should i cut or should i keep workingout?

[jShock]

Originally Posted by skillzV

hi everyone

i was just thinking about cutting down on the weight than building muscle, because some people say that cardio wears down your Muscle! and i also know that FAT turns into muscle.

what should i do first? or does it even matter?

i took 2 pics to see what you experts have to say, because i don't want to be doing it wrong and end up with no results

Originally Posted by th3pwn3r

Please, feel free to point out his classic mistakes so us helpful and retarded members can be more informed on how trolls operate.

i said helpful OR retarded

Secondly, I do believe I spoke too soo. After reading ops other threads it seems like this would be too much work to appear authentic....i retract my previous troll accusation.

[th3pwn3r]

Originally Posted by jShock

i said helpful OR retarded

Secondly, I do believe I spoke too soo. After reading ops other threads it seems like this would be too much work to appear authentic....i retract my previous troll accusation.

I know what you said haha.

[MadeUnderground]

Originally Posted by skillzV

hi everyone

i was just thinking about cutting down on the weight than building muscle, because some people say that cardio wears down your Muscle! and i also know that FAT turns into muscle.

what should i do first? or does it even matter?

i took 2 pics to see what you experts have to say, because i don't want to be doing it wrong and end up with no results

If I were you brah, I would cut a little first. Get down to at least 15% and then start bulking.
I really don't think you have all that much muscle to worry about losing at the moment, so just go ahead and get that %s of body fat down a little then go for the bulk.
Keep lifting heavy though 3x a week and do some light cardio. You'll gain a bit of muscle even though you're cutting if you're a noob lifter.

Btw, we're the same height! Woohoo!

Originally Posted by th3pwn3r

I don't care about being big if I'm big and fat and not big and lean.

x2 for me.

[FunAndSun]

Whatever brah.

[Dawnbringer]

I say try to mass up, because you can get heavier lifts in with a higher body weight. When it comes time to bulk up, you are most likely going to need to eat for size concidering you don't have a massive foundation to build off of. If you cut down to a low body fat %, its going to be frusterating trying to bulk up while trying to stay lean. You are going to need to be a lot more disciplined with your dieting trying to bulk while maintaining a lower body fat. Bulking up on low carbs and calories is something you aren't going to enjoy trying to do. Eating for size is a great way to turn into a massive wrecking ball, and since you haven't started cutting, i'd recommend using this opportunity as a means to put on some serious size, so when you cut you come in at a lean, but with a nice muscular build. Not sure if its true..but "they" say you burn more calories when you have more muscle mass. I'd say its easier to cut weight being big, than gain weight staying super lean. Just an opinion tho.

[FunAndSun]

Originally Posted by Dawnbringer

I say try to mass up, because you can get heavier lifts in with a higher body weight. When it comes time to bulk up, you are most likely going to need to eat for size concidering you don't have a massive foundation to build off of. If you cut down to a low body fat %, its going to be frusterating trying to bulk up while trying to stay lean. You are going to need to be a lot more disciplined with your dieting trying to bulk while maintaining a lower body fat. Bulking up on low carbs and calories is something you aren't going to enjoy trying to do. Eating for size is a great way to turn into a massive wrecking ball, and since you haven't started cutting, i'd recommend using this opportunity as a means to put on some serious size, so when you cut you come in at a lean, but with a nice muscular build. Not sure if its true..but "they" say you burn more calories when you have more muscle mass. I'd say its easier to cut weight being big, than gain weight staying super lean. Just an opinion tho.

WTF?!

No, just no.

[ZidaneValor]

[th3pwn3r]

^That picture sucks because it doesn't say LEAN MASS =/ Mass can mean pure fat.

[Dawnbringer]

Originally Posted by th3pwn3r

^That picture sucks because it doesn't say LEAN MASS =/ Mass can mean pure fat.

Agreed, I am a bulky mthrfkr, but appears bigger cuz the body fat on top of the muscle >.<....

[ZidaneValor]

Originally Posted by th3pwn3r

^That picture sucks because it doesn't say LEAN MASS =/ Mass can mean pure fat.

It's implied.

[trance__dreamer]

Originally Posted by th3pwn3r

Are you kidding? Does anyone ever have sex or wear something other than a sweater? Anyhow, usually a lean mid-section comes with lean arms, legs, shoulders back and even a good chiseled chest. Just because someone has a focus doesn't mean they won't obtain multiple things along the way.

I really think it's kind of silly for someone with lots of fat(over 10% in my opinion) to start bulking. You'll go from looking alright to looking worse with more body fat that MAY come from bulking. Also, it's pretty wise to keep in mind that you can cut body fat down at a much faster rate in terms of weight than you can gain muscle mass. You can create a better look in a shorter period of time from cutting than you could bulking up.

OP: It looks like you've bulked enough by the way, it's time to get lean. Then CLEAN bulk and lean out again, good luck.

i know, pwn3r. i know. but i was kinda exaggerating a little bit to make everyone feel better.
as i mentioned in another thread, we look better than everyone else out there, anyway. so, carrying around a little extra over the winter is...meh.

[skillzV]

Originally Posted by MadeUnderground

If I were you brah, I would cut a little first. Get down to at least 15% and then start bulking.
I really don't think you have all that much muscle to worry about losing at the moment, so just go ahead and get that %s of body fat down a little then go for the bulk.
Keep lifting heavy though 3x a week and do some light cardio. You'll gain a bit of muscle even though you're cutting if you're a noob lifter.

Btw, we're the same height! Woohoo!



x2 for me.

yeah! 5.5 ftw!

the hardiest thing for me to right now is eating right but i will try my hardest to do itt!

since its almost halloween I'll be eating more candy than handing them out hahha j/p..

i have been working out for a week

eating 2 granola bar and drinking protein shakes in the morning about 48 grams..

than hitting the weights for about 1 hour...after that i run for about 20min on the treadmill.

and thats it

is that good enough? or do i have to do better than that?

[SUPERM4N]

Perma-bulking is a chronic condition, definitely cut.

[MadeUnderground]

Originally Posted by skillzV

yeah! 5.5 ftw!

the hardiest thing for me to right now is eating right but i will try my hardest to do itt!

since its almost halloween I'll be eating more candy than handing them out hahha j/p..

i have been working out for a week

eating 2 granola bar and drinking protein shakes in the morning about 48 grams..

than hitting the weights for about 1 hour...after that i run for about 20min on the treadmill.

and thats it

is that good enough? or do i have to do better than that?

You don't have to do cardio after you lift weights, you can do that on a separate day. But if you feel up to it, by all means, just don't want you to get burned out.

Try walking at a 15% incline on the treadmill for 15 minutes after weights, I dare ya! I still have trouble running it the whole time.

What are your macros and daily caloric requirements?

[th3pwn3r]

Originally Posted by trance__dreamer

i know, pwn3r. i know. but i was kinda exaggerating a little bit to make everyone feel better.
as i mentioned in another thread, we look better than everyone else out there, anyway. so, carrying around a little extra over the winter is...meh.

You're right but comparing ourselves to other people out there is pretty fail. Most people are pretty out of shape and don't even attempt to take care of themselves, my only concern is to improve myself in any way, shape and form on a daily basis Believe me guys, I can't wait to add inches to my sleeve busters but it's going to take a looong time for me to have 20'' biceps. Hopefully in 5 years I'll be there.

[skillzV]

Originally Posted by MadeUnderground

You don't have to do cardio after you lift weights, you can do that on a separate day. But if you feel up to it, by all means, just don't want you to get burned out.

Try walking at a 15% incline on the treadmill for 15 minutes after weights, I dare ya! I still have trouble running it the whole time.

What are your macros and daily caloric requirements?

2170 Calories/day

i don't know about my macros tho

[Mr.Next in Line]

Originally Posted by phal

Well, you have the Light and the Dark side, one has Luke Sky...

Oh wait...

Nvm.

lmao,,ah man thats funny,lol

[th3pwn3r]

Originally Posted by Mr.Next in Line

lmao,,ah man thats funny,lol

I somehow missed that. =/

[MadeUnderground]

Originally Posted by skillzV

2170 Calories/day

i don't know about my macros tho

What the hell? Why on earth are you eating 2170 calories a day if you are cutting? Are you losing 1-2 pounds a week?
I eat a ****ova lot less than that and I'm pretty certain I have more muscle than you, but you may have a faster metabolism than I do.

Just watch the scale closely because I have a feeling you'll probably have to lower that.

[skillzV]

Originally Posted by MadeUnderground

What the hell? Why on earth are you eating 2170 calories a day if you are cutting? Are you losing 1-2 pounds a week?
I eat a ****ova lot less than that and I'm pretty certain I have more muscle than you, but you may have a faster metabolism than I do.

Just watch the scale closely because I have a feeling you'll probably have to lower that.

i used a caloric calculator and that what it says

i don't think i eat that much hahha

[MadeUnderground]

Originally Posted by skillzV

i used a caloric calculator and that what it says

i don't think i eat that much hahha

For our height? I doubt it.

If I were you, start with 1800 and check your results in 1-2 weeks. Although I have a feeling you'll have to drop it even more, but you may be lucky.

I have to drop mine to 1,000-1,100 before I continued losing. At 1800-1700 I lost a little but then it stopped.
1800-1900 is about maintenance for me.

Becareful dude, if you decide to stick with what it says, just watch the scale. Those caloric calculators are an extremely rough guide at best.

[RaginAzN]

Just like most people in here says cut and at the same time keep working out, well that's what I did anyways I was 160 starting and 160 present but a lot leaner my strength and muscle didn't deplete...

[lordsnow]

Originally Posted by ZidaneValor

Alchemy was disproven hundreds of years ago. Things don't just turn into other things.

Dammit , and I wanted to turn all this lead I have here in to gold..........

[th3pwn3r]

Originally Posted by MadeUnderground

For our height? I doubt it.

If I were you, start with 1800 and check your results in 1-2 weeks. Although I have a feeling you'll have to drop it even more, but you may be lucky.

I have to drop mine to 1,000-1,100 before I continued losing. At 1800-1700 I lost a little but then it stopped.
1800-1900 is about maintenance for me.

Becareful dude, if you decide to stick with what it says, just watch the scale. Those caloric calculators are an extremely rough guide at best.

Semi-good advice.

[MadeUnderground]

Originally Posted by th3pwn3r

Semi-good advice.

YES! Th3pwn3r thinks I gave out semi-good advice. Now my life is complete.


So what was semi-bad about it?

[Nutshell20]

For me, cutting lead to abs which was all the motivation I've ever needed to get and stay lean.

[skillzV]

alright i am gonna start cutting as of tommorow!

i usually go to the gym at 10:00am at the latest

man coming from an asian family i always eat rice and fried food lol! its really damn hard! to cut weight.

i was wondering if anyone can post there nutritional meal plan

starting from breakfast to dinner

[MadeUnderground]

Originally Posted by skillzV

alright i am gonna start cutting as of tommorow!

i usually go to the gym at 10:00am at the latest

man coming from an asian family i always eat rice and fried food lol! its really damn hard! to cut weight.

i was wondering if anyone can post there nutritional meal plan

starting from breakfast to dinner

Well, I imagine I wouldn't be much help to you. I'm a raw foodist. I eat 95% unprocessed, uncooked foods.
The 2% being from my weight gain supp and creatine. 3% from 2 cooked meals on the weekend.

I feel great though. If you can pull it off, you'll feel awesome.

I still eat meat too. Don't have to be vegetarian/vegan to be a raw foodist.

[th3pwn3r]

Originally Posted by MadeUnderground

YES! Th3pwn3r thinks I gave out semi-good advice. Now my life is complete.


So what was semi-bad about it?

I only said semi because you gave a guess for caloric intake and said to watch the scale =/ Both of those can allow for failure. They can also work on the flip-side.

[bambam2008]

Originally Posted by MadeUnderground

For our height? I doubt it.

If I were you, start with 1800 and check your results in 1-2 weeks. Although I have a feeling you'll have to drop it even more, but you may be lucky.

I have to drop mine to 1,000-1,100 before I continued losing. At 1800-1700 I lost a little but then it stopped.
1800-1900 is about maintenance for me.

Becareful dude, if you decide to stick with what it says, just watch the scale. Those caloric calculators are an extremely rough guide at best.

1,000 - 1,100 that's extremly low for me. I cut at around 2,200 & I eat plenty of rice!!!

OP I guess try 1,800 - 2,000 and check again in 5+ weeks, I did not see any results at all until the 5th week. GL