect the outcome, by athletes with less motivation to do anything interesting, who aren't in top condition. I might as well just go to the morning show and save money.

no it won't....just like at NPC shows they guys often look the same or better at the night show.

Everyone is WAY overreating. The athletes will still look great and have innovative routines.

worker07 · 10-21-2009, 10:36 AM

In light of this new rule, I'm making a pitch for someone to come out in a clown suit and smoke a cigarette during next year's posing round. I'd also like to see two of the competitors come out at the same time in pirate outfits and have a sword fight. I think that would contribute greatly to the entertainment value of the Olympia.

Gosu · 10-21-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by worker07

In light of this new rule, I'm making a pitch for someone to come out in a clown suit and smoke a cigarette during next year's posing round. I'd also like to see two of the competitors come out at the same time in pirate outfits and have a sword fight. I think that would contribute greatly to the entertainment value of the Olympia.

hahaaha lol